Hikagemono demo Yarinaoshite Ii desu ka? - Ch. 43 - Permanent scars

[Veruschka]

Whose leg she is going to break?

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

"I don't think we can go back to being friends Because... I'm about to step onto stage in this prince outfit and will be swamped in many yuri-curious girls I've awakened something in, I don't think I'm going to have any time to myself until I'm in my 20s. And if you're hanging around me they will probably straight up murder you."

 

[Nolzi]

Cool, cool. Now who is the next target?

 

[juanguillermo]

Now imagine that a person who used to bully you, years later suddenly shows up and apologizes to you for every harm done. In fiction, that sorry could have resolve everything and the bullied would accept it. But reality isn't often as sweet we think. The bullied would straight up crash out (valid tbf). Though there wasn't any bullying (I think) but tomboy's action were not justified at all. And I still hate when characters out of a sudden gets redeemed, even if they, let's say Killed an entire Nation (I may have exaggerated a bit, but you get my point). For me the Tomboy's Redemption is bullshit and I still don't like her at all (though the author did it intentionally, for which great writing as always or I am just an idiot, I think later makes sense). I always hate power hungry peoples and they always do is harm others for their fun. Her character has a simillar coincidence, but the same can be called for her lackeys, who shouldn't have any redemtion at all. Either way, I am looking forward to her future character arc.

TL;DR: The Tomboy's redemption (For me) is straight up BS.

Well all I'll say is that the way you feel is okay but Hozue's story isn't about redemption but instead about showing what a true apology is. If someone is truly apologetic, then they don't need to be forgiven in order to move on. A real apology is about showing the people you hurt that you are trying to change for the better by acknowledging their feelings. After the apology it's about whether they actually do something.

On the flip side, no one has to forgive someone who is apologizing. Using your example, if someone killed tons of people then it wouldn't be crazy to never forgive them for that but if they truly changed and with the rest of their life fought to end world hunger, it would be crazy to say that they were a bad person til the day they died.

You never have to forgive people for what they have done BUT, if you don't give space for people to change then no one would ever have an incentive to be a better person. Wouldn't you want people to change for the better especially after they hurt you? Would you rather they continue hurting others just so that you can feel justified in never forgiving them?

P.S. There was no redemption for Hozue. Even though she apologized to the people she hurt she clearly still can't forgive herself, we don't see her trying to be better yet, and we don't see the rest of her class accepting her now that she's trying to change. Remember that in this story, they're all children with the exception of Koharu I guess. They barely understand themselves (as we saw with Hozue in this chapter). Finally, have some empathy for others.

 

[Ingway]

I always find it kinda rare to see media portray a lack of not "forgiving" someone. Most act as if not forgiving someone means they're living in your head 24/7, as if you're cursed with some burden.

 

[Rafalga]

Last one being a straight up "fuck off" made it actually good instead of yet another "redemption with no work" shit show. That is probably the most common outcome in real life but this is a manga about healing after all.

 

[Zephyr]

Last one being a straight up "fuck off" made it actually good instead of yet another "redemption with no work" shit show. That is probably the most common outcome in real life but this is a manga about healing after all.

Yep. It's not a one-size-fits-all solution, which makes it feel more genuine and thoughtful as an overall resolution.

Koharu can forgive her easily, because she's coming at it from the angle of a 30-year-old woman with various regrets about her life - she's had more time to process and get over things, so rather than being hurt by Hozue glaring at her, she just thinks it's a shame that she fell out of touch with her friend from middle school. Another girl was hurt, but didn't take it super personally, and is mostly seems like she's just relieved that Hozue isn't going to be a huge bitch anymore. And then there's a third girl, who is still very upset, and refuses to let things go so easily.

These are all perfectly fine reactions to have, and the story is made stronger by including and accepting all three of them. It does help that, despite Hozue being a bully and making girls cry, she never quite escalated into the kind of targeted persistent harassment that makes bullying really dangerous and harmful. She didn't single people out and isolate them from the rest of the class - rather, her behaviour only served to isolate herself. The rest of the class rallied against her, if anything. Koharu took it the hardest, but that happened for a number of reasons, and can't fully be pinned on Hozue.

 

[velatic]

Do Japanese say "break a leg"?

yeah they said "ashi horobosu" to hype their friend

 

[Zenerz2]

I don't think you have to worry too much about being flamed, but I think you're having a bit of trouble with your English?

Using "satisfied" here would mean that you liked the chapter and feel good about how the story went. It suggests you had concerns about how the bullying was going to be handled, but that you're happy about how the story treated her.

This suggests the exact opposite. It would mean that you don't like how the story went, that you think this development is cheap, annoying, and fails to take the harms of bullying seriously.

This would mean both ideas at the same time, where you say the the tomboy's redemption is bullshit (bad) but that the writer did that intentionally and it's great writing (good). These aren't completely contradictory statements, but "bullshit" is quite a strong word, and would tend outweigh your more positive comments.

You also talk a bit about bullying in real life and redemption arcs in other stories, but you seem to come to any conclusions about them or relate them back to this story. So it's a bit hard to understand what your actual feelings are about the chapter. You come across as being quite ambivalent about it, having both positive and negative feelings, but then you make multiple statements about "not meaning to harm anyone with your words" and "getting flamed for your comment", which suggests that you believe this comment to be much more strongly negative or controversial than it actually is.

Thanks. I didn't thought about it.

 

[Zenerz2]

Well all I'll say is that the way you feel is okay but Hozue's story isn't about redemption but instead about showing what a true apology is. If someone is truly apologetic, then they don't need to be forgiven in order to move on. A real apology is about showing the people you hurt that you are trying to change for the better by acknowledging their feelings. After the apology it's about whether they actually do something.

On the flip side, no one has to forgive someone who is apologizing. Using your example, if someone killed tons of people then it wouldn't be crazy to never forgive them for that but if they truly changed and with the rest of their life fought to end world hunger, it would be crazy to say that they were a bad person til the day they died.

You never have to forgive people for what they have done BUT, if you don't give space for people to change then no one would ever have an incentive to be a better person. Wouldn't you want people to change for the better especially after they hurt you? Would you rather they continue hurting others just so that you can feel justified in never forgiving them?

P.S. There was no redemption for Hozue. Even though she apologized to the people she hurt she clearly still can't forgive herself, we don't see her trying to be better yet, and we don't see the rest of her class accepting her now that she's trying to change. Remember that in this story, they're all children with the exception of Koharu I guess. They barely understand themselves (as we saw with Hozue in this chapter). Finally, have some empathy for others.

True.

 

[Avonc4d0]

I was honestly a bit worried Hozue would be treated a bit too lightly but this chapter put that concern to rest. It makes more sense not everyone will immediately forgive her, and that includes me cuz while koharu would never blame any one person for her situation in the future, I'm of the belief that Hozue's actions paid no small contribution. Being a better person takes continuous effort and Hozue has a long road ahead of her.

 

[NotSomeone]

Really interesting parallel in the last panel here. She's heading towards the light on her own; one or two chapters ago, Koharu was pulling her towards that light.
It's a cool way of indicating that she's taking on the right path forward.

 

[NotSomeone]

After Years of being looked down, this chapter satisfied me tbh.

Now imagine that a person who used to bully you, years later suddenly shows up and apologizes to you for every harm done. In fiction, that sorry could have resolve everything and the bullied would accept it. But reality isn't often as sweet we think. The bullied would straight up crash out (valid tbf). Though there wasn't any bullying (I think) but tomboy's action were not justified at all. And I still hate when characters out of a sudden gets redeemed, even if they, let's say Killed an entire Nation (I may have exaggerated a bit, but you get my point). For me the Tomboy's Redemption is bullshit and I still don't like her at all (though the author did it intentionally, for which great writing as always or I am just an idiot, I think later makes sense). I always hate power hungry peoples and they always do is harm others for their fun. Her character has a simillar coincidence, but the same can be called for her lackeys, who shouldn't have any redemtion at all. Either way, I am looking forward to her future character arc.

TL;DR: The Tomboy's redemption (For me) is straight up BS.

P.S It would be fun to see a manga written on the perspective of a former bully. A silent voice do count but I want to read others to. And again pls read this and take this take with a grain of salt. I don't want to harm anybody here with my wordings or my saying. Afterall this is my opinion to begin with. And if u want to chatgpt the whole comment, do it. And I should mention it English is not my first language so my grammar or wordings will have some mistakes here and there.

Edit: I might get flamed with comments where it says I didn't read the chapter very well, to their dissapointment I did and saying on that basis. And they have every right to say that because they have free will

If you don't believe a high schooler can be redeemed from being kind of a dumbass, you need to do some soul searching or something.

 

[doomrider7]

If you don't believe a high schooler can be redeemed from being kind of a dumbass, you need to do some soul searching or something.

Agreed. It also implies that it's the moment in life when you stopped growing as a person when the reality is that growth NEVER stops.

 

[Strigxx]

he so strong, can lift koharu using only one hand and in this chapter, there is character development from hozue

thank you for translating

Must be trained by Machio san