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Why the fu*k people complain about it
Why the fu*k people complain about it
Hajimete no Gal - Vol. 9 Ch. 82 - My First Job LEWD EDIT NSFW
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@Yautja "completely changing a manga?" dude you're freaking out over 2 pages and I'm not the complaining about the changes moron. If changing the manga is such a big deal to you, then read it in its original Japanese translation because changing it to English is "completely changing" the source material. Shut up and keep reading like everyone else lmao
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@Ebot
First off, I speaking in general as well in this case. I'm not "freaking out" I'm saying this is unnecessary and done in bad taste. Changing someone else's artistic work, even if it is shit, is improper.
Second off, I didn't say you were, and that is part of the reason I criticized you. You are bitching about people bitching, using them not paying as a justification and praising using the translation and edits also without paying. If you can't do one because you didn't pay, you don't get to do the other. If you don't get to criticize something because you didn't pay for it, you don't get to praise it either. It's called pointing out hypocrisy.
Third off, fallacy. Translating something is not the same as changing the art.
How bout you shut up and figure out why people are complaining instead of going "dey stupid and mad".
First off, I speaking in general as well in this case. I'm not "freaking out" I'm saying this is unnecessary and done in bad taste. Changing someone else's artistic work, even if it is shit, is improper.
Second off, I didn't say you were, and that is part of the reason I criticized you. You are bitching about people bitching, using them not paying as a justification and praising using the translation and edits also without paying. If you can't do one because you didn't pay, you don't get to do the other. If you don't get to criticize something because you didn't pay for it, you don't get to praise it either. It's called pointing out hypocrisy.
Third off, fallacy. Translating something is not the same as changing the art.
How bout you shut up and figure out why people are complaining instead of going "dey stupid and mad".
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If I don't read the comments I wouldn't know is a edit, anyway I always enjoy uncensored and even if is an edit it was a good one, I would love to see more in the next chapters, it was the same with nagatoro the edit in the bathtube was really good.
@yautja Just a couple of points. 1st, I buy this mag every month 2nd, artistic interpretation is never wrong, it might not be good, but its not wrong. To be honest I think fan colorings are a bigger "change" but I appropriate those who put in the effort, and if I dont like it I just dont read it. I will offer both edits moving forward, do like it? to fucking bad.
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@Czero
First off, that's irrelevant because A: Assuming you're responding to my numerical layout, it's not responding to my first point. B: I don't think paying for something is necessary to criticize it, i'm just pointing out hypocrisy in claiming you need to pay for something to criticize it but then him praising it and not paying.
Second off, again, assuming you're responding to my numerical layout, irrelevant, but regardless, this isn't an artistic interpretation because you aren't interpreting art, you're translating words and making changes to existing art because you fell it is necessary. Do you know what an artistic interpretation is? Because scanlation and what you did sure isn't.
How are fan colorings relevant? No one said anything about them, and the whole premise of those is to change the manga by adding color, which is what people expect when they go looking for them. You're doing a really poor job with whataboutism to try and deflect.
Third, and I don't know how many times I'll have to say this, "IF I Dont liKE it i jUst DoNt rEAd It" is a bullshit fallacy and poor attempt at avoiding criticism.
I never complained about both edits you fucking bent pencil, I literally said that's what you should do.
First off, that's irrelevant because A: Assuming you're responding to my numerical layout, it's not responding to my first point. B: I don't think paying for something is necessary to criticize it, i'm just pointing out hypocrisy in claiming you need to pay for something to criticize it but then him praising it and not paying.
Second off, again, assuming you're responding to my numerical layout, irrelevant, but regardless, this isn't an artistic interpretation because you aren't interpreting art, you're translating words and making changes to existing art because you fell it is necessary. Do you know what an artistic interpretation is? Because scanlation and what you did sure isn't.
How are fan colorings relevant? No one said anything about them, and the whole premise of those is to change the manga by adding color, which is what people expect when they go looking for them. You're doing a really poor job with whataboutism to try and deflect.
Third, and I don't know how many times I'll have to say this, "IF I Dont liKE it i jUst DoNt rEAd It" is a bullshit fallacy and poor attempt at avoiding criticism.
I never complained about both edits you fucking bent pencil, I literally said that's what you should do.
@yautja You are making inconsistent points mostly because you dont know what your talking about. You think translating is word for word? What you are reading here is the basic idea of what the author is trying to say, twice translated out (although i did reference the original Japanese in many places to get a more accurate translation). But it NOT the original, it is quite literally my interpretation of the original work. Also yes I am a firm believer that you while you are free to criticize all you want, if you dont add anything (you dont pay, or you dont provide in that space) you just come off as an asshole. I am open to critique, but this is just people being stupid, its 4 nipples and some pubic hair in a manga where one of the girls in a walking talking panty shot.... Really, this is rock people choose to die on? My attitude towards this is, This manga is for me; if you like it great, if you dont, that is not my problem and unless you have a reasonable issue (misspelled words, or missing text) its better just to keep it to yourself because moving forward this is the last I will discuss this.
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If scanlator/@Czero wants to keep going with these NSFW edits, Ueno Meguru already has a few hentai works. Maybe you can use them as references so they don't stick out as much.
Also @Yautja all you had to do was ask the scanlator to release the unedited version alongside the edits. Can't believe how mad you are about something like this lmao.
Also @Yautja all you had to do was ask the scanlator to release the unedited version alongside the edits. Can't believe how mad you are about something like this lmao.
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@Czero
Of course, the "you don't know what you're talking about REEEEE" is here. Ha no. Did I say that? Translational "interpretation" is a hell of a lot different than an artistic interpretation. Translation is not a fan fiction, and it is not an artistic interpretation. If you're going to try and play the semantics game, you're going to lose. No one said it is the "original" but it sure isn't an (artistic) interpretation.
LUL. You're an ass if you criticize something and don't pay for it. What a bullshit excuse to give yourself the high ground and dismiss criticism. Can wait to see you try and eat your cake. " I Am open tO CrItiQue" my ass. No, the hill people are dying on is "don't change other people's art, especially when it's not consistent with the past". It's not about just about what your edits are. What an overused deflection. "It's just X".
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I'm not mad, and I've said that exact thing before. What a generic and pointless response, "you're criticizing something so you must be mad LMAO". As if being mad is somehow relevant or dismisses the points made.
Of course, the "you don't know what you're talking about REEEEE" is here. Ha no. Did I say that? Translational "interpretation" is a hell of a lot different than an artistic interpretation. Translation is not a fan fiction, and it is not an artistic interpretation. If you're going to try and play the semantics game, you're going to lose. No one said it is the "original" but it sure isn't an (artistic) interpretation.
LUL. You're an ass if you criticize something and don't pay for it. What a bullshit excuse to give yourself the high ground and dismiss criticism. Can wait to see you try and eat your cake. " I Am open tO CrItiQue" my ass. No, the hill people are dying on is "don't change other people's art, especially when it's not consistent with the past". It's not about just about what your edits are. What an overused deflection. "It's just X".
@Excelsior
I'm not mad, and I've said that exact thing before. What a generic and pointless response, "you're criticizing something so you must be mad LMAO". As if being mad is somehow relevant or dismisses the points made.
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"lewd" lol nipples a scene and a little bit hair... I havent even noticed they werent cencored xD
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@Yautja lets be fuckin real here, people (including you) are angry because these translators drew something lewd in a lewd manga, do you not understand how dumb this is? When the whole appeal of lewd content is sexual in nature, why is drawing the actual nudity an giant issue? Y'all are being childish straight up lmao
@Ebot Are you actually trying to make some sort of point or are you just here to insult people?
If you don't understand (or refuse to understand) why people would take issue with editing someone else's work, then there's really no point in speaking to a brainlet like you.
And no, translation does not count as editing someone else's work.
If you don't understand (or refuse to understand) why people would take issue with editing someone else's work, then there's really no point in speaking to a brainlet like you.
And no, translation does not count as editing someone else's work.
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You had two days to come up with a response and that's it? If we were being real, you'd have to read and understand that's not the criticism nor point the deep-fried dunce cap.
1. Do not alter someone else's artistic work unless it is absolutely necessary, regardless of whether or not you feel it improves things.
2. Under the assumption it some how does not conflict with #1, do not add things that are out of place / do not match the tone previously set. The bush and nips do not match the art, nor the past chapters.
3. Maybe try reading what people have said before you respond like an idiot.
4. Before commenting, try adding a criticism or a point before insulting people with generic "you're childish" / "you're dumb" insults.
5. Appeal or not, the nudity is not the issue you sentient straw-man.
6. Stop talking, you're verbally hitting yourself
7. Straw-man aren't real friends, go find some.
You had two days to come up with a response and that's it? If we were being real, you'd have to read and understand that's not the criticism nor point the deep-fried dunce cap.
1. Do not alter someone else's artistic work unless it is absolutely necessary, regardless of whether or not you feel it improves things.
2. Under the assumption it some how does not conflict with #1, do not add things that are out of place / do not match the tone previously set. The bush and nips do not match the art, nor the past chapters.
3. Maybe try reading what people have said before you respond like an idiot.
4. Before commenting, try adding a criticism or a point before insulting people with generic "you're childish" / "you're dumb" insults.
5. Appeal or not, the nudity is not the issue you sentient straw-man.
6. Stop talking, you're verbally hitting yourself
7. Straw-man aren't real friends, go find some.
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@Yautja My point is that all these complaints are unnecessarily aggressive towards the translators and people who have no problem with the minor change to 2 pages. If you want me proof read your own replies where you felt the need to pair every statement with multiple insults lmao take a fucking chill pill
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@Ebot
Really? Because your point seemed like a straw-man to dismiss criticism by complaining about the manner in which it was given and to group and classify all criticism as "unnecessarily aggressive". As you literally said ALL of them are. I don't know what comments you read, but mine and most of them were pretty damn fair. Unless you wanna call shit like:
I don't care about people who have no problem with it. It's not relevant to my or other people's criticism, and I don't give a shit about your proof reading, since your all of your comments are without substance and drunkenly stumble around any relevant point. I said read what you're responding to, and actually respond to it instead of some poorly formed straw-man any random commentor can see and call you an idiot for attacking.
Really? Because your point seemed like a straw-man to dismiss criticism by complaining about the manner in which it was given and to group and classify all criticism as "unnecessarily aggressive". As you literally said ALL of them are. I don't know what comments you read, but mine and most of them were pretty damn fair. Unless you wanna call shit like:
and whatever other ones my lazy ass could copy and paste "unnecessarily aggressive". Maybe you're getting insults because you're being a cunt and don't know what you're talking about and pissing out fallacies left and right.
I don't care about people who have no problem with it. It's not relevant to my or other people's criticism, and I don't give a shit about your proof reading, since your all of your comments are without substance and drunkenly stumble around any relevant point. I said read what you're responding to, and actually respond to it instead of some poorly formed straw-man any random commentor can see and call you an idiot for attacking.
