I Left my A-Rank Party to Help My Former Students Reach the Dungeon Depths! - Vol. 4 Ch. 49 - Simon's Iron Fist Punishment!

[MangaDex]

 

[ciera]

Noble = Bad

 

[Dwarfy2k]

What is it with series like this that have ex-party commits super serious crimes and they just get let free afterwards with essentially a slap on the wrist(they always get told something like exile or prison but then next panels they are free men still?) to then attempt/get revenge on mc.

This makes no sense that these guys are free after attempting to murder(Retract this part) the lower class adventurers on live broadcast and to steal their achievements.

We get this whole spiel about the seriousness of the fact they are A rank while doing this and causing international issue and then just let free even if for now this seems contrived.

Edit comment I need to retract the trying to murder part, I think I mixed up series then. Whoops my bad but all the other points still stand and doesn't make the other crimes any less problematic on severity.

 

[Nemo2342]

What is it with series like this that have ex-party commits super serious crimes and they just get let free afterwards with essentially a slap on the wrist(they always get told something like exile or prison but then next panels they are free men still?) to then attempt/get revenge on mc.

This makes no sense that these guys are free after attempting to murder the lower class adventurers on live broadcast and to steal their achievements.

We get this whole spiel about the seriousness of the fact they are A rank while doing this and causing international issue and then just let free even if for now this seems contrived.

"Former party becomes the long-term antagonists" is already such a tiresome trope, and it only gets worse when the author just keeps giving them get out of jail free cards because they can't think of any better way to keep them in the story.

Would it have seriously been that hard to actually punish these jackasses and THEN give them an evil backer to bring them back at a later date?

When this latest plot fails (and it will, this author doesn't have the chops to give the MC a real set back) it's going to be unsatisfying because the antagonists have never really had to put any effort into being a credible threat.

 

[Qelix]

So to get this straight: They are a Rank-A adventurer group. They spread racist slurs over mass media, but can't be put down by their bosses anymore, because it's the bosses boss's (king's) call, which makes the slurs even worse, as they are kind of official representives of the king/state (depending on the situation).

If that magic advanced civilisation has the magi-tech for broadcasting, how come they don't have a Red Phoneline for the King's Office to key locations in case some royal decrees or orders have to reach said key locations asap?
"They said that eventhough they are representing me? It's on tape? It's already spreading? For now put those fools on suspention and call the press to minimize the damage!" (suspention = no work, no licence to do other adventurer related jobs, they are a Rank-A party, so monitor them for goodness sake!)

But I like how this manga portrays people grown in a social climate of "Social standing is the most important thing". You could argue the members of Sandpike to be too stupid to live and unrealisticly stupid, but sadly some people, that kind of aloof and have lost touch with reality in such a way, do exist. Sandpike is a bit over the top, but real people like that do exist. This manga counts as social criticism.

 

[Qelix]

"Former party becomes the long-term antagonists" is already such a tiresome trope, and it only gets worse when the author just keeps giving them get out of jail free cards because they can't think of any better way to keep them in the story.

Would it have seriously been that hard to actually punish these jackasses and THEN give them an evil backer to bring them back at a later date?

When this latest plot fails (and it will, this author doesn't have the chops to give the MC a real set back) it's going to be unsatisfying because the antagonists have never really had to put any effort into being a credible threat.

Agreed. The author could have handeled that better.

 

[Nehona]

Yes this is getting really stupid to read.
And also... how are they THAT much retards? No seriously, have they lost every remaining brain cell?

And do we really need this fat clown becoming their sponsor? Please give us a decent villain who is actually smart, thank you very much.

 

[Dwarfy2k]

Yes this is getting really stupid to read.
And also... how are they THAT much retards? No seriously, have they lost every remaining brain cell?

And do we really need this fat clown becoming their sponsor? Please give us a decent villain who is actually smart, thank you very much.

Like seriously how did Simons group even with Red get to A rank to begin with? 1 person isn't going to be able to pick up the slack of the rest of the party to make them functional. I know he (Red) was boosting their abilities but not their intelligence which seems to be of a styrofoam cup so like yeah super contrived stupid writing.

Another another thing I just thought was that why would Simon on LIVE STREAM attempt to do what he did anyways? No matter the outcome it would hurt his reputation.

 

[blablablub]

Yeah, if authors of these "Exiled from party, but I'm the stongrest being to have ever lived" style mangas could just make the former party piss off that'd be great.

 

[Danwoo]

I do like this manga, but it is definitely at its worst when featuring sandpike party. Just get rid of them already author please! thanks for the chapter!

 

[LunaDelrey]

Remember when room temperature IQ used to be a character trait.... Pretty sure it's becoming infectious....

 

[Dwarfy2k]

Remember when room temperature IQ used to be a character trait.... Pretty sure it's becoming infectious....

I'm actively trying to remember the last time a series didn't have a 0 dimensional villain character/party and I don't think I can, it's quite frustrating lol

 

[Qelix]

Yeah, if authors of these "Exiled from party, but I'm the stongrest being to have ever lived" style mangas could just make the former party piss off that'd be great.

Nah. The idea behind "keeping the ex-party in game as villians or material for character growth" isn't bad at all. They know the MC's weaknesses and what triggers MC. They make for brilliant antagonistic material, IF they would be handled in the right way. But seemingly no manga or LN can get this part right.

As Darwf2k pointed out:
"Like seriously how did Simons group even with Red get to A rank to begin with?"

Their party should have had some skill and smarts to begin with. A smarter party would also make for better characters. Smart enough to cooparate with MC for sometime, but stupid enough to fall out with him/her. Slowly noticing their mistake. Coming back into MC's life, becoming plot for an arc (maybe even more) and then dropping out of the story for good. Nice, cute storyarc, right?

But somehow the ex-parties most of the times degrade into total morons. Like Sandpike. Or how about the ex-party of that guy in that other manga, who adopted that child. Before that he got cursed by his own team mates, reducing his existance to nearly nothing, his health reduced and nearly killed, because...they could not stomache seeing him die on one of their adventures, because they love him too much! He raised them as adventurers years before and as a thank they took away his means of earning an income and health, so he stops being an adventurer and can live a long fulfilling life (not).

Or that manga with that shield guy (not the shield hero, but a guy with a tank related skill), who wanted to cure his sister with a wish granted by a dungeon. And, and, and, ...
Maybe it really would be better if they would piss of right at the beginning. Getting their faces munched of by a mimic, MC would have identified or something.

 

[Dwarfy2k]

Nah. The idea behind "keeping the ex-party in game as villians or material for character growth" isn't bad at all. They know the MC's weaknesses and what triggers MC. They make for brilliant antagonistic material, IF they would be handled in the right way. But seemingly no manga or LN can get this part right.

Their party should have had some skill and smarts to begin with. A smarter party would also make for better characters. Smart enough to cooparate with MC for sometime, but stupid enough to fall out with him/her. Slowly noticing their mistake. Coming back into MC's life, becoming plot for an arc (maybe even more) and then dropping out of the story for good. Nice, cute storyarc, right?

But somehow the ex-parties most of the times degrade into total morons. Like Sandpike. Or how about the ex-party of that guy in that other manga, who adopted that child. Before that he got cursed by his own team mates, reducing his existance to nearly nothing, his health reduced and nearly killed, because...they could not stomache seeing him die on one of their adventures, because they love him too much! He raised them as adventurers years before and as a thank they took away his means of earning an income and health, so he stops being an adventurer and can live a long fulfilling life (not).

Or that manga with that shield guy (not the shield hero, but a guy with a tank related skill), who wanted to cure his sister with a wish granted by a dungeon. And, and, and, ...
Maybe it really would be better if they would piss of right at the beginning. Getting their faces munched of by a mimic, MC would have identified or something.

I totally agree that that ex-party trope could be well written, I just don't think I've seen a single series do it once and am starting to think I'll never see it happen.

For more examples of ex-parties not making sense you have the series "Tsuihou Sareta Onimotsu Tamer, Sekai Yuiitsu no Necromancer ni Kakusei Suru" that quite literally has them commiting crimes constantly that should have had them killed the first time let alone the like 5th time.

One of my issues with series like "A Rank Party wo Ridatsu Shita Ore wa, Moto Oshiego Tachi to Meikyuu Shinbu wo Mezasu" is that the MC will always be super OP yet somehow useless and use contrived reasons why they didn't seem OP. I remember one series actually had it that the MC wasn't allowed to attack how he wanted even though his magic was ineffective and didn't just use a different spell.

This series also did the stupid move of having the MC be overall OP not just as a support which begs why aren't all Red mages like that and not a super desired class? He's not even a mopey emo kid so it makes no sense why he was with the party so long while getting almost no money and spending what he got on items for the whole team? Especially when we know he had his other team he helped train who'd for sure help him out post leaving.

 

[Haezer]

Aw hell no not another stupid noble dude.

 

[walczyk]

Burn it with fire, this has gone so sour

 

[Zacoras]

Yes this is getting really stupid to read.
And also... how are they THAT much retards? No seriously, have they lost every remaining brain cell?

And do we really need this fat clown becoming their sponsor? Please give us a decent villain who is actually smart, thank you very much.

for me that noble is the point of no return for that group he can survive without losting everything or ending as criminal slaves

 

[ZaxaPac]

Right, guess I'm done with this series. Maybe I'll just put it On Hold instead of flat Dropped and then come back in a volume or so to see how things are going, but for right now this has gone too stupid for me.

 

[WryzUp]

I feel like a major issue with these “kicked out of the X party so I did Y to get Z” is the authors don’t put as much detail as they should into some scenes, and stretch out menial shit longer than it needs to be.

Imo the issue with this one is the author seems to be rushing the story along. Nothing wrong with fast character growth, but when you omit history between characters and rush the plot along at the same time it ends up as sloppy storytelling.

Not to mention, the only fight scene with any amount of fighting was the shadow stalker scene- which was caked in plot armor for all 4 and resulted in minimal character development besides “we all love each other and need to work together to overcome obstacles.”

I like the world and characters this author has created, but it’s a shame they’re a sloppy storyteller that can’t paint a clear picture of conflict and resolution.

Edit: Also worth noting; the author has effectively created an illusion of rules and authority for the guild. Citizens call for guild when in trouble, guild seems to be affiliated with the kingdom considering the Rank A conditions, and there’s a minimum standard you must meet to be an adventurer as well as rules to follow.

Yet that all goes out the window when a (Kingdom approved) Rank A adventurer that’s fallen from fame spews racist shit towards the stars of a live dungeon TV broadcast.

Just two knuckle sandwiches across the face and they’re right back at the bar. No suspension of license, no ban, no jail, no impounding of equipment. Nothing. And conveniently the fat bastard that wanted to party with the 3 girls is a rich noble that’ll sponsor them so they can “get their revenge”.

Which I predict, considering the plot armor up to this point, will make minimal conflict, and if there is major conflict, Clover will conveniently have the power and support to overcome it without casualty.

 

[Qelix]

Not to mention, the only fight scene with any amount of fighting was the shadow stalker scene- which was caked in plot armor for all 4 and resulted in minimal character development besides “we all love each other and need to work together to overcome obstacles.”

Uh.... in all honesty, I didn't notice the "the only fight scene and its filled with plot armor" until you pointed it out. I noticed the storytelling being thin, but now that you pointed those things out, I can't unsee them again. I don't dislike OP-MCs or such stories, but I dislike stories, that are so simple, the author can't even gloss over that fact. Harem stories are especally bad, but at least they all love each other I guess. ^^;

I like the world and characters this author has created, but it’s a shame they’re a sloppy storyteller that can’t paint a clear picture of conflict and resolution.

Edit: Also worth noting; the author has effectively created an illusion of rules and authority for the guild. Citizens call for guild when in trouble, guild seems to be affiliated with the kingdom considering the Rank A conditions, and there’s a minimum standard you must meet to be an adventurer as well as rules to follow.

Yet that all goes out the window when a (Kingdom approved) Rank A adventurer that’s fallen from fame spews racist shit towards the stars of a live dungeon TV broadcast.

Gene Roddenberry had his own rules for storytelling. I heard one of them is: "If you have established a fact in a plot, go with it until the end." So if the guild is the defacto authority, don't break that authority.

Spoiler: For example

Let the villians swindel their way around instead. Let that noble pay up a corrupt guildmember to free them from being monitored and let that noble replace their impounded equipment. Let them spout BS like,"If we create facts, the guild will have to go with it."