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Lol angry emoji. Wooh! Bring it on, Akari apologists!
"Unintentionally". Strong doubts on that one. Shiori was going to leave his company permanently; the atmosphere had enough gravitas to make clear the fact that anything said would be important. Jirou, being Jirou, had to summon the courage to tell her something clearly important; anyone could tell that he had something big to say, but women especially--they have a sixth sense for this sort of thing, given how strongly emotional women are by nature. When he finally got it out, Shiori cut him off: Shiori's definitely not the (extrovert) type to interrupt people the way she interrupted Jirou that day...but she stopped him in that kind of atmosphere, in the middle of something clearly important, to utter those words specifically.Shiori's already done her part and confessed. She's not the type to get in the way of someone else's feelings, and she's proven that by not even letting Jirou confess. I think only thing left for her to do is to find out that Jirou actually tried confessing to her years ago and that she unintentionally blew it off.
"to utter those words specifically"."Unintentionally". Strong doubts on that one. Shiori was going to leave his company permanently; the atmosphere had enough gravitas to make clear the fact that anything said would be important. Jirou, being Jirou, had to summon the courage to tell her something clearly important; anyone could tell that he had something big to say, but women especially--they have a sixth sense for this sort of thing, given how strongly emotional women are by nature. When he finally got it out, Shiori cut him off: Shiori's definitely not the (extrovert) type to interrupt people the way she interrupted Jirou that day...but she stopped him in that kind of atmosphere, in the middle of something clearly important, to utter those words specifically.
Shiori is only interested because she has competition.
That aside, there are those who think Shiori's answering that phone is fine for the sake of returning it to its owner. What they are ignoring is context: the justification used is that it would help the finder return the phone to an unknown and completely unrelated individual--but that's not the case, here. The phone was obviously left by someone in that school, in that classroom that day; for all Shiori knew, it was someone she knew (and it was). At worst, it could have been someone in another class; because that'd narrow down the potential number of owners (from everyone in the region to just that classroom at best/that school at worst), Shiori needed only turn it in to the teacher or whomever would run the lost-and-found (the teacher would probably take it there himself) and let the natural order of things run its course. Her picking up the call wasn't necessary--it was foolishly impulsive.
Yeah it's clear currently where the wind is blowing, but then again, using your own words, the writing may be on the wall, but the writing isn't finished yet. Honestly, and unfortunately, I can easily see another 100 chapters after this if the author wants to stretch this out. And if I was the author and I wanted to change the direction of the wind, it would only take about 30 chapters to do that and completely 180 the general consensus and opinion about the two girls.Uhhhh no….Shiori doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell at this point. The writing has been on the wall for Akari for a while now, it’s not a question of who, it’s when
Akari was always the end game girl, the odds of the creator completely flipping on the entire mangas build up is so absurdly low it’s not worth mentioningYeah it's clear currently where the wind is blowing, but then again, using your own words, the writing may be on the wall, but the writing isn't finished yet. Honestly, and unfortunately, I can easily see another 100 chapters after this if the author wants to stretch this out. And if I was the author and I wanted to change the direction of the wind, it would only take about 30 chapters to do that and completely 180 the general consensus and opinion about the two girls.
Nah. She doesn’t know whose phone it is. It’s reasonable to answer the phone call, so you can ask the caller who the owner is. It is okay in this case, she also knows the caller.Girl you do not just pick up someone else’s phone call. That’s just not ok, especially if the phone call is from your love rival to the person you love.
"to utter those words specifically".
I actually rewatched the episode because of this as well as read the manga where that happened (ep 2 15:32, ch4 pg12). First of all, from Jirou's perspective, that felt like an interruption as he was about to confess, but if you imagine that Shiori had her own piece she wanted to say as well and she was anxious about it, it's easy to interpret that it's one of those "you go first, no, you go first" scenes except Shiori didn't even hear that Jirou was about to say something. Secondly, as for the words she said, I guess it just FELT really bad because I could easily relate to that happening and I would personally feel like it was a rejection, and henceforth remembering it worse than it really was. But if you go back to what she said, it could very well just be an attempt to just maintain their connection even after they separated, and maybe that's the best Shiori could do at the time.
"Shiori is only interested because she has competition."
That's demonstratively incorrect seeing Shiori that way, especially considering what she did afterwards where she REALLY stopped Jirou's incoming rejection after finding out that he may have feelings for Akari. If she really was a selfish bitch, she never would have done that and could have had Jirou as hers if she didn't stop him.
As for the whole phone thing, unless you've already read what happens next (and I haven't), this is just somebody answering a phone that seems to have been lost. There was nothing neither "foolish" about it nor "impulsive". I myself found a phone one time. Someone called almost immediately. I picked it up and found out it was the owner. We met that day and gave it back to her. That's how it can go sometimes (unless of course you want to keep the phone for yourself). So you may be seeing too much too far ahead into the situation.
"if she had something to say, why didn't she say it when she had the chance, and not when Jirou was speaking?"To preface my answer, I'm going by the manga--the source material; I find anime adaptations can take liberties with the story. The anime adaptation has no relevance here, in addition.
Whether from Jirou's perspective or not, that was an interruption--an uncharacteristically forward action for Shiori. In that situation, there was nothing to imagine as you could see Shiori's demeanor easily--her smile was bright, and her action was clear and (as I said) unusually forward (with rudeness being an implication). She did have the opportunity to continue speaking upon answering Jirou's question, but only chose to speak when he had begun speaking in reply. Nothing about her appearance there suggested anxiety (unlike Jirou), and someone with the kind of character we've been led to believe Shiori possesses--when anxious--would not cut someone else off and pretend not to have done so. Look at that page: Jirou and Shiori were more than just in earshot of each other--they couldn't have had more than a few inches between their nearer shoulders; there's no way Shiori didn't hear him begin to speak unless she's severely hard of hearing, and the author made no indications whatsoever that she is. There were no indications that the locale was noisy, either. The hypothetical scenario of awkward nervousness you presented didn't happen and was nowhere near happening--at least on Shiori's part. To reiterate: if she had something to say, why didn't she say it when she had the chance, and not when Jirou was speaking?
To be fair, the words Jirou managed to get out did not explicitly reveal his interest in her. But here's where extrapolation can be performed easily: why did Shiori choose exactly that moment to do something so uncharacteristically forward (not only is she demure, she's also polite--as far as I was aware)?
Regarding what you said about Shiori stopping "Jirou's incoming rejection" (did you mean "confession"?), feel free to tell me where that happened--I do not remember, and would like to reread it. That said, it means little: all her depictions indicate that she's interested in Jirou--her stance, however subdued (to the point of being hidden), directly opposes Akari's desire to keep Jirou to herself. In that very same chapter, she looked crestfallen that Jirou seemed to be getting on well with Akari; as a result, one could say her interest was there since her reappearance--some would say that it was always there. Well, then, that goes right back to the original question: if she was always so interested, why did she not show any sign of it in the past? When she was in that heavy atmosphere with Jirou, why was the only thing that came to her mind "friendship"? Wouldn't she want to lock him down properly if she was going to disappear from his everyday life, and had such feelings? (Perhaps exchange phone numbers, as opposed to ensuring Jirou stays her "friend"?) And in that atmosphere, why is it that she--though women are perceptive about this sort of thing--chose not to hear what Jirou wanted to say? (Do note that she didn't even ask afterward about what she knowingly interrupted.) Why is it only now--now, with Jirou now in the company of another girl--that she appears to be romantically affected at all by him?
Regarding the phone matter, you said it yourself:
"That's how it can go sometimes."
That's right--sometimes. You didn't know that it was the owner calling that phone that day. You didn't know how the owner would react to someone receiving calls on that phone. You didn't know whether the caller was one the owner would not have wanted anyone to see. You didn't know whether the phone carried readily accessible confidential information or not. None of these were the case, of course, but the point is that you didn't know, and neither did Shiori. That situation could have easily gone pear-shaped--hence "impulsive" (she picked it up because she recognized the name--she's just opened a can of worms) and "foolish" (she had no idea just how much more trouble she could have gotten into than what we know she just potentially created for herself). The wise thing to do would be to hand it over to the teacher or lost & found, as I said--easily done, as it was in school. What she did was written by the author instead for drama because it was foolishly impulsive; the alternative would leave no room for drama, and this manga is primarily of the drama genre.
Oh that's 100% gonna be the case, the author needs to milk the drama for as long as possible lol.For those wondering what can go wrong with that call, then I'll say that, from all my romcom experience, Akari will hear Sakurazaka's voice and instantly think Jirou's with her and that he likes her and maybe they were doing something together until she called.
Maybe she will instantly hung up the call and start crying, etc.. Not realizing that maybe Jirou has lost his phone. I've seen this happen quite a lot in other mangas actually.
"if she had something to say, why didn't she say it when she had the chance, and not when Jirou was speaking?"
I'll give you an answer; because how it all panned out was EXACTLY what the author wanted, for the male reader to ache and feel that way, because it is really easy to conclude that it was a rejection. And yet after reviewing the event with a level mind, it would be wrong to not give Shiori some degree of deniability despite what it looks like. Because if there's one thing I've come to realize in this series has as a theme, is that there are no malicious characters here out to hurt somebody intentionally in any way. After I got that as a theme, and after I read your comment and reviewed the event, I remembered that I myself was hurt when I first read how it happened, and yet I still can't definitely say that she intended to cut off Jirou's confession and reject him. And maybe this was all sticking to that theme I mentioned, that all the characters here are inherently imperfect but honorable, sometimes immature but always understandable, and I think that's why I like this series so much.
As for your question as to why did Shiori wait until this event to possibly reject Jirou (or the other intent I posed that she may have had), that's easier to answer. For plenty of rational people, it's logical to not even bother going into a romantic relationship as you're about to separate. Not all people are like that of course, and some would have the strength to start a long distance relationship as you're about to part ways physically with the intent of maintaining that relationship. But Shiori never struck me as strong, and is therefore being consistent. Like I said, the best she could do at the time was maintain a non-commital connection with Jirou. This would also correlate to my belief that she had no idea that Jirou intended to confess at that moment.
And about the phone call, if there was any risk, it certainly wouldn't be on her. If Shiori was a generic baddie, she would never have answered that call and kept the phone for herself. If Shiori was just clumsy and impulsive, she would still be the good person who gave back the phone to the owner. But of course, that's not the actual focus of the story. My point is, I don't see any way for Shiori to be depicted as a bad person here. I grant that it may be impulsive, but certainly not foolish, at least not to her own detriment. Besides, I really don't think the author intends to go in a direction where a mountain will be made out of a molehill made up of Shiori picking up that lost phone. I can't see her being downcast and feeling utterly guilty because he found a lost phone and answered a call, and she shouldn't be. If something will go "wrong", it will be the upcoming conversation that will happen between Shiori and Akari, which I really don't see anything bad happening to either of them. Just waiting for some hard hitting truths, and, unlike SOOOO MANY romantic mangas out there, I don't anticipate either of them lying for their own sakes or to bring down someone else (unless you include omitting truths about their own feelings as lying ig).
I'm not sure you understand what you think I'm implying. I'm implying, not even implying but outright saying, that an MC appearing to be rejected is MEANT to convey disappointment, frustration, and sadness for the reader. If you even argue that that's not true just because you didn't feel that way personally just makes you an outlier.Nice implication you included there: subtly delivered, but wrong--and it doesn't help your argument.
I noticed that you are really putting a lot of weight and meaning into that interruption, not to mention unwarranted confidence that it can only mean one thing and any other interpretation is absurd. To reiterate, I am not disagreeing necessarily with your interpretation. She could have really meant it, shutting down Jirou as he was about to confess because she knew he was about to do it, and then she poured cold water on him. Again, it is a possible interpretation. My take is, she did not know Jirou was about to confess that moment, she thought that they're about to separate, and she valued Jirou enough and intended to say something to maintain their current connection. I strongly believe that with a personality like Shiori who has plenty of reasons to be infatuated with Jirou (and flashbacks in chapter 42.5 can prove that), she will be uneasy in that moment. I imagine that she was completely clueless that what she said sounded like an outright rejection because, again, she didn't know Jirou was about to confess.I certainly did not ache, but I do know the conventions of polite social interaction--and they do not include interrupting people as they speak. That is easy to see in that scene's events, and there are no extrapolations or instances of speculation necessary to determine that much. You also, like I said, have to be of the kind of character to do that sort of thing in the first place--which Shiori is not.
i thought there was like a hundred chapters but mangadex is always lagging behind. am i wrong?Dog, why you gotta end like that... now we gotta wait a month to two, but its worth