E, Shanai System Subete Wan'ope shiteiru Watashi wo Kaiko desu ka? - Vol. 3 Ch. 19

[AAA1]

Successfully with that kind of attitude? Very doubtful.

i don't want to make it sound like i protected him but too much success can dull people's sense

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

Patron Saint Luigi of Commerce Correction
Bestow upon thee a sentence to this man

Wouldn't it be "bestow a sentence upon this man" ? Upon thee is basically "on you", so aren't you saying"bestow a sentence on you on this man"?

 

[huntercheco]

Get rekt old man!

 

[f-tzed]

This is a fairytale world where the idiotic actions of the people up top actually end up impacting them instead of the consumers or employees.

I mean we're only seeing it from his point of view, we don't know the other people who've been fired or laid off or have had their lives ruined because of this whole IT situation. The secretary looked mad stressed though so it might be a hellish experience for them too.

 

[Quarterdane]

What I want to know is when will we finally be rid of this manifestation of arrogant incompetence.

 

[Rhin]

even if you comment on the code, it is still complicated with tons of files involved, comment is only useful if you understand the minimum of the system, for first-timer folks, it won't help at all

IIRC Satou even offered to create a manual/guideline before leaving but she was refused by higher up.

If you ask me, the documentation would already be created when she made the program, who the hell keeps all of that in their head nowadays?
Like sure, the boss is the very definition of an arrogant idiot, but Ai isn't much better. Doesn't matter how much of a genius you are, you shouldn't make a system so complex that only you can handle it, and I can't imagine who was the retard that gave the okay to that kind of development, thats not how you should work, like at all.
Of course other devs aren't gonna want to touch that mess, I know I wouldn't.

 

[Maverun]

If you ask me, the documentation would already be created when she made the program, who the hell keeps all of that in their head nowadays?
Like sure, the boss is the very definition of an arrogant idiot, but Ai isn't much better. Doesn't matter how much of a genius you are, you shouldn't make a system so complex that only you can handle it, and I can't imagine who was the retard that gave the okay to that kind of development, thats not how you should work, like at all.
Of course other devs aren't gonna want to touch that mess, I know I wouldn't.

you are not so wrong there, i agree with you, but there is times when you are unable to make documentation such as rushing, or documentation itself is also complicated and would require minimum knowledge transfer but there is no one that help train those engineering, she was doing it all by herself for many years cuz higher up kept refused getting more people

I am not saying she didn't do nothing wrong, maybe she did wrote documentation but it wasn't simply enough for a newbie or she didn't afford the time to do it due to workload (she was solo), or the documentation is outdated, or as you assume, maybe she didn't


and as a programmer, I agree I wouldn't touch it unless I know 100% how it works, if there is no doc/manual, then heck no thanks

 

[arcosapphire]

The main issue I have with this story, honestly, is that we are to take it as an axiom that Satou is a genius programmer who can teach great software architecture to others.

Yet...the Orurabi system is obviously a duct-taped piece of shit. It needs constant hands-on tweaking to even stay operational. It is the product of obviously bad engineering. Even if we can accept that Satou's genius is such that the code is merely impossible for others to grasp and extend or modify, surely the system itself should be able to continue running without those modifications if it were so impressively designed.

A system like that is an enormous liability, and a competently run business should have avoided it altogether. It reminds me more of TempleOS than an actually good engineering project. Like yes, it's impressive what one person was able to do, but it should not be taken seriously under any circumstances.

I kind of do this sort of thing in my own job. I make whatever people need to do their job that our "real" dev team doesn't have the budget for. And when we need to change something, I am the only one who can do it. I'm a single point of failure, and I know just how bad it is that that is the case. If I were in charge, I wouldn't have me do what I do. (Even so, I try my best to make things robust and fail gracefully, etc., but there's only so much I can do.)

We are meant to see the prior management as good and the new management as evil and bad, but letting such a fragile system be the heart of the company in the first place was an enormous mistake. Obviously, the "shoot first and ask questions later" approach was comically wrong, but replacing the system with a new one that is maintainable by a flexible team is the correct thing to do, from a management perspective.

 

[kyoucha]

The way I’ve been interpreting it is that Satou is a genius programmer who has been let loose on the business due to lack of resources and general managerial incompetence. The old management was incompetent too, just in the opposite direction (treating the developers as wizards who you can aim at business goals but can’t really direct). The system in this case is the sum of hundreds of automations that they’ve introduced over time, growing until it was business critical but never getting a formal architecture review, documentation, etc.

 

[Nylodale]

Are there only strange people among programmers?

Yes

 

[obseletrix]

The main issue I have with this story, honestly, is that we are to take it as an axiom that Satou is a genius programmer who can teach great software architecture to others.

Yet...the Orurabi system is obviously a duct-taped piece of shit. It needs constant hands-on tweaking to even stay operational. It is the product of obviously bad engineering. Even if we can accept that Satou's genius is such that the code is merely impossible for others to grasp and extend or modify, surely the system itself should be able to continue running without those modifications if it were so impressively designed.

A system like that is an enormous liability, and a competently run business should have avoided it altogether. It reminds me more of TempleOS than an actually good engineering project. Like yes, it's impressive what one person was able to do, but it should not be taken seriously under any circumstances.

I kind of do this sort of thing in my own job. I make whatever people need to do their job that our "real" dev team doesn't have the budget for. And when we need to change something, I am the only one who can do it. I'm a single point of failure, and I know just how bad it is that that is the case. If I were in charge, I wouldn't have me do what I do. (Even so, I try my best to make things robust and fail gracefully, etc., but there's only so much I can do.)

We are meant to see the prior management as good and the new management as evil and bad, but letting such a fragile system be the heart of the company in the first place was an enormous mistake. Obviously, the "shoot first and ask questions later" approach was comically wrong, but replacing the system with a new one that is maintainable by a flexible team is the correct thing to do, from a management perspective.

Yeah, exactly. The boss is kind of shitty, but honestly I agree with his points- you should probably be able to maintain any given piece of company infrastructure without having to have the person who created it on hand, especially if it's as obviously vital to your business as Orurabi is. Like, I've definitely heard of that sort of thing happening in real life, but it's still fundamentally unacceptable as a business practice imo. Having one person to manage the company system in-house is also a pretty big failure? like, hire another fucking person, jesus christ.

Also, I get what the point of this series is, but honestly if I was hired to identify flaws in someone's business, and I walked into whatever department Satou was in and saw someone is "super-lwed succubus cosplay", I would a) have serious questions about that person's sense of professionalism, b) be really worried about the sort of sexual harassment lawsuits that could come from having someone dressed like that working there and c) be on the phone with HR, because this sort of thing is not appropriate. Like, Omorashi system or whatever aside, I can't really say that they were wrong to fire Satou in the first place? She was pretty far beyond the pale with the cosplay stuff. Honestly, I would take a manga about a worker trying to restructure companies with that sort of employee.... but that's just Section Chief Shima Kosaku,

 

[bodohbayar]

The main issue I have with this story, honestly, is that we are to take it as an axiom that Satou is a genius programmer who can teach g
reat software architecture to others.

Yet...the Orurabi system is obviously a duct-taped piece of shit. It needs constant hands-on tweaking to even stay operational. It is the product of obviously bad engineering. Even if we can accept that Satou's genius is such that the code is merely impossible for others to grasp and extend or modify, surely the system itself should be able to continue running without those modifications if it were so impressively designed.

A system like that is an enormous liability, and a competently run business should have avoided it altogether. It reminds me more of TempleOS than an actually good engineering project. Like yes, it's impressive what one person was able to do, but it should not be taken seriously under any circumstances.

I kind of do this sort of thing in my own job. I make whatever people need to do their job that our "real" dev team doesn't have the budget for. And when we need to change something, I am the only one who can do it. I'm a single point of failure, and I know just how bad it is that that is the case. If I were in charge, I wouldn't have me do what I do. (Even so, I try my best to make things robust and fail gracefully, etc., but there's only so much I can do.)

We are meant to see the prior management as good and the new management as evil and bad, but letting such a fragile system be the heart of the company in the first place was an enormous mistake. Obviously, the "shoot first and ask questions later" approach was comically wrong, but replacing the system with a new one that is maintainable by a flexible team is the correct thing to do, from a management perspective.

isnt that the point of the manga? the system is only be able to be run by her

Yeah, exactly. The boss is kind of shitty, but honestly I agree with his points- you should probably be able to maintain any given piece of company infrastructure without having to have the person who created it on hand, especially if it's as obviously vital to your business as Orurabi is. Like, I've definitely heard of that sort of thing happening in real life, but it's still fundamentally unacceptable as a business practice imo. Having one person to manage the company system in-house is also a pretty big failure? like, hire another fucking person, jesus christ.

Also, I get what the point of this series is, but honestly if I was hired to identify flaws in someone's business, and I walked into whatever department Satou was in and saw someone is "super-lwed succubus cosplay", I would a) have serious questions about that person's sense of professionalism, b) be really worried about the sort of sexual harassment lawsuits that could come from having someone dressed like that working there and c) be on the phone with HR, because this sort of thing is not appropriate. Like, Omorashi system or whatever aside, I can't really say that they were wrong to fire Satou in the first place? She was pretty far beyond the pale with the cosplay stuff. Honestly, I would take a manga about a worker trying to restructure companies with that sort of employee.... but that's just Section Chief Shima Kosaku,

probably,but couldve listened to people feedbacks though
also if u fire someone who can do their job,they will just find another company anyway/make a business so honestly dont matter much to the person who got fired and only company who is missing out

 

[arcosapphire]

isnt that the point of the manga? the system is only be able to be run by her

I'm not certain what the point of the manga is, since it covers a lot of stuff. But yes, the premise is that the system can only be run by her.

What I was saying is that making a system like that is not indicative of a great software architect, as we are supposed to believe Satou is. It's actually a really irresponsible and bad design that would inevitably be the downfall of a company.

So to anyone who knows about system design, the manga takes a big step away from believability, as it hosts this inherent contradiction.

 

[IrregularPerson]

imagine being threatened by a confident woman and then turning to harass her current place of employment after terminating her contract