I Love Yu! - Vol. 1 Ch. 7 - A Salty-Sweet Temptation
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never understood the beta MC logic, so basically MCs in non-hentai mangas beta?
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Here's how a person would NOT be a "beta" in that situation
First: Don't freak out over sharing an ice cream cone, or a drink, or a bite of food or whatever bullshit you think is an "indirect kiss". The whole concept of an indirect kiss is dumb as shit prudishness.
Second: When a girl starts kissing and licking on your neck... A) If you're not interested, gently remove her and tell her firmly, "I'm sorry, but I don't have feelings toward you that way" or B) wrap your goddamn arms around her and start kissing her back.
You can do A or B and not be a beta.
This MC, however, appeared to just stand there in shock for as long as it took for her to slurp up all the ice cream from his neck, for his ice cream cone to melt, and then for her to start sucking on his fingers - this must be a good 20-30 seconds at a minimum where he just stands there completely shell-shocked, doing nothing. This is BETA behavior.
It's not as bad as like, freaking out and screaming and flinging yourself away from her with a nosebleed while apologizing and making excuses and throwing yourself into a dogeza (personally that kind of behavior is where it goes from "beta" to "beta-cuck", because at that point you're actively attempting to prevent yourself from advancing romantically -- see the Rental Girlfriend manga for examples).
An MC doesn't have to start fucking every girl in sight immediately to be alpha. All he has to do is be confident in who he is, even when he's around girls who are interested in him , and around girls that he is interested in himself.
So how could someone respond in a non-beta way? Here's just an example:
A girl suddenly grabs onto your arm and you feel her boobs pressing into you? Instead of starting to sweat while freaking out about something 'soft' touching him, how about an MC instead be like, "Wow, just couldn't wait to grab hold of me, could you? I'll make sure to return the favor later." or "Whoa! Good morning to you too, cutie. You sure smell nice today." or "Hey, I know I'm popular, but no jumping the line just because you're pretty! Oh well, I guess I'll make an exception for you today."
Or like, if the MC is out around town with a girl he likes, but it's early and there's been no romantic development yet and some idiot is like "Whoa, a boy and a girl together, this is OBVIOUSLY a date! (because, you know, no one could just be friends or whatever in Japan).. instead of stammering, "D-d-date!?!? N-no, we don't have any kind of relationship like that!", a real man would turn to the girl and say, "Well we were just hanging out, but how about we make it a date from here on out?", or to the person being an idiot and interfering, "Lucky me, right? I get to take a girl this pretty out on a date! Ah! So that's why you're sticking your nose in someone else's business -- you must be jealous!" (and then take her hand and walk away).
Anyway, there's all kinds of ways not to be a pussy, and for some reason there's lots of non-pussy guys when it comes to like, killing a dragon or taking down a mob boss, but very few MCs who can hold a girl's hand with the same kind of bravery, and it's really fucking sad.
First: Don't freak out over sharing an ice cream cone, or a drink, or a bite of food or whatever bullshit you think is an "indirect kiss". The whole concept of an indirect kiss is dumb as shit prudishness.
Second: When a girl starts kissing and licking on your neck... A) If you're not interested, gently remove her and tell her firmly, "I'm sorry, but I don't have feelings toward you that way" or B) wrap your goddamn arms around her and start kissing her back.
You can do A or B and not be a beta.
This MC, however, appeared to just stand there in shock for as long as it took for her to slurp up all the ice cream from his neck, for his ice cream cone to melt, and then for her to start sucking on his fingers - this must be a good 20-30 seconds at a minimum where he just stands there completely shell-shocked, doing nothing. This is BETA behavior.
It's not as bad as like, freaking out and screaming and flinging yourself away from her with a nosebleed while apologizing and making excuses and throwing yourself into a dogeza (personally that kind of behavior is where it goes from "beta" to "beta-cuck", because at that point you're actively attempting to prevent yourself from advancing romantically -- see the Rental Girlfriend manga for examples).
An MC doesn't have to start fucking every girl in sight immediately to be alpha. All he has to do is be confident in who he is, even when he's around girls who are interested in him , and around girls that he is interested in himself.
So how could someone respond in a non-beta way? Here's just an example:
A girl suddenly grabs onto your arm and you feel her boobs pressing into you? Instead of starting to sweat while freaking out about something 'soft' touching him, how about an MC instead be like, "Wow, just couldn't wait to grab hold of me, could you? I'll make sure to return the favor later." or "Whoa! Good morning to you too, cutie. You sure smell nice today." or "Hey, I know I'm popular, but no jumping the line just because you're pretty! Oh well, I guess I'll make an exception for you today."
Or like, if the MC is out around town with a girl he likes, but it's early and there's been no romantic development yet and some idiot is like "Whoa, a boy and a girl together, this is OBVIOUSLY a date! (because, you know, no one could just be friends or whatever in Japan).. instead of stammering, "D-d-date!?!? N-no, we don't have any kind of relationship like that!", a real man would turn to the girl and say, "Well we were just hanging out, but how about we make it a date from here on out?", or to the person being an idiot and interfering, "Lucky me, right? I get to take a girl this pretty out on a date! Ah! So that's why you're sticking your nose in someone else's business -- you must be jealous!" (and then take her hand and walk away).
Anyway, there's all kinds of ways not to be a pussy, and for some reason there's lots of non-pussy guys when it comes to like, killing a dragon or taking down a mob boss, but very few MCs who can hold a girl's hand with the same kind of bravery, and it's really fucking sad.
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"A girl suddenly grabs onto your arm and you feel her boobs pressing into you? Instead of starting to sweat while freaking out about something 'soft' touching him, how about an MC instead be like, "Wow, just couldn't wait to grab hold of me, could you? I'll make sure to return the favor later." or "Whoa! Good morning to you too, cutie. You sure smell nice today." or "Hey, I know I'm popular, but no jumping the line just because you're pretty! Oh well, I guess I'll make an exception for you today." "
oh god cringe
Also, why would he call her a "cutie" and "YOU SURE SMELL NICE TODAY" (oh dear god) when he's not interested in her romantically?
"A girl suddenly grabs onto your arm and you feel her boobs pressing into you? Instead of starting to sweat while freaking out about something 'soft' touching him, how about an MC instead be like, "Wow, just couldn't wait to grab hold of me, could you? I'll make sure to return the favor later." or "Whoa! Good morning to you too, cutie. You sure smell nice today." or "Hey, I know I'm popular, but no jumping the line just because you're pretty! Oh well, I guess I'll make an exception for you today." "
oh god cringe
Also, why would he call her a "cutie" and "YOU SURE SMELL NICE TODAY" (oh dear god) when he's not interested in her romantically?
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@LysandersTreason The guy just stays there while enjoying the girl licking him, that's not a beta thing, it's a normal thing. Why should he kiss back in that moment, while he can enjoy the pleasures of being licked by a beauty? Also, why should he refuse in that moment even if he doesn't think her that way? Let a man to have his own pleasure time. Btw he really went with the flow. If the lil sis wouldn't interfered, he probably would've kissed her back.
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@LysandersTreason You are putting WAY too much thought into a generic Japanese romcom.
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I realized from reading this chapter... I was totally a beta mc. Well... just completely shy and clueless anyways lol. Which is what I thought while reading this. She did everything but go down on him and he still didn't get the hint.
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Yeah man, most of us have been there. I know I have. I've been that shy and clueless guy. I remember bragging about being a virgin once to a group of girls at a party. That I was "saving myself" or some bullshit like that. I remember fingerbanging this country girl Annie - very Dukes of Hazzard, with daisy dukes and cowgirl boots, I mean we were just all over each other. She had my dick in her hands, I had my fingers up her twat and she was like "I want to have sex" and I said, "Sorry, but I'm a virgin, I don't do that" while she repeatedly asked for like, 30 minutes until she got pissed and asked me to take her home. Why did I do that? I have no fucking idea, I thought I was being a nice guy or something, I guess.
I've remember this one girl, Caroline, that I met a few years later in college. I'd left my virginity far behind, but I was still a beta pussy at this point. She would call me when she had been drinking, and ask if she could come over. As soon as she got to my place, she'd throw her clothes off, jump into my bed and literally beg me to fuck her - and I mean in the dirtiest, sluttiest way possible. But I was in my beta self-cucking white knight days! I was a GENTLEMAN. Oh no, I could not do such a thing to a girl that had been drinking! Meanwhile she's masturbating in front of me, moaning and writhing... oh, and of course I was head over heels for her. I wanted her to be my girlfriend. I wanted to date her. And surely, SURELY, she would be wooed by my gentlemanly ways and fall in love with me, right?
In the morning, her memories of the night before would be hazy, but after waking up naked in my bed next to me (and of course me with my clothes on!), she'd want to know if we had sex, and I told her no. And then a couple nights later, the same deal. Over and over again, for about two weeks. But she wasn't ready to date anyone, of course. And then after two weeks (and a half-dozen nights of her coming over)... she got a boyfriend. And that was that.
So after that I made a new rule, one that I would explain to women up front. -- If you get in my bed, you're consenting to sex. If you get in my bed and change your mind, you can walk out the door, but you can't ever come back.
Part of being a confident man is that you DO NOT have to put up with girls' bad behavior. Call them out on their shit. They won't hate you for it, and in fact they'll probably like you even more, because girls can't stand men that let women walk all over them.
Yeah man, most of us have been there. I know I have. I've been that shy and clueless guy. I remember bragging about being a virgin once to a group of girls at a party. That I was "saving myself" or some bullshit like that. I remember fingerbanging this country girl Annie - very Dukes of Hazzard, with daisy dukes and cowgirl boots, I mean we were just all over each other. She had my dick in her hands, I had my fingers up her twat and she was like "I want to have sex" and I said, "Sorry, but I'm a virgin, I don't do that" while she repeatedly asked for like, 30 minutes until she got pissed and asked me to take her home. Why did I do that? I have no fucking idea, I thought I was being a nice guy or something, I guess.
I've remember this one girl, Caroline, that I met a few years later in college. I'd left my virginity far behind, but I was still a beta pussy at this point. She would call me when she had been drinking, and ask if she could come over. As soon as she got to my place, she'd throw her clothes off, jump into my bed and literally beg me to fuck her - and I mean in the dirtiest, sluttiest way possible. But I was in my beta self-cucking white knight days! I was a GENTLEMAN. Oh no, I could not do such a thing to a girl that had been drinking! Meanwhile she's masturbating in front of me, moaning and writhing... oh, and of course I was head over heels for her. I wanted her to be my girlfriend. I wanted to date her. And surely, SURELY, she would be wooed by my gentlemanly ways and fall in love with me, right?
In the morning, her memories of the night before would be hazy, but after waking up naked in my bed next to me (and of course me with my clothes on!), she'd want to know if we had sex, and I told her no. And then a couple nights later, the same deal. Over and over again, for about two weeks. But she wasn't ready to date anyone, of course. And then after two weeks (and a half-dozen nights of her coming over)... she got a boyfriend. And that was that.
So after that I made a new rule, one that I would explain to women up front. -- If you get in my bed, you're consenting to sex. If you get in my bed and change your mind, you can walk out the door, but you can't ever come back.
Part of being a confident man is that you DO NOT have to put up with girls' bad behavior. Call them out on their shit. They won't hate you for it, and in fact they'll probably like you even more, because girls can't stand men that let women walk all over them.
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I definitely don't want ultimate asshole MCs... But I'll tell you what, I did find a pretty decent isekai MC recently - An Ossan in counterwold! Well, there's no romance in it, but you can tell he's actually pretty mature. Basically what I want is someone who displays that kind of confident-but-not-overbearing attitude toward romance as well.
I definitely don't want ultimate asshole MCs... But I'll tell you what, I did find a pretty decent isekai MC recently - An Ossan in counterwold! Well, there's no romance in it, but you can tell he's actually pretty mature. Basically what I want is someone who displays that kind of confident-but-not-overbearing attitude toward romance as well.
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What's funny is even the girl sucking on his fingers realizes it... saying, "Don't tell me, he's a late bloomer?" basically saying he's slow to mature and inexperienced/shy. And immaturity and such is also a trait of a beta male.
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