Gyakkou Shita Akuyaku Reijou wa, Naze ka Maryoku wo Ushinattanode Shinsou no Reijou ni Narimasu - Vol. 1 Ch. 3

[MangaDex]

 

[mahtan]

What I don't get is how did they managed to kill her.
She was supposed to have mana like that of an army, she should have been able to kill all the attackers easily, if not kill at least defend herself.
Also if shge attacked the Saint how is the Saint not dead? An attack with the power of a whole army behind it and the Saint survived?

This story does not makes sense.

 

[TehAverageMangaReader]

Do not be fooled, rice porridge tastes like dog water that came from a hose that was left in direct sunlight

 

[Munuwu]

Do not be fooled, rice porridge tastes like dog water that came from a hose that was left in direct sunlight

Unless seasons probably, it do taste like that.

 

[Darkshade13]

lol, author could've given her oatmeal or cream of wheat style porridge or anything, but no. Clearly the best thing is to have this pseudo-western magic fantasy land discover the glorious fantastical perfection of supreme Nippon rice porridge. And she's going to get fish and vegetables that are good for her digestion and what not. I swear if she ends up on a totally Japanese diet as an excuse to revolutionize this fantasy setting's culinary tradition to reflect the superiority of Japanese cooking I might lose it.

 

[Ironclad]

lol, author could've given her oatmeal or cream of wheat style porridge or anything, but no. Clearly the best thing is to have this pseudo-western magic fantasy land discover the glorious fantastical perfection of supreme Nippon rice porridge. And she's going to get fish and vegetables that are good for her digestion and what not. I swear if she ends up on a totally Japanese diet as an excuse to revolutionize this fantasy setting's culinary tradition to reflect the superiority of Japanese cooking I might lose it.

It could have been a class thing too, but no it had to be rice from the magical Orient. Everytime. As if rice is this rare impossible to cultivate ambrosia that only exists in Nippon. If a Latin author had to include a line about how incredible tortillas are or an Italian on the wonders of pasta in everything they wrote, how ridiculous would they look?

 

[morichiro]

lol, author could've given her oatmeal or cream of wheat style porridge or anything, but no. Clearly the best thing is to have this pseudo-western magic fantasy land discover the glorious fantastical perfection of supreme Nippon rice porridge. And she's going to get fish and vegetables that are good for her digestion and what not. I swear if she ends up on a totally Japanese diet as an excuse to revolutionize this fantasy setting's culinary tradition to reflect the superiority of Japanese cooking I might lose it.

Don't ask peaches from an apple tree.

 

[Darkshade13]

Don't ask peaches from an apple tree.

Which would be fair if I wasn't standing in a peach orchard. Nothing about the setting implies any amount of Japanese influence over it. It is stock standard pseudo-European swords & sorcery setting 1A. Given that, why should I expect that any specific aspect of it would suddenly be extremely Japanese to the exclusion of basically everything else?

It would be like setting a story in a very obvious feudal Japan, with samurai and warlords, and it being an isolationist island kingdom and obvious rice paddies or fishery harbors in the background. Only to have a character who is obviously similarly Japanese inspired himself open up his bento to reveal Shepherd's Pie and Churros with no explanation beyond being an opportunity to gush about how good they are.

In the end it's not a huge deal. My annoyance/bemusement is mostly because this is not the first, second, third, or even fourth time I've seen this sort of thing play out in a series, where non-Japanese characters are given often-inexplicible Japanese food so they can gush about how great it is. It's just a weird sort of recurring diversion to notice how heavily some authors seem to want to make a point about their perception of the superiority of glorious Nihongo cooking even when it seems out of place (and unnecessary). And this isn't even me dunking on Japanese cooking. Some of it is great. It just doesn't really fit in a story that is not Japanese in the slightest other than the fact that it's written by a Japanese author.

 

[morichiro]

Which would be fair if I wasn't standing in a peach orchard. Nothing about the setting implies any amount of Japanese influence over it. It is stock standard pseudo-European swords & sorcery setting 1A. Given that, why should I expect that any specific aspect of it would suddenly be extremely Japanese to the exclusion of basically everything else?

It would be like setting a story in a very obvious feudal Japan, with samurai and warlords, and it being an isolationist island kingdom and obvious rice paddies or fishery harbors in the background. Only to have a character who is obviously similarly Japanese inspired himself open up his bento to reveal Shepherd's Pie and Churros with no explanation beyond being an opportunity to gush about how good they are.

In the end it's not a huge deal. My annoyance/bemusement is mostly because this is not the first, second, third, or even fourth time I've seen this sort of thing play out in a series, where non-Japanese characters are given often-inexplicible Japanese food so they can gush about how great it is. It's just a weird sort of recurring diversion to notice how heavily some authors seem to want to make a point about their perception of the superiority of glorious Nihongo cooking even when it seems out of place (and unnecessary). And this isn't even me dunking on Japanese cooking. Some of it is great. It just doesn't really fit in a story that is not Japanese in the slightest other than the fact that it's written by a Japanese author.

You missed my point. Which is fair because I didn't really explained.
What I meant and should have said is that no matter how much you invest yourself into other cultures to create "another world", you will always come back to the starting point, your own culture. Also Japanese cuisine is richer than most occidental ones.
And rice is not exclusive to Japan. They are not even the leader in production worldwide, they barely made it to the top ten.

And well if you keep reading you'll learn that Samuel (the chef) is actually reincarnated, he literally got into his feet to pry to jar of soy beans.

 

[JACGohu]

Do not be fooled, rice porridge tastes like dog water that came from a hose that was left in direct sunlight

Evidently, you don't cook.

What I don't get is how did they managed to kill her.
She was supposed to have mana like that of an army, she should have been able to kill all the attackers easily, if not kill at least defend herself.
Also if shge attacked the Saint how is the Saint not dead? An attack with the power of a whole army behind it and the Saint survived?

This story does not makes sense.

Experience, or lack thereof. You can give anyone a fully blinged rifle, but without training, they still won't be able to bean a target in the head at 400 yards. She may have power, but she's never been in a fight before because she's been sheltered her entire life. As powerful as she was, did she even receive any education or training to use her powers in a combat situation? If she died so easily, I rather think not.

That said, her so-called "friends" are lucky she didn't lash out in a fit of rage when they backstabbed her, or she could very well have annihilated them and that entire wing if she lost control.

 

[mahtan]

Evidently, you don't cook.

Experience, or lack thereof. You can give anyone a fully blinged rifle, but without training, they still won't be able to bean a target in the head at 400 yards. She may have power, but she's never been in a fight before because she's been sheltered her entire life. As powerful as she was, did she even receive any education or training to use her powers in a combat situation? If she died so easily, I rather think not.

That said, her so-called "friends" are lucky she didn't lash out in a fit of rage when they backstabbed her, or she could very well have annihilated them and that entire wing if she lost control.

Except she has training from the school and was in the carriage for being expelled after attacking the other girl with spells...
The point of the school was for them to learn to use their magic after all and she wouldn't have been in that situation if she didn't know how to use her magic to attack other people.

As it goes her death was just something that makes no sense for the sake of the story.

 

[JACGohu]

Except she has training from the school and was in the carriage for being expelled after attacking the other girl with spells...
The point of the school was for them to learn to use their magic after all and she wouldn't have been in that situation if she didn't know how to use her magic to attack other people.

As it goes her death was just something that makes no sense for the sake of the story.

And if she were actually being trained to be a Knight or a Court Magician, I'd actually agree with you. Instead, her training as a noble lady was more akin to being a member of high society, and bridal training to be Queen; someone to be protected, and not be one of the protectors on the front lines, or to be used as a tactical nuke. High magic pool doesn't mean that all she will be taught is offensive magic either. Even if she was taught some, she still choked and failed to pull the trigger because of lack of actual experience, whether because she hesitated, or it suddenly dawned on her she was about to take a man's life and froze. Even rookie soldiers and cops are known to experience similar.

Looking at her conduct in later chapters, she has not been out in the world at all, and hasn't even experienced the public market until his highness snuck her out. I doubt she's even been out on bivuac before to learn how to fight in the field, or she'd at least be familiar with simpler foods outside of her own home's kitchen. Her own "friends" weren't even afraid of what she might do to them despite knowing how large her mana pool was, either because they were that brainless, or they knew she wouldn't be able to strike at them if they came forward.

I will admit however that her death if planned, didn't really make any sense, unless it was a completely random incident of banditry. If there was any reason behind it, then they'll likely cover it later. Otherwise it's still possible to assume the latter.

 

[mahtan]

And if she were actually being trained to be a Knight or a Court Magician, I'd actually agree with you. Instead, her training as a noble lady was more akin to being a member of high society, and bridal training to be Queen; someone to be protected, and not be one of the protectors on the front lines, or to be used as a tactical nuke. High magic pool doesn't mean that all she will be taught is offensive magic either. Even if she was taught some, she still choked and failed to pull the trigger because of lack of actual experience, whether because she hesitated, or it suddenly dawned on her she was about to take a man's life and froze. Even rookie soldiers and cops are known to experience similar.

Looking at her conduct in later chapters, she has not been out in the world at all, and hasn't even experienced the public market until his highness snuck her out. I doubt she's even been out on bivuac before to learn how to fight in the field, or she'd at least be familiar with simpler foods outside of her own home's kitchen. Her own "friends" weren't even afraid of what she might do to them despite knowing how large her mana pool was, either because they were that brainless, or they knew she wouldn't be able to strike at them if they came forward.

I will admit however that her death if planned, didn't really make any sense, unless it was a completely random incident of banditry. If there was any reason behind it, then they'll likely cover it later. Otherwise it's still possible to assume the latter.

You are just making excuses....
Again she was shown to be able to fight and use magic, that by itself should make the whole event impossible doesn't matter any other excuse.
There is no changing it as the story has already gone over the case, I am just pointing out how contrived the events that lead to the story happening are.

 

[JACGohu]

You are just making excuses....
Again she was shown to be able to fight and use magic, that by itself should make the whole event impossible doesn't matter any other excuse.
There is no changing it as the story has already gone over the case, I am just pointing out how contrived the events that lead to the story happening are.

I saw someone lashing out similar to picking up a convenient letter opener and acting on their anger, not with what they were taught, or there would've been a hundred different other ways she could've used her water magic to kill the saintess outright, instead of a slower way where they could still save her life. All I'm doing is pointing out what I observed, and why. If you don't think so, then let's just agree to disagree. If it turns out differently later, then fine.

 

[iririuuu]

it is really nice to see that she was regretting things even before dying so it wasn't a sudden change of thought and i hope it isn't some kind of cliche like her being controled by the plot of the otome game

 

[dezzot]

Hold on! Wheelchairs used only by commoners? For GOODS and people? What? I must have read wrong.

 

[SkyCat]

Hold on! Wheelchairs used only by commoners? For GOODS and people? What? I must have read wrong.

Noticed that too. While it's true that wheelchairs go back surprisingly far in real-world history, they were definitely upper-class conveyances for a long time. That being said, these kinds of stories are anachronism stews by nature. The plot demanded some way to get her out and about, and the author probably didn't even think about researching period-appropriate invalid chairs. Still an enjoyable story so far.

 

[flowerbruh]

You are just making excuses....
Again she was shown to be able to fight and use magic, that by itself should make the whole event impossible doesn't matter any other excuse.
There is no changing it as the story has already gone over the case, I am just pointing out how contrived the events that lead to the story happening are.

Impossible? I don't think so. Even a trained soldier can be killed by a beginner if they were suddenly ambushed, let alone a delicate lady with no athletic ability.

But to the previous point, no. Just because you have once in a lifetime talent, it's meaningless if you don't know how to use it. It's akin to giving a toddler a machine gun.

You say "she is shown to have the ability to fight"? All we've seen from her is using it to harass the Protagonist, that doesn't mean she would has the knowledge to conjure up some tsunamis or something.

And to correct an earlier point of yours, clearly the school she went to is not about learning how to wield magic, since the previous Protagonist was there. It may very well likely just be a school for nobles, and etiquette.

 

[mahtan]

Impossible? I don't think so. Even a trained soldier can be killed by a beginner if they were suddenly ambushed, let alone a delicate lady with no athletic ability.

But to the previous point, no. Just because you have once in a lifetime talent, it's meaningless if you don't know how to use it. It's akin to giving a toddler a machine gun.

You say "she is shown to have the ability to fight"? All we've seen from her is using it to harass the Protagonist, that doesn't mean she would has the knowledge to conjure up some tsunamis or something.

And to correct an earlier point of yours, clearly the school she went to is not about learning how to wield magic, since the previous Protagonist was there. It may very well likely just be a school for nobles, and etiquette.

You really want to compare non-magical trained soldier with someone that can use magic above anyone else ever?
It doesn't matter how much of a surprise it was she didn't even try to use her magic at all (as shown in the flash back) and that is ridiculous, especially when she knew her magic was more powerful than anything ever seen before.

And to correct an earlier point of yours, clearly the school she went to is not about learning how to wield magic, since the previous Protagonist was there. It may very well likely just be a school for nobles, and etiquette.

This part right here makes no sense.
Magic exists, nobles are known to have powerful magic, so a school for nobles will not teach how to control and use magic while also having a bunch of hormonal teenagers with variable moods full of mana and with no control over their magic.... that makes sense! Not.
Off course the school taught how to use magic, it would make even less sense than the whole protag dying in that attack for the school not to teach magic



The amount of excuse people make for such a paper thin plot is flabbergasting to me, I don't mind the excuse of "otherwise ths story wouldn't happen" and that excuse is fine with me as long as we all can agree that the events that lead to the story happening are impossible without a whole lot of plot convinience. A lot of stories depend on that to work and there is nothing wrong with that.