EU accepted articles 11 and 13.. What it means for mangadex?

[apostou]

The new copyright law basically states that websites will be fully responsible for whatever users put on them. So yeah. I wonder if I'll have to buy an USA based VPN to view mangadex in the near future...

https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110509970213294081

 

[421cookies]

So loli hentai will be banned?

 

[DANDAN_THE_DANDAN]

RIP memes

 

[CouncilOfChickenLoverFourthSeat]

I think we need to start learning telepathy to share memes now.

 

[DANDAN_THE_DANDAN]

I can already imagine a future where teens do not get arrested for drug trafficking but rather sharing memes.

Teen: "No, please! It's just a funny meme about lolis!"
Judge: "Lolis? PLUS 200 YEARS ON TOP OF YOUR LIFE SENTENCE PENALTY!!" _{hammer banging noises}

 

[Ubergeek]

memes fucking suck and i'm glad they're gonna die

 

[EaterOfBooks]

I wonder how many forum and sites where people can share content will just decide the compliance cost is too high to remain accessible in the EU? Most of them have years of hosted stuff they'd be liable for keeping accessible.

 

[apostou]

@EaterOfBooks THIS.. is what I fear most... like most of the sites online might just delete content ;f

 

[Thoraxe41]

Pssst.... Wanna buy some memes?

 

[Greenfrost]

The link won't work, so I can't see what those articles are.

 

[MooPoint]

According to this reddit comment, it still has to go past the Council of the European Union.

 

[EaterOfBooks]

@Greenfrost Basically, Article 13 says websites accessible in the EU have to proactively remove copyrighted content on their site, unless they or the person posting it is the rightsholder, and they're legally liable if the don't do this and don't have a filtering system in place to detect whether user content is copyrighted. So instead of a takedown notice system where rightsholders have to take action to trigger it, it's supposed to be automatic.

Think something like Youtube's much maligned content ID bot, except instead of demonetizing detected content, it removes it or doesn't let you upload it, and instead of the dispute being with the claimed rightsholder, it's directly with the hosting company. This is the eon everybody's worried about.

Article 11 requires link aggregator sites (or search engines showing samples of content from a site) to pay the site owners for displaying their content. It doesn't have much to do with us, unless those sites start passing the cost onto consumers.

Here an article that goes into more detail: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-article-13-article-11-european-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban

 

[Fuko]

Unfortunately, this image is not available in your country because it could contain memes, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with EU.

 

[Kaarme]

The EU is again hard at work trying to make itself even less popular among Europeans.

 

[Greenfrost]

Thanks @EaterOfBooks for the info. But, Bad times are coming for the internet it seems. I just hope in ten years, we won't be having conversations about times past when the internet was free.

 

[EaterOfBooks]

@Greenfrost Some of us have already had those conversations, although more about certain 'self-policing' incidents where multiple sites tried to suppress certain opinions or news via moderation. Not government control, but certainly a far cry from the real 'Wild West' the internet was back in the day.

 

[DarkFlame]

I really do hope the bills don't get passed. Otherwise, the world will slowly start turning into that of Shimoneta's....

 

[crazybars]

@EaterOfBooks

No.... what the EU has done is shot themselves in the foot. Very HARD.

What they're actually going to do is train an entire generation to ignore copyright law on the internet. It's the same thing that happened when the Video game industry almost cried uncle and died before Steam came and saved it from the piracy gods. Have these people forgotten . . . . . it's not like piracy experts have disappeared yeah?


*Edit: I was talking out my ass earlier, nvm, edited

 

[EaterOfBooks]

@crazybars

The bigger issue here is that this changes the game on how copyright will be enforced on the internet in a badly, broadly reaching, and virtually unenforceable way. It's not necessarily that this is going to drive more people to piracy and evasion, it's that this makes even sites like reddit, 4chan, etc. where people have been uploading images they don't own for years difficult to keep running, and may heavily impact the social/communication side of the internet as a (possibly) unintended consequence.

On the other hand, I can see the argument for Article 11: Google, reddit, 4chan, Youtube, facebook, etc. are all profiting directly from user-uploaded content without any of that profit necessarily reaching the people who created the content. Maybe that should be fixed, but I'm not sure this is the way to try doing it.

I really don't like the direction the EU's been taking on internet regulations for years (first one I remember being skeeved about was the 'Right To Be Forgotten' law), and I'm wondering where it stops: are they going to ban/regulate VPNs, Tor, and other methods of getting around their rules next?

 

[mireaderc]

Doesn't seem targeted at manga or hentai or memes. More for content.
Move would affect Youtube/Facebook/Google a lot more.
But as we can all see, this will impact a lot of websites, even something like this.

I am in favour of the manga artists getting some $ for their efforts though.
Maybe a tie in with the hentai/doujin industry, $0.1 per chapter view.