Hope You're Happy, Lemon - Ch. 60

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

Teenagers are called teenagers because their ages are in the teens.

Some teenagers are by definition/legally considered children. Some teenagers are by definition/legally considered adults.

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages

teen·ag·er
/ˈtēˌnājər/
noun

1. a person aged between 13 and 19 years.
   "as a teenager she discovered she had a talent for dance"

And on this Canadian site it's defined as 3-17, because it's the grouping by age that matters. Students are young adults, it doesn't make sense to group them with middle- and high-schoolers. IIRC adulthood used to be granted at 20 or higher in the past, so it ,aybe made sense then to group them together, but if someone says "they were still teenagers" it just doesn't make sense to refer to legal adult as part of the same group as middle-schooler. If they're considered legally able to consent to all kinds of work, sex/porn, being in army, they aren't "just a teenager".

That's just wrong tho. Towards the end of your college years you are painfully aware of the difference in behaviour and reasoning between your peers and the new batch of freshmen. They seem closer to highscoolers than yourself.
But all of that is completely besides the point, which was originally that Lemon was a teenager (13 or so) when she broke up with Sunao, so her making weird decisions was both expected and excusable.

I don't really agree that her weird decisions were expected or excusable even at 13, but it's all too common for manga to have main characters behave in nonsensical or stupidly exaggerated way in first chapter to create story hook, then ignore or handwave it later as not that important. See for example Takamine-san's whole blackmail thing.

And I disagree with behavior and reasoning being that different between students in different years. Already by high-school your individual maturity is more important than your school year, and the whole "people younger than me are less mature" is common delusion that affects even people at 30-something. I bet if you took 20yo student and 20yo full-time working adult, they both would see much difference between their perspectives, and could both see the other one as less mature. It's a illusion of having slightly difference in experience and behavior as measure of adulthood or lack of it. Hell, people love to talk about the whole "brain maturing until 25" thing, yet there are many people in the world who are already accomplished members of society and family before that age, and tons of people who are still immature and childish at 30.

 

[animan095]

uhhhhhh yea no they are still considered adults by law, now if you mean emotionally because most adults aren't adults emotionally then yea I would agree with you but I don't think that's what you or some others are trying to state.....SOMEHOW you guys actually believe they are teenagers aka children even tho they are ADULTS..... ngl that thinking is kinda wild

I regret defending you

 

[dokidoki]

I regret defending you

when did you defend me? you also think these characters are not adults which is lmao

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

And on this Canadian site it's defined as 3-17, because it's the grouping by age that matters. Students are young adults, it doesn't make sense to group them with middle- and high-schoolers. IIRC adulthood used to be granted at 20 or higher in the past, so it ,aybe made sense then to group them together, but if someone says "they were still teenagers" it just doesn't make sense to refer to legal adult as part of the same group as middle-schooler. If they're considered legally able to consent to all kinds of work, sex/porn, being in army, they aren't "just a teenager".

I don't really agree that her weird decisions were expected or excusable even at 13, but it's all too common for manga to have main characters behave in nonsensical or stupidly exaggerated way in first chapter to create story hook, then ignore or handwave it later as not that important. See for example Takamine-san's whole blackmail thing.

And I disagree with behavior and reasoning being that different between students in different years. Already by high-school your individual maturity is more important than your school year, and the whole "people younger than me are less mature" is common delusion that affects even people at 30-something. I bet if you took 20yo student and 20yo full-time working adult, they both would see much difference between their perspectives, and could both see the other one as less mature. It's a illusion of having slightly difference in experience and behavior as measure of adulthood or lack of it. Hell, people love to talk about the whole "brain maturing until 25" thing, yet there are many people in the world who are already accomplished members of society and family before that age, and tons of people who are still immature and childish at 30.

I just skimmed through you novel, but basically it's about one Canadian site proving all English dictionaries wrong and some people being immature at 30 proving there's no maturity gained with age, right?

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

when did you defend me? you also think these characters are not adults which is lmao

Is it really that hard for you to understand that some categories aren't black and white, and you don't magically turn into an adult on the midnight of your 18th birthday? We're not discussing legal definitions, we're talking about capacity to make adult-like decisions, and that is a process far from done for most 18 year olds. Ask a hundred 49 year olds if an 18-yo is an adult or a kid, and at least 50 of em will tell you that's a kid. It talks like a kid, walks like a kid and thinks like a kid. Much like you.

 

[dokidoki]

Is it really that hard for you to understand that some categories aren't black and white, and you don't magically turn into an adult on the midnight of your 18th birthday? We're not discussing legal definitions, we're talking about capacity to make adult-like decisions, and that is a process far from done for most 18 year olds. Ask a hundred 49 year olds if an 18-yo is an adult or a kid, and at least 50 of em will tell you that's a kid. It talks like a kid, walks like a kid and thinks like a kid. Much like you.

Yea and like I've been saying for so many comments, that these characters are in college and that they are LEGALLY ADULTS and I agree with you which I have stated before that if we are talking MENTALLY then yea anyone can be considered a kid heck just like your probably a 50 year old dude who's mentally a child replying to my comment with a stupid take who clearly doesn't understand what I've been talking about even tho I've stated it like 10 times, I guess Reading isn't also your strong point either

 

[mgRdr]

The breaking up part was literally never the issue, but the making him believe she cheated on him with FOUR people, while breaking up was.

Perhaps for readers it was, but this chapter tells us that what ended up hurting him the most was the breakup itself. He still loved her and could not get over her, and the lie about four-timing - the lie he says he knew was a lie even back then - did not play much if any role until the moment he decided to force himself into believing it.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

Is it really that hard for you to understand that some categories aren't black and white, and you don't magically turn into an adult on the midnight of your 18th birthday? We're not discussing legal definitions, we're talking about capacity to make adult-like decisions, and that is a process far from done for most 18 year olds. Ask a hundred 49 year olds if an 18-yo is an adult or a kid, and at least 50 of em will tell you that's a kid. It talks like a kid, walks like a kid and thinks like a kid. Much like you.

Yes, you don't start maturing on the birthday, you start becoming adult years before. 16 year old are granted several rights in many countries, because they are already mature enough to start making important decisions and be trusted with responsibilities. Depending on country, right to work several jobs, right to drop out of school, right to drive car, right to consent to sex with adults of any age, right to take important medical decisions, all those are granted because high-schoolers start becoming adults way before their 18th birthday, despite the increasingly common and very stupid trend of infantilizing younger generations. And there is responsibility as well, being 16yo doesn't mean you won't get tried same way as adult, when your crime is sever enough.

And asking 49 year old who counts as adult is also quite dumb, many of them would say that even 26 year old counts as kid. Yet when you look at stuff like voting patterns by age groups, somehow often it turns out that those 49yo don't show their supposed maturity compared to other age groups.

If society (most of them) decided that 18+ age group as a whole is mature enough to have every legal right and responsibility of an adult, then it means they are on average mature enough to handle those rights, otherwise we'd push that age up to protect them from themselves.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

Yea and like I've been saying for so many comments, that these characters are in college and that they are LEGALLY ADULTS and I agree with you which I have stated before that if we are talking MENTALLY then yea anyone can be considered a kid heck just like your probably a 50 year old dude who's mentally a child replying to my comment with a stupid take who clearly doesn't understand what I've been talking about even tho I've stated it like 10 times, I guess Reading isn't also your strong point either

No one asked you if they're LEGALLY ADULTS, that's just something you started chanting after you threw a fit about 19 year olds not being teenagers. You and the other dimwit are just increadible at not understanding what the topic is.

Yes, you don't start maturing on the birthday, you start becoming adult years before. 16 year old are granted several rights in many countries, because they are already mature enough to start making important decisions and be trusted with responsibilities. Depending on country, right to work several jobs, right to drop out of school, right to drive car, right to consent to sex with adults of any age, right to take important medical decisions, all those are granted because high-schoolers start becoming adults way before their 18th birthday, despite the increasingly common and very stupid trend of infantilizing younger generations. And there is responsibility as well, being 16yo doesn't mean you won't get tried same way as adult, when your crime is sever enough.

And asking 49 year old who counts as adult is also quite dumb, many of them would say that even 26 year old counts as kid. Yet when you look at stuff like voting patterns by age groups, somehow often it turns out that those 49yo don't show their supposed maturity compared to other age groups.

If society (most of them) decided that 18+ age group as a whole is mature enough to have every legal right and responsibility of an adult, then it means they are on average mature enough to handle those rights, otherwise we'd push that age up to protect them from themselves.

The other dimwit, equally unable to comprehend that legal status as adult has nothing to do with your maturity and most 18 year old act as kids. I'm out, you two deserve each other.

 

[dokidoki]

No one asked you if they're LEGALLY ADULTS, that's just something you started chanting after you threw a fit about 19 year olds not being teenagers. You and the other dimwit are just increadible at not understanding what the topic is.

The other dimwit, equally unable to comprehend that legal status as adult has nothing to do with your maturity and most 18 year old act as kids. I'm out, you two deserve each other.

Stop being stupid, this whole thing started because some weirdo came up to me stating that lemon was a teenager and that what she did in the past did not matter

Infact I NEVER even STARTED this whole stupid conversation but instead it was a dude who replied to my comment on what I thought of the chapter

so yea I would LOVE IT if people would stop replying to me with their stupid comments because its a pain having to read things that make absolutely zero sense

 

[Phelgming]

And on this Canadian site it's defined as 3-17,

"A Child's Age and Stage of Development"​

It's a webpage about children; not a page about teenagers. It even talks about children before their teens because it's not about teenagers; just children in general. It states "13-17" because it's a page specifically about children. If it said "13-19", it wouldn't specifically be about children because, in Canada, you are considered an adult at 18 (despite, by definition, still being a teenager). A web page talking about child developmental psychology cutting off the age when a child stops being a child does NOT change the definition of the word "teenager".

You spend most of your time as a teenager as a child, but you still spend some of that time as an adult.It's JUST the definition of teenager. The literal definition that I even quoted for you. You can argue child/adult semanatics all you want, it doesn't matter; the definition of teenager is literally:

teen·ag·er
/ˈtēˌnājər/
noun

1. a person aged between 13 and 19 years.
   "as a teenager she discovered she had a talent for dance"