GATE - Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri - Vol. 18 Ch. 95
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Is that an Ace Combat reference on page 16?
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I consider myself a learned person, and even many of those extra dimensional talk was hard to grasp.
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Bruh, so many theories in this chapter that I have never heard of. Hell, I’m not even sure it’s a actual theory. I should look it up. Great chapter
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i feel that the ending is near... at the same time i feel that more important part have been removed from the original source...
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@kwendy:
You ignorant fool... sorry, just joking.
Well, about sleeping magic there are two ways to create "sleeping magic":
1. The physically effecting type = a magic that creates / inserts some magical particals that act like a sleeping drug into the target's body.
-> So these magical particals are something that exists on a different axis and are simply made to interact with our spacetime by magic.
That would be one way to explain the physically effecting type of sleep magic.
2. The mind effecting type = part of mind magic as a whole.
--> The mind itself might be an existence that we cannot directly interact with because it exists on an axis that we cannot perceive directly.
Then mind magic would simply be the way to meddle with the axis that the mind exists on.
So sleeping magic would be using this type of magic to affect the mind of the target in such a way that the target becomes sleepy.
You ignorant fool... sorry, just joking.
Well, about sleeping magic there are two ways to create "sleeping magic":
1. The physically effecting type = a magic that creates / inserts some magical particals that act like a sleeping drug into the target's body.
-> So these magical particals are something that exists on a different axis and are simply made to interact with our spacetime by magic.
That would be one way to explain the physically effecting type of sleep magic.
2. The mind effecting type = part of mind magic as a whole.
--> The mind itself might be an existence that we cannot directly interact with because it exists on an axis that we cannot perceive directly.
Then mind magic would simply be the way to meddle with the axis that the mind exists on.
So sleeping magic would be using this type of magic to affect the mind of the target in such a way that the target becomes sleepy.
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@Talh For magicians to exist at all, the mind has to be connected to all the various axes. Otherwise there would be no way to affect them and bring the effects into the three dimensional world, to be perceived as magic (spells). Even if it was done via some proxy, like attributeless mana. So, if the mind is connected to all of them, it also means all of them can affect the mind, in the reserve direction.
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No, but the content of the chapter is just some talk the author needs to bring up to explain the situation he wants his story to be in.
So the author has the problem of needing this content in his manga while nothing actually happens.
Hence he needs to solve the issue about how to do that.
If he were to simply make a wall of text at the beginning of the chapter no one would read it or the readers would lose interest in the story for it getting too complicated.
Therefore he "solves" that by having that content added by a conversation including or partially only between the female characters while having them lightly dressed to give fan service to keep the readers interested.
No, but the content of the chapter is just some talk the author needs to bring up to explain the situation he wants his story to be in.
So the author has the problem of needing this content in his manga while nothing actually happens.
Hence he needs to solve the issue about how to do that.
If he were to simply make a wall of text at the beginning of the chapter no one would read it or the readers would lose interest in the story for it getting too complicated.
Therefore he "solves" that by having that content added by a conversation including or partially only between the female characters while having them lightly dressed to give fan service to keep the readers interested.
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some genuinely fascinating theories.
i really like the way this manga tries to tie science into the foundation of magic.
for those who are feeling confused, i'll try to explain the basic idea they were discussing.
at least according to my understanding.
the world as we know it exists in three dimensions, plus time.
that said, this does not mean that other dimensions do not exist. it's just that we can't perceive them.
when they mention that the dimensions exist everywhere, think of it like this.
say you have a sheet of paper. you place it on a table. this is a representation of a square, a 2D object.
we draw a stick figure on it. that figure is again a 2D representation of an object.
let's say that figure is alive, and it can only perceive two dimensions.
that said, it is only a representation. it is still a 3D object. the paper has some thickness to it, however slight.
the stick figure doesn't know that. but we, as higher dimensions beings, know that a third dimensions exists. which is thickness. but the figure cannot perceive this extra dimension.
This third dimension is everywhere. at no point is the paper 2D to us. it is always a 3D object.
in the same vein, magic is simply a manipulation of these higher dimensions.
say we put a string on the paper. and the stick figure can see the string where it touches the paper.
if we move the string around, to the stick figure, it is moving by magic. is we lift it off the paper, the string would vanish from the 2D world. but we know it still there, it's just moved elsewhere in this extra dimension of ours.
Then you have the bit where gravity and time lines and stuff come in.
over here, imagine a really, really long plastic straw.
imagine a bunch of them.
each is a separate reality. this is basically multiverse theory, which many who read isekai should have a general idea of. the manga does mention converging multiverses and such, but i'm not sure how to explain that so i'll leave that for now, but there should be good explanation on YouTube.
so normally, the straws just run on and on on their path.
what's happening with our world and their world is that our straws are touching. somehow.
and because they are touching, imagine that where they touch, the straws sort of meld together. this is the 'GATE' which allows travel between the two worlds.
now, i'm not sure about this, since i don't remember any character using magic when they were in Japan, but it is possible that our world and their world (just gonna call it like that for convenience) have different fundamental forces, or different upper dimensions.
as a result of the GATE, these forces are beginning to interact and warp each other, causing disruptions in the basic compositions of the world (as can be seen by that string experiment the professor did)
an alternative is that both worlds have the same upper dimensions. however, the interaction is once again causing a disruption in the fundamental forces.
think of it like this.
we know that light bends when affected by the massive gravity of a black hole.
so, take our world as a green laser, and theirs as a red laser.
you have the lasers parallel to each other. they run straight, never meet.
now, you introduce a minor point of greatly increased gravity between them (like a black hole).
the path of these lasers becomes distorted, and they both bend towards this source of increased gravity. the lasers will still have their paths, but they may intersect at a point.
now, imagine the the gravity increases further. the laser deviate more.
increases further
and further
soon, the lasers disappear into the black hole.
and boom. worlds are gone.
the 'gravity' in this situation is the GATE.
or rather, the continued existence of it.
removing the gate and breaking the link would be like reducing the gravity.
re-introducing the gate would be like increasing the gravity again.
i hope this kind makes sense.
if i'm wrong anywhere please do correct me, or give your own ideas.
i really like the way this manga tries to tie science into the foundation of magic.
for those who are feeling confused, i'll try to explain the basic idea they were discussing.
at least according to my understanding.
the world as we know it exists in three dimensions, plus time.
that said, this does not mean that other dimensions do not exist. it's just that we can't perceive them.
when they mention that the dimensions exist everywhere, think of it like this.
say you have a sheet of paper. you place it on a table. this is a representation of a square, a 2D object.
we draw a stick figure on it. that figure is again a 2D representation of an object.
let's say that figure is alive, and it can only perceive two dimensions.
that said, it is only a representation. it is still a 3D object. the paper has some thickness to it, however slight.
the stick figure doesn't know that. but we, as higher dimensions beings, know that a third dimensions exists. which is thickness. but the figure cannot perceive this extra dimension.
This third dimension is everywhere. at no point is the paper 2D to us. it is always a 3D object.
in the same vein, magic is simply a manipulation of these higher dimensions.
say we put a string on the paper. and the stick figure can see the string where it touches the paper.
if we move the string around, to the stick figure, it is moving by magic. is we lift it off the paper, the string would vanish from the 2D world. but we know it still there, it's just moved elsewhere in this extra dimension of ours.
Then you have the bit where gravity and time lines and stuff come in.
over here, imagine a really, really long plastic straw.
imagine a bunch of them.
each is a separate reality. this is basically multiverse theory, which many who read isekai should have a general idea of. the manga does mention converging multiverses and such, but i'm not sure how to explain that so i'll leave that for now, but there should be good explanation on YouTube.
so normally, the straws just run on and on on their path.
what's happening with our world and their world is that our straws are touching. somehow.
and because they are touching, imagine that where they touch, the straws sort of meld together. this is the 'GATE' which allows travel between the two worlds.
now, i'm not sure about this, since i don't remember any character using magic when they were in Japan, but it is possible that our world and their world (just gonna call it like that for convenience) have different fundamental forces, or different upper dimensions.
as a result of the GATE, these forces are beginning to interact and warp each other, causing disruptions in the basic compositions of the world (as can be seen by that string experiment the professor did)
an alternative is that both worlds have the same upper dimensions. however, the interaction is once again causing a disruption in the fundamental forces.
think of it like this.
we know that light bends when affected by the massive gravity of a black hole.
so, take our world as a green laser, and theirs as a red laser.
you have the lasers parallel to each other. they run straight, never meet.
now, you introduce a minor point of greatly increased gravity between them (like a black hole).
the path of these lasers becomes distorted, and they both bend towards this source of increased gravity. the lasers will still have their paths, but they may intersect at a point.
now, imagine the the gravity increases further. the laser deviate more.
increases further
and further
soon, the lasers disappear into the black hole.
and boom. worlds are gone.
the 'gravity' in this situation is the GATE.
or rather, the continued existence of it.
removing the gate and breaking the link would be like reducing the gravity.
re-introducing the gate would be like increasing the gravity again.
i hope this kind makes sense.
if i'm wrong anywhere please do correct me, or give your own ideas.
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Stop thinking of the words used and focus more on the concepts expressed.
the concept of string theory, multiple parallel worlds and merging/melding of VERY similar worlds there may be a few more concepts but I don't want to really re read to see if they are there.
Stop thinking of the words used and focus more on the concepts expressed.
the concept of string theory, multiple parallel worlds and merging/melding of VERY similar worlds there may be a few more concepts but I don't want to really re read to see if they are there.
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@quagzlor Wait, if you increase the "gravity" to such a point, like you said, both "realities" clash, then. And the effect should be mirroed. The same black fog that appears on their world should also appears in ours. They're both being affected by the same problem, so the result should be the same, no?
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