Dungeon ni Hisomu Yandere na Kanojo ni Ore wa Nando mo Korosareru - Vol. 1 Ch. 3

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Chapter 3 and still no yanderes, I'm not complaining though, the story of just this guy has been pretty compelling so far, to the point I wonder about the shift when the girls do show up.
 
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Honestly, people here calling him a dumbass for taking 500 tries without taking into account that he's gradually losing his mind. Hell, I bet he hasn't even properly slept, eaten, drank, or even pissed. At that point, he doesn't want to waste his attempt trying something new, he just wants to get out of the hellish death cycle ASAP, just sticking to what he knows could work and just improving upon every run.
I agree. I mean I get stressed out when someone eats the special pudding I always try to hide. I can't even imagine the mental toll this would take on a person. Most would give up and make a instakill death save so they wouldn't need to be in constant pain.
 
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People may be calling him stupid for a number of reasons. Here are the reasons I might question his intellect a little:
1. He never tried his major skill, the save & reset one. He kept it on the original save & reset that took him all the way back to the beginning when he first died to the bug bear. To be fair, and someone already pointed this out, @Dipuc4Life, the lady who gave him that skill didn't explain it properly. She just disappeared, but I'd argue that he never tried it at all. He just didn't turn it off. He didn't investigate it at all like he did the other skills in the treasure room.
2. This is more the author's fault than the mc, but the author obviously wanted to give him the provoke skill, but it's impossible some of the skills in that list wouldn't have gotten him out of that situation and the provoke one did. But the fact it took him 500+ deaths because he kept using several skills over and over again is likely another reason people are questioning his intelligence.
3. MC never thought to NOT go in the treasure room and select from the skills when he learned it was a trap. No, he kept doing it over and over and over again. He didn't explore any other paths other than going straight to the treasure room to get a skill and thus continuously spring the trap, leading to his death.
Because he tries multiples skills multiples times. He quickly drops the skill that hide him since he needs to fight right away, but he tries several combats skills and physical enhancement too. He didn't give up on a skill because he dies once or twice. He tries until he understood the skill enough to learn that will not help him.
  • Like acceleration, he could easily dodge, but he became easily tired after uses.
  • Martial art was useless because he lacks the basic strength for it
  • Physical enhancement work better than the others, but that make more resilient, meaning his death were more brutal since he didn't lose consciousness like before, feel the pain more and more traumatic by extension. But it was still his best bet until provocation.
In the book, it tries every single skills that he can use right away. He drops skills that demand for a specific weapon or magic because he doesn't have any, and tries everything else.
@Kingdo, when he was using martial arts, like you said, he used a physical enhancement and body strengthening skill, so he didn't lack basic strength for it. He had it through the skills. The martial arts and physical enhancement and/or body strengthening didn't work because he gave up when he saw it would take 100 SP to level up one skill after killing a bugbear. He didn't even try at that point after successfully killing one of the bugbears, he just quit and let himself get piled on.

Overall, I think the problem with MC's intelligence being and continuing to be an issue is because the author is going to force certain things to go certain ways to get a MC build the author wants. We saw that with the provoke skill. Suddenly all of the bugbears became stupid. Slamming into walls, hitting each other, etc. when no provoke skill in any game I know of works that way. One of the bug bears should've at least got a hit on MC since he was the one provoking them and was the target of their rage. That whole thing didn't make sense. None of the other skills worked, but that one somehow did by way of author god powers.
 
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I can read some of these manga with stupid protagonists, but this just beyond anything else. I can't continue with this shit. These 3 chapters could have been put into a single one.
I read some of the WN chapters that were translated, it was even worse. They condensed like 9 chapters down into this one.
 
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It's quite entertaining to read so many people talk about the guy being stupid. It's like a "look at me, I'm the one who's actually stupid" declaration. Because when you actually think about it, everything the MC is going through make sense.

When people then point out that oh, the manga doesn't give enough information....it's another own goal. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate what he's doing by testing skills. Does one really need to be spoonfed everything that happens and everything the MC is thinking?

The best was someone commenting the MC is stupid for....not going crazy and losing his sanity? Huh? I think some of you are bandwagoning so hard on this "MC is stupid" train, you're just copying talking points you don't even remotely understand....
 
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The best was someone commenting the MC is stupid for....not going crazy and losing his sanity? Huh? I think some of you are bandwagoning so hard on this "MC is stupid" train, you're just copying talking points you don't even remotely understand....
All those people trashtalking. If they ever saw a single Bugbear in reality, they'd shit their pants 100%!
 
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People may be calling him stupid for a number of reasons. Here are the reasons I might question his intellect a little:
1. He never tried his major skill, the save & reset one. He kept it on the original save & reset that took him all the way back to the beginning when he first died to the bug bear. To be fair, and someone already pointed this out, @Dipuc4Life, the lady who gave him that skill didn't explain it properly. She just disappeared, but I'd argue that he never tried it at all. He just didn't turn it off. He didn't investigate it at all like he did the other skills in the treasure room.
2. This is more the author's fault than the mc, but the author obviously wanted to give him the provoke skill, but it's impossible some of the skills in that list wouldn't have gotten him out of that situation and the provoke one did. But the fact it took him 500+ deaths because he kept using several skills over and over again is likely another reason people are questioning his intelligence.
3. MC never thought to NOT go in the treasure room and select from the skills when he learned it was a trap. No, he kept doing it over and over and over again. He didn't explore any other paths other than going straight to the treasure room to get a skill and thus continuously spring the trap, leading to his death.
To answer this questions :
  1. Yep, indeed. And he will won't do it. He doesn't have a clue of how it works, and it's never mentioned since where I am in the book.
  2. There is a misunderstanding here about the 500+ death. First, it's a count he started after a few deaths already, and sometimes he loses it, so it's an approximate number. And it's a count that take everything. Not just the chest area. That includes the part where he was fighting the first bear and when he tries avoiding the trap. And since he reloads in front of the first bear each time, he still dies from it or from a bad reception after his jump before arriving to the chest area too.
  3. He did, but he couldn't. He only had one corridor after the first bear that end up with a cross path with a dead end on one side and a trap on the other side that he just don't jump far enough to avoid and trigger each time. He tries finding an issue in the chest area, but the only door is sealed. He assumed that this is a test or a trap, and he couldn't escape without fighting the 10 bears.
@Kingdo, when he was using martial arts, like you said, he used a physical enhancement and body strengthening skill, so he didn't lack basic strength for it. He had it through the skills. The martial arts and physical enhancement and/or body strengthening didn't work because he gave up when he saw it would take 100 SP to level up one skill after killing a bugbear. He didn't even try at that point after successfully killing one of the bugbears, he just quit and let himself get piled on.
He did lack basic strength for the martial art. He didn't have the physical enhancement skill anymore, since his skill reset after reload. What he uses was his own version of physical enhancement that he learn to uses after multiples tries and error. He started to understand how the skill work and tries to mimic it, to some extends he success.
He tries 2 physical enhancement skills, one that gave all power to one party of his body and one that add more overall. He remembers the sensation and mimic it. But the skill itself give him a real boost of strength, while all he can mimic is how to manage what strength he has right now.

He abandons the martial art for strength management purposes, he understood how much point he needs to upgrade the skill and know that he didn't have the stamina to keep up. A lot of skills could have been the solution, but he lacks the strength and stamina to keep up each time. He abandoned acceleration skill for the same reason.

Overall, I think the problem with MC's intelligence being and continuing to be an issue is because the author is going to force certain things to go certain ways to get a MC build the author wants. We saw that with the provoke skill. Suddenly all of the bugbears became stupid. Slamming into walls, hitting each other, etc. when no provoke skill in any game I know of works that way. One of the bug bears should've at least got a hit on MC since he was the one provoking them and was the target of their rage. That whole thing didn't make sense. None of the other skills worked, but that one somehow did by way of author god powers.
The provoke skill made the bear attack or charge at the protagonist blindly. It's not that the bear suddenly become stupid, the protagonist put himself in front of walls or other bear to make them fight each others and hurt themselves. And he didn't win the first try either. But he clearly sends more bear to heaven, way more easily than any other's skill until now.
 

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