E, Shanai System Subete Wan'ope shiteiru Watashi wo Kaiko desu ka? - Vol. 2 Ch. 13

[Ceiye]

It really fucking sucks that being a programmer implies you got to devote all your time to doing programming stuff, otherwise the people who genuinely don't have anything else besides programming look at you like you aren't even even trying to take it seriously

 

[Liar]

Not going to lie, I learned how to do some basic programming because I got frustrated by some game mods not being fixed and so I decided to fix it myself.

 

[Amariithynar]

People like this, who have meandered their way through life without knuckling down and putting in the effort, need a harsh awakening. Regardless of how smart or talented they are. Becoming an adult is about sacrificing your time and money to improve yourself, because only then can you be resilient enough to take on responsibility. If something unexpected happens, be it a pandemic, or a sudden death of a loved one, or a natural disaster, you should aim to have the assets, knowledge, and experience to be relied upon by those around you.

So, to sacrifice time and money to improve yourself, you need time and money to sacrifice, which means you need a job that provides sufficient money without impinging on your time so much that you have none with which to improve yourself with, so you can get a job that provides more money in less time, and so on and so forth. So it still needs that starting point of support to move on from there.

 

[Alcion]

Not going to lie, I learned how to do some basic programming because I got frustrated by some game mods not being fixed and so I decided to fix it myself.

lol purer reason than me.
I learned about hex editing like 20+years ago because I wanted to cheat at games.

 

[saredesu]

Er, no? He's not wrong, the customer came to the wrong school. It's in the flyer. It's his own damn fault triggering his own trauma🤣
Just go to a different school lol

I'm so pissed because this guy so dumb. Author could just continue the failing company plot, but nooooo. Also what's wrong wanting to get on the easy road, so much for career advancement they wring you dry yet you have nothing. Just lonely 30s with failing health

If you really want to learn from scratch, there is YouTube. Or try your hands on game engines like rpgmaker and renpy (finishing them is another matter, we don't talk about it 🤣)

 

[Koikoi]

From the flow. Maybe she'll teach him how to use middle ware which requires very little coding skill

 

[feha]

Wanting to get on programming in order to impress your mom, is corny, but as far as reasons for getting into programming that's not even a bad one

There's probably people right now in this very comment section that got into programming just to scam people with crypto, and who will still fight you on it not being a scam

Never touched crypto (that is half of a lie - I got some dogecoin for my placement in a smash bros tournament once, less than 1 usd worth (2k doge) just because the arranger wanted to meme and printed funny "fake fake money" bills with the Token on it. Haven't bothered to figure out how to extract the money from it though), nor nft, but just saying, the technology itself is not a scam.

Crypto is a lottery that is somehow more lottery than the stocks.
Also great way to launder your money... I would expect stocks to be as well? But maybe not?

NFT is one of the oldest ideas ever, predating even computers or electricity. And I have no idea why it suddenly became so hype and considered a scam - after all, it literally means "receipt" (best comparison is a Postal Stamp, being a receipt for buying the service of mailing the attached letter) and I get receipts from my grocery store all the time without being scammed.

As always, the way people use the concepts is what is a scam. And I will never understand the PR-ppl who decided it is a good idea to use a cryptocurrency as a database for their new game (to be exact, it could make sense if you absolutely can't host your own, as a form of free "cloud" backend. But the cases I heard of were big companies that absolutely can, and were going to have a regular db too, for other sutff...).

 

[feha]

Er, no? He's not wrong, the customer came to the wrong school. It's in the flyer. It's his own damn fault triggering his own trauma🤣
Just go to a different school lol

You are forgetting they already said "ok, we will admit him despite him being an absolute amateur" to the guy who visited beforehand, to see if it is actually ok.

 

[saredesu]

You are forgetting they already said "ok, we will admit him despite him being an absolute amateur" to the guy who visited beforehand, to see if it is actually ok.

But it turned out not ok, so gtfo

 

[InsaneAwesomeTony]

Please let this have a happy ending...
Thanks for the chapter 🙏🏼❤️

 

[DesertStorm]

It really fucking sucks that being a programmer implies you got to devote all your time to doing programming stuff, otherwise the people who genuinely don't have anything else besides programming look at you like you aren't even even trying to take it seriously

Isn't that just normal? You have to be constantly aware of the changes happening in the industry especially in the languages and frameworks you're working on. It's going to make development easy in the long run.

Programming isn't like carpentry because you have to constantly evolve and adapt your skills based on the tools that are also being continuously developed.

 

[velatic]

well this chapter really hit very close to home for me

 

[Ceiye]

Isn't that just normal? You have to be constantly aware of the changes happening in the industry especially in the languages and frameworks you're working on. It's going to make development easy in the long run.

Programming isn't like carpentry because you have to constantly evolve and adapt your skills based on the tools that are also being continuously developed.

Yeah I guess, the problem is that the "baseline" is devoting all your time to it and having very little time or energy to having literally any other interests or skills, just for an industry that will throw you out if you didn't make any world changing achievements by the time you're 40 (or, evidently in this manga, even if you do). Either you make it or you don't and become someone who doesn't have any other skills or things in your life. Not to say that other industries don't suffer from this (it's truly systemic), but it's just so much more cutthroat in development

 

[DesertStorm]

Yeah I guess, the problem is that the "baseline" is devoting all your time to it and having very little time or energy to having literally any other interests or skills, just for an industry that will throw you out if you didn't make any world changing achievements by the time you're 40 (or, evidently in this manga, even if you do). Either you make it or you don't and become someone who doesn't have any other skills or things in your life. Not to say that other industries don't suffer from this (it's truly systemic), but it's just so much more cutthroat in development

I definitely agree with you on this aside from the age part. That's why I self-study during company time after I finish my tasks ahead of schedule.

I think the age factor is more heavily dependent on your country's work culture. Japan or any Asian society that heavily relies on that has a face culture which they consider for employment.

 

[74HC595]

So, to sacrifice time and money to improve yourself, you need time and money to sacrifice, which means you need a job that provides sufficient money without impinging on your time so much that you have none with which to improve yourself with, so you can get a job that provides more money in less time, and so on and so forth. So it still needs that starting point of support to move on from there.

I don’t think there’s anyone out there with no time or money, except maybe overburdened single parents with large families, but modern welfare schemes are usually pretty generous in that kind of circumstance. If you have time and no money, you have to venture out into the world, take a risk by putting yourself out there. Work a crummy wage at an unskilled job with bad hours if you have to, that’s just the first step in the ladder of self-improvement. Even part time on minimum wage while living in an expensive city I was making appreciable savings, I can’t see why anyone else couldn’t. If you can rely on the resilient adults around you, you might not have to work part-time for study at all. These days you can get a student loan for study and living costs, computer science at a community college would probably pay itself back in under 5 years. A trade like plumbing would be pretty quick too.

At the very least, this character is in a position where he could probably have his living costs paid for him in order to further this career.

 

[quagzlor]

It really fucking sucks that being a programmer implies you got to devote all your time to doing programming stuff, otherwise the people who genuinely don't have anything else besides programming look at you like you aren't even even trying to take it seriously

honestly? you really don't.
yes, you need some level of internship or personal/college projects, but that's at the same level of an artist having a portfolio.
you don't need to be constantly doing stuff on your own time, you just need to keep an ear out for developments in the industry, and maybe read up a bit on new techniques in your specialisation.

i'm a machine learning engineer at one of the larger companies in Japan, and my free time is mostly spent on my hobbies. getting in wasn't easy, but because i had internships from my time in college and projects from my college courses, it backed up my skills.

but that's what it took for one of the most competitive positions rn, in a competitive space, in a desirable company.
if you want to do web development, just having one or two websites you've made as a showcase is enough.

learning web dev will take some time, sure, but making such a website is something you can do in a week, if you give a few hours every day. that's from scratch, mind you. ideally you'd make them while learning. once you have the skills, you'd at most need to brush up on new frameworks as they become popular, and only if your company asks you to.

the number one thing i've seen in folks who say they want to learn programming is that they just don't follow through. that's not to say there aren't possible reasons for that, sure, there may be many valid reasons.

but so many times they say they're interested, i offer to help them out, point them to resources, tell them i'm there if they have doubts, and then they just don't try.

the guy in the manga literally just need to look up a video on youtube, and follow it to start. if he'd done even some basics, then the agency could have some base to start. it's like saying you want to build a house, and you haven't even thought about what kind of house, or where, and going to a labour company and wanting to hire them.

 

[Grye]

there's no fixing it

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

He's not wrong though, I'm pretty sure you can learn how to program on youtube

You def can, but the dude doesn't really want to so

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

People like this, who have meandered their way through life without knuckling down and putting in the effort, need a harsh awakening. Regardless of how smart or talented they are. Becoming an adult is about sacrificing your time and money to improve yourself, because only then can you be resilient enough to take on responsibility. If something unexpected happens, be it a pandemic, or a sudden death of a loved one, or a natural disaster, you should aim to have the assets, knowledge, and experience to be relied upon by those around you.

While all of this is sensible advice in an off itself, you're clearly parroting Jordan Peterson and the other "get your shit in order" right-wing crew. Again, nothing wrong with the message itself, everyone needs to show a certain level or responsibility as an adult, but the real message hidden behind these "do better" narratives is basically the libertarian fallacy: everyone is lazy and that's why my taxes are too high.
I'd also point out that while sensible, this kind of advice is often taken way too far. No thank you, I won't dedicate my life to preparing for a "pandemic, or a sudden death of a loved one, or a natural disaster". Life is meant to be lived, not spent grinding and then being angry that everyone else isn't as miserable as you.

 

[Tsukikira]

the number one thing i've seen in folks who say they want to learn programming is that they just don't follow through. that's not to say there aren't possible reasons for that, sure, there may be many valid reasons.

but so many times they say they're interested, i offer to help them out, point them to resources, tell them i'm there if they have doubts, and then they just don't try.

Fully agree with this. That's not to say there are not pitfalls in trying to learn via YouTube (If you don't understand programming concepts at all, the underlying information can be difficult to find in a proper forum on YouTube.
But most of the time, when I hear someone want to learn programming, even when I point them to resources, usually what I hear is procrastination. And to be fair, there are many reasons for that procrastination, usually time and/or energy based. There are things I've put off doing for months myself, I get it. Still, if you want a job doing X... there's only 2,500 weeks in your adult life on average, so better start spending the weekends learning and making a basic portfolio.