Hajirau Kimi ga Mitainda - Ch. 65.1 - Shirasawa’s Awakening 3

[Iskarioth]

So the first sex scene is different than the ecchi scenes? You don't say. He was there, he was participating. I think we are done here.

 

[Moneymike1995]

What other scenes would that be? So far we got only one true sex scene with a common fade out. Let me call your bluff then: Chapter 58.2 Pages 1,2,3, he reacts actively and engages her / in sexual acts. Page 7 he's clearly aroused and still reacting. Page 11, he spasms and ejaculates, so he's still participating. He falls asleep AFTER they are done.

More waste of my time, but at least we know now who puts in the vain effort despite better judgement.

It's nice to see what you want to some times.

 

[Crackerjack94]

He was there, he participated because he wasn't in a clear state of mind, and he got pissrd off afterwards. Yeah we're done.

Also it's been stated before but the first sex scene is written differently than the whole series. It's not played for laughs, which is unusual for this comedy evchi manga. It's written as something serious and something we aren't supposed to see as being good. Again maybe you were too busy fapping to see that.

 

[Iskarioth]

"we aren't supposed to see as being good" And there's the core of your issue. It's your headcanon, nothing more. Same as your very far fetched assumption about his reaction. None of that is stated in the story. The pages show his state of mind quite clearly, so do his actions, yet you can't separate what's shown from the images in your head.

 

[Ghxzt]

Everyone in this thread is autistic af 😹😹

 

[Felkin]

OK I see you're just eager to have the last word so this will be my final comment so I'll end it here and stop your bait engagement farming

I love how in these sorts of forum arguments someone writes something like this and then you scroll down and see another full page of comment exchanges.

Random 2nd opinion from a side reader with popcorn: Iskarioth knows how to argue properly but is completely missing the forest for the trees and so comes off in the moral wrong here. Crackerjack94 is arguing from the morally defensible position, but is also arguing 'the trees' here when that won't get either of you anywhere. Also, way too many personal insults.

Imho, easiest way to shut down this sort of argument is just: "that teacher sex scene did not pass the vibe check, do most people agree?". You'll get a ton of up votes and that's kinda it. At that point the semantics don't matter, the majority are just finding the chapter uncomfortable and at that point what is your argument? 'you shouldn't find that uncomfortable'? That's going to be an even worse vibe check


At the end of the day, a bunch of people read that chapter, felt uncomfortable and that pushed them to start discussions on what the issue is. So you should be discussing on that point (why did that make you uncomfortable, is there a culture difference between us?), rather than semantics of getting erect while asleep...

 

[Mordenheim]

1) He was not moving while they had sex. That's the whole point. He could've revoke or give his consent to that part. Hence why he was mad the following day.

He is shown moving, when she is giving him blowjob. Also, when the girl is on top then the man doesn't really need to move, the girl is the one doing all the work. He could fondle her breasts but that's it.
He could tell her like bazillion of things but instead he chooses "I'm not director Saiga!" ~ Why is that?
Later, he talk how he broke the iron rule of his father, which is hypocrisy on his part because he broke that long time ago with Kaho. -> This definitively warrants some clarification later on.

I love how in these sorts of forum arguments someone writes something like this and then you scroll down and see another full page of comment exchanges.

Random 2nd opinion from a side reader with popcorn: Iskarioth knows how to argue properly but is completely missing the forest for the trees and so comes off in the moral wrong here. Crackerjack94 is arguing from the morally defensible position, but is also arguing 'the trees' here when that won't get either of you anywhere. Also, way too many personal insults.

Imho, easiest way to shut down this sort of argument is just: "that teacher sex scene did not pass the vibe check, do most people agree?". You'll get a ton of up votes and that's kinda it. At that point the semantics don't matter, the majority are just finding the chapter uncomfortable and at that point what is your argument? 'you shouldn't find that uncomfortable'? That's going to be an even worse vibe check


At the end of the day, a bunch of people read that chapter, felt uncomfortable and that pushed them to start discussions on what the issue is. So you should be discussing on that point (why did that make you uncomfortable, is there a culture difference between us?), rather than semantics of getting erect while asleep...

What's the issue? Well...
Theoretically: Whether Shirasawa was a victim of rape or not.
In practise: Calling people names, trolling, lying and flaming.

Something like that.

 

[Crackerjack94]

"we aren't supposed to see as being good" And there's the core of your issue. It's your headcanon, nothing more. Same as your very far fetched assumption about his reaction. None of that is stated in the story. The pages show his state of mind quite clearly, so do his actions, yet you can't separate what's shown from the images in your head.

Of course it's my headcanon. Everything either of us says is headcanon. My good are you just stupid?

 

[Crackerjack94]

He is shown moving, when she is giving him blowjob. Also, when the girl is on top then the man doesn't really need to move, the girl is the one doing all the work. He could fondle her breasts but that's it.
He could tell her like bazillion of things but instead he chooses "I'm not director Saiga!" ~ Why is that?
Later, he talk how he broke the iron rule of his father, which is hypocrisy on his part because he broke that long time ago with Kaho. -> This definitively warrants some clarification later on.


What's the issue? Well...
Theoretically: Whether Shirasawa was a victim of rape or not.
In practise: Calling people names, trolling, lying and flaming.

Something like that.

He stopped moving after the bj.

Also your "im not Saiga" argument again makes 0 sense when he never cared about being compared to him.

 

[Crackerjack94]

I love how in these sorts of forum arguments someone writes something like this and then you scroll down and see another full page of comment exchanges.

Random 2nd opinion from a side reader with popcorn: Iskarioth knows how to argue properly but is completely missing the forest for the trees and so comes off in the moral wrong here. Crackerjack94 is arguing from the morally defensible position, but is also arguing 'the trees' here when that won't get either of you anywhere. Also, way too many personal insults.

Imho, easiest way to shut down this sort of argument is just: "that teacher sex scene did not pass the vibe check, do most people agree?". You'll get a ton of up votes and that's kinda it. At that point the semantics don't matter, the majority are just finding the chapter uncomfortable and at that point what is your argument? 'you shouldn't find that uncomfortable'? That's going to be an even worse vibe check


At the end of the day, a bunch of people read that chapter, felt uncomfortable and that pushed them to start discussions on what the issue is. So you should be discussing on that point (why did that make you uncomfortable, is there a culture difference between us?), rather than semantics of getting erect while asleep...

What has he argued? He's said nothing

Also funny how you forgot to mention that he mentioned he was erect so couldn't be asleep. I only mentioned it because he used that to counter my argument

 

[Mordenheim]

He stopped moving after the bj.

And?
I just literally explained to you why he is not moving. So, once again. In that position, the girl does all the moving.

Also your "im not Saiga" argument again makes 0 sense when he never cared about being compared to him.

Explain why he is saying that.

 

[Crackerjack94]

And?
I just literally explained to you why he is not moving. So, once again. In that position, the girl does all the moving.


Explain why he is saying that.

No what YOU explain to me why a guy that wouldn't be jealous of Saiga while having sex with someone he doesn't love would be jealous to you. You've never once explained why a guy having a one night stand in your opinion would be jealous

Also he sure seems to look like he's enjoying it at the last page of the chapter. Slumped over and knocked out. You can definitely tell he loved it right. Everyone enjoys sex knocked out

 

[Moneymike1995]

"we aren't supposed to see as being good" And there's the core of your issue. It's your headcanon, nothing more. Same as your very far fetched assumption about his reaction. None of that is stated in the story. The pages show his state of mind quite clearly, so do his actions, yet you can't separate what's shown from the images in your head.

I'm guessing you read the chapter blindfolded, because his reactions are different from what you've said

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

I love how in these sorts of forum arguments someone writes something like this and then you scroll down and see another full page of comment exchanges.

Random 2nd opinion from a side reader with popcorn: Iskarioth knows how to argue properly but is completely missing the forest for the trees and so comes off in the moral wrong here. Crackerjack94 is arguing from the morally defensible position, but is also arguing 'the trees' here when that won't get either of you anywhere. Also, way too many personal insults.

Imho, easiest way to shut down this sort of argument is just: "that teacher sex scene did not pass the vibe check, do most people agree?". You'll get a ton of up votes and that's kinda it. At that point the semantics don't matter, the majority are just finding the chapter uncomfortable and at that point what is your argument? 'you shouldn't find that uncomfortable'? That's going to be an even worse vibe check


At the end of the day, a bunch of people read that chapter, felt uncomfortable and that pushed them to start discussions on what the issue is. So you should be discussing on that point (why did that make you uncomfortable, is there a culture difference between us?), rather than semantics of getting erect while asleep...

Seriously, in any country story like "Teacher invited his underage student for a drink (that's already a crime, especially from a person in position of social trust like a teacher), gave her alcohol in form she couldn't recognize, got her drunk, offered her place to sleep, then in the middle on the night got on top of her and took her virginity, next morning she was regretful and sulking" would cause firestorm in the news, firing like from cannon and total social death of the teacher, big problems for the school and questions about standards for teachers, maximum penalty for intoxicating minor, if student was over age of consent then probably wave of demands for increasing it to get guys like him next time, if not then jail term as a pedo rapist. No one would care if she sucked his dick at one point or not.

Arguments about "was he really that drunk" are dumb because the whole point of banning alcohol for minors is that they aren't mature enough to drink it in the eyes of society, so adult who breaks that law to get them drunk before having sex with them is automatically suspect.

 

[Mordenheim]

No what YOU explain to me why a guy that wouldn't be jealous of Saiga while having sex with someone he doesn't love would be jealous to you. You've never once explained why a guy having a one night stand in your opinion would be jealous

No.
I was not talking about my interpretation of this scene.
I'm asking for YOUR explanation why he is saying that.

 

[Crackerjack94]

I was not talking about my interpretation of this scene.
I'm asking for YOUR explanation why he is saying that.

This is your theory not mine. If you want to hear why I think he's saying that you have to first tell me why you think that. Isn't it fair to give your stance before asking for someone else's?

 

[Schernobyl]

Sister is terrible and stupid. Her new plan is worse due to the text messages and the notes written by her that he can use as evidence.

 

[Mordenheim]

This is your theory not mine. If you want to hear why I think he's saying that you have to first tell me why you think that. Isn't it fair to give your stance before asking for someone else's?

I already give you mine in the other thread and in this one, it's on the page 2... but you should be already aware of it since you give it 'strike' reaction.
Once again, I'm asking for YOUR explanation why he is saying that.

 

[Crackerjack94]

I already give you mine in the other thread and in this one, it's on the page 2... but you should be already aware of it since you give it 'strike' reaction.
Once again, I'm asking for YOUR explanation why he is saying that.

clearly I don't remember. Please go on and refresh my memory. That shouldn't be too hard for you right?

 

[Mordenheim]

clearly I don't remember. Please go on and refresh my memory. That shouldn't be too hard for you right?

Erm, no.
Ekoda was obsessed with director Saiga and it's actually the reason why she approached Shirasawa in the first place, but she got corrected by him and graduated from her obsession (clue: the hair). Now, she is interested in Shirasawa, because both him and Saiga see her as person rather than pretty face like everyone else.
The thing is, Shirasawa doesn't know about her graduation (even though she kinda told him). He thinks that Ekoda is still into Saiga and that she used him as some kind of stand-in for Saiga. He is mad because it hurt his ego/pride.

A lot of arguments here.

There.
Now I await YOUR explanation why he is saying that.