@Zephyrus He was being dismissive towards
@Kanami-chan, who is also not a native speaker. You can't dismiss that with "it's just how he is" because almost all of us normal users aren't reading many of his posts, so each one has to be taken in the immediate context. Right now, the context is belittling a non-native speaker for apparent incoherence in an argument. And yes, even if it wasn't an issue now it will be in the future if that keeps up. It's going to engender bad feelings and runs contrary to the desire for a positive community. He's since apologized and I don't think he intended for it to look that way, but it's never good when things get that far.
My concern is that this place is going to turn toxic, like Batoto did before it, if the mods aren't expected to act without vitriol when enforcing rules or discussing them. It would be better if the rules were clear; then it's obvious ahead of time what will be moderated, but moderating stuff under the vague criterion while being mean about it is going to make people angry and upset. The "Tomo-chan" and "Mousou Telepathy" Batoto comments turned into absolute shit-shows because of this issue there. It sucks that people are jerks to you, but that can't be an excuse when being jerks to other people; if we want a good community we can't just fall down to the lowest denominator. Discussing rules will probably always be terrible, no matter what you do.
@Teasday The past conduct just doesn't matter so much anymore, which is why nobody's been sold on that argument. Since it was already justified there wouldn't be a reason to change the rules unless you want to moderate more. The rule change is more explicitly expansive than what it replaced and it does sound like there's more stuff you want to moderate. Eventually there will be new mods or existing mods will gradually change their approach, so while it may be okay in the short term it doesn't say anything about the long term. It seems like it's specific stuff posing issues right now, so if that's the case, I really do think it would be better to implement more clear rules, better crafted for those situations, than to try to anticipate future problems with a vague rule now. As an example, I can't figure out if the Making Babies credit pages for "Parallel Paradise" would have been moderated. They're just jokes about Abe's child-rearing policies and the fact that the manga itself (which has no overt political messages) is smut, but they do fall under the rule's purview.
The problem with "Yukionna" is that it has nothing to do with Arabs at all, but both the story and ISIS have their inception in the fact that one dude/some dudes can't achieve a meaningful relationship due to power imbalances related to sex. It might be tenuous, but you don't really want to invite that kind of boundary-testing on the parts of trolls. And, as I said many pages before (I assume you didn't see it, since there are a ridiculous number of comments anyway), to the far left and far right everything is political. As a semi-radical on a different part of the spectrum than either Rapeman or the commie guy, I see ways to tie virtually everything to politics, even to specific policies, and since people like that are inherently drawn to argument you'll inevitably get some.
I'll say to both of you, I do not intend to be mean to you and I like you guys as well as the whole mod team (from what I've seen, at least), but I do see potential issues here and want to alert you to those before they start hitting you like they hit grumpy, who eventually swore off manga almost completely because of the shitty lifestyle he had running Batoto. I understand why you feel like you do and understand why you think this approach will work, but while you could pull out ahead I think it will be very risky, either for your sanity (Batoto started circling the drain once grumpy burnt out) or for the community (Batoto went down the drain once grumpy had essentially given up).
@The_Fapper I think you're barking up the wrong tree on that last part. It's totally okay for them to decide that some content is past the pale and I don't think they've ever said that it was an absolute free-for-all. I do think that in those cases they should remove the whole thing and not just the credit page, for attribution's sake and because it's kinda scummy not to, if nothing else, but I don't see a reason why a credit page commemorating terrorists needs to be tolerated. And yes, they can and should choose to moderate certain scanlations because the point is to
effectively share scanlations. The scanlations are already shared, for the most part; aggregators like MangaDex just make it more effective. Limiting how much work they need to do or how pissed off everybody gets is a way to reduce the drag from the community on the actual scanlation work and sharing.
