E, Shanai System Subete Wan'ope shiteiru Watashi wo Kaiko desu ka? - Vol. 2 Ch. 14

[Aliamus]

 

[MagnaDrake]

She is right but not right too. It goes against the boss' intention to make school for mid-tier programmer who stuck in a rut. It's good as manga plot tho. But in reality it may cause every dumb newbie coming expecting to be taught from scratch, when the boss actually want to teach the cool stuff to people who can understand it.

Considering the problem for this guy, who actually want people to meet up for programming, maybe they can capitalise this by making Grindr for programmers

Teach him the basics, but ONLY the basics, for a day. Dont charge him, and dont teach him more than that, then send him back home.

A week later he can come back and perfectly say "yeah i have a bit of experience", then take him up as normal course student.

 

[Amariithynar]

I think she's got a point.

Although we have so many resources at our disposal in large part due to regular access to the Internet, it can still remain difficult to learn if you're starting from zero. So many resources out there assumes you already have basic knowledge of something, but, in reality, the definition of what basic knowledge is differs from resource to resource.

I've had my share of frustration trying to learn something new and coming across a wall because the quality of the various resources I'm using differs from one another. You can eventually make headway if you're stubborn enough, but most people may not have the time to do so because of other commitments.

In reality, having a guiding hand when you're first starting off is way more efficient in the long run. Once you get the basic idea down, that's when you can start learning independently on your initiative.

The funniest thing is? Go back to the previous chapter's comments page and you'll see many of the people criticizing him saying he can just go view Youtube videos and the like, the very things she explicitly points out as if to slap their hands for dismissing him on, lol.

 

[mkoookm]

I wonder if the next chapter is going to have an actual mini lesson or if its just going to be a single panel of 'So you do it like this' 'i see, i see' and then being like see starting isn't that hard

 

[saredesu]

The funniest thing is? Go back to the previous chapter's comments page and you'll see many of the people criticizing him saying he can just go view Youtube videos and the like, the very things she explicitly points out as if to slap their hands for dismissing him on, lol.

Nope, I still stand by my opinion with youtube and such. It only worked because this is a manga; it is an interesting plot by making bossman the foil and our mc finding the solution. It is a part of writing technique.

If this is reality, they would just turn him away or point to another school that can cater to his need. It is very tiring entertaining customer who don't even know what they want. Even for this case, the man wants to learn programming to impress his mother but what is the final product for that goal? A cool app? Spreadsheet templates? A small game? That is yet to be seen.

The thread is divided into "help the guy, people who don't are mean" and "you have to be at least this good to enter", and I don't like the attitude of the former. Because standards are necessary. Pity can only go so far and it can lead into people being unreasonable, because they can. But of course, this is a manga and going with the pattern so far, there will be some beautiful solution. But that doesn't mean people who said otherwise is wrong. The view "holding standard is wrong, they are bad people" is what rubbing me.

It's like going to sushi restaurant and telling "Well, I can't eat raw fish. Can you fry this topping?" They could, but why don't you go to a chippy instead?

Teach him the basics, but ONLY the basics, for a day. Dont charge him, and dont teach him more than that, then send him back home.

A week later he can come back and perfectly say "yeah i have a bit of experience", then take him up as normal course student.

I guess that works too. It works this one time, maybe as a leading plot point of them getting the word out and the old company continue to fail. Which is good, true to the underdog story. But I don't see them making this a standard procedure as they are very short on staff and the story so far they only handle one customer per session. It's just not viable, realistically.

 

[RudoRonuma]

You don't know what you don't know.
And you'll never know until you get through the barrier that stops you from knowing.
Even background knowledge counts what matters is keep taking that next step and never stand still.

 

[gamria]

oof that ex boss? beiong on the volume 3 cover seems like it'll be annoying if he shows up too much versus him getting a 'downfall'

He'll only be relevant for the content of the 1st novel, assuming this adaptation will continue afterwards

(The raws at 34 chapters are like 81% through Volume 1)

 

[damian_stefan1989]

Shes one of the best MCs ive seen in a slice of lice manga recently and i relate to this guy more than i should lmao
Thanks for the TL

I know it's just a typo, but reading that line gave me an interesting horrifying image.
"Slice of lice"....

 

[quagzlor]

Nope, I still stand by my opinion with youtube and such. It only worked because this is a manga; it is an interesting plot by making bossman the foil and our mc finding the solution. It is a part of writing technique.

If this is reality, they would just turn him away or point to another school that can cater to his need. It is very tiring entertaining customer who don't even know what they want. Even for this case, the man wants to learn programming to impress his mother but what is the final product for that goal? A cool app? Spreadsheet templates? A small game? That is yet to be seen.

The thread is divided into "help the guy, people who don't are mean" and "you have to be at least this good to enter", and I don't like the attitude of the former. Because standards are necessary. Pity can only go so far and it can lead into people being unreasonable, because they can. But of course, this is a manga and going with the pattern so far, there will be some beautiful solution. But that doesn't mean people who said otherwise is wrong. The view "holding standard is wrong, they are bad people" is what rubbing me.

It's like going to sushi restaurant and telling "Well, I can't eat raw fish. Can you fry this topping?" They could, but why don't you go to a chippy instead?

I guess that works too. It works this one time, maybe as a leading plot point of them getting the word out and the old company continue to fail. Which is good, true to the underdog story. But I don't see them making this a standard procedure as they are very short on staff and the story so far they only handle one customer per session. It's just not viable, realistically.

my thoughts exactly.

should there be better resources for total newbies? sure, absolutely.

but going to an intermediate course with no knowledge of th basics is stupid. i respect fmc for saying she'll teach him. but irl, that would be on her own initiative, not on the company's, or why else target mid tier coders?

 

[Liar]

The funniest thing is? Go back to the previous chapter's comments page and you'll see many of the people criticizing him saying he can just go view Youtube videos and the like, the very things she explicitly points out as if to slap their hands for dismissing him on, lol.

Exactly.

If you started learning something, you don't even know what you're ignorant of. Hence why most people don't know where to even start.

 

[Daizeemi]

I'll be putting minus Points for Kenta, I know he is only doing his job but he should've looked at the perspective that FMC said. He gave up immediately just because the client dont know stuff, and didn't ask why.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

Yep, she's absolutely right, and she hit the nail on the head.

Eh, is she? If you can't learn how to code a "hello world" program on your own, I feel like maybe programming just isn't for you? I've seen first-hand people who just don't take to it easily and struggle at every step.

 

[potatoawards]

Really liked this development, capitalism killed empathy and turned workplaces into hell, seeing someone who cares about his thing and then seeing If you are worth of their "mighty" rather than care about you to then benefit from you is why the unemployed rates keep rising, people are worried about machines taking over Jobs at the same time that they ask of humans to have and produce results like machines

 

[mkoookm]

I guess we don't really know what japanese beginner resources are really like, but you have to have a pretty good understanding of english to even consider coding right. There's a massive amount of tutorials in english for complete beginners just look at all of the gamedev without code tutorials. Of course paid classes and tutors are the better options, but free tutorials should get you to the level where you can start understanding The C Programming Language textbook.

 

[ChaucerDog]

Kinda reminds me of entry level jobs wanting a certain amount of experience; yeah it makes it simpler for the company but if new people can't enter and improve here then where the hell are they supposed to go? Sure this is different because it's a school aiming for certain level of clients but still, he's trying to enter a programming school to learn programming. Either way, real world aspects aside, I love this MC!

 

[huntercheco]

She is an angel, I demand an angel for her next cosplay

 

[uly]

Learning the basics from a book, teacher or an online course/resource are all good, but to really understand programming and get better at it, you need to actually start programming on a computer. So in that sense the approach by Satou in this chapter is valid, but the follow-up will be just as important.

 

[Geardofwario]

Unpopular opinion, but I like her without the cosplay.

Nah we on this flow too 🤝

 

[gustavus]

Oof, no computer at home, not even a crummy old beaten-up laptop?
I struggle to imagine living like this; it might be possible in case of extreme poverty, very analog environment or explicit personal choice, but this guy is none of this.

 

[Tsukikira]

i'm sure she'll be a fine teacher tho hopefully they'd also have papers to where he could actually use as opposed to "i took private lessons" or so, unless there's some kinda 'test' in some programming jobs that you could pass or so to work on. Bc otherwise he'd prolly need some kinda 'side hustle' jobs. wonder how many places in japan where ppl could sell plasma/semen if they were desperate enough

oof that ex boss? beiong on the volume 3 cover seems like it'll be annoying if he shows up too much versus him getting a 'downfall'

As far as I recall, Japanese business puts focus on the portfolio for newer developers, so it's likely he'll learn and create projects with which he can show off his skills.

In the US, though, we have a bad habit of saying '4 years experience / College or Bust' for programming jobs.