I don't recall chapter 26 as part of the novel, but might have read it again. Still it was so gooood. I loved it!! This talk was what got readers hooked to the novel as they realized the sadness and truth behind rei's goofy behaviour. Loving the manga a lot!!!!
I'm in Love with the Villainess - Vol. 2 Ch. 7 - To be a Lily
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@thegiantpossum do you really think that blush belongs to a straight woman after
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standing up for her newly acquired homosexual servant
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Holy excuses batman
You're either sidestepping the issue I have, or you're interpreting that I take issue with this aspect of the story as a condemnation of the story as a whole. Nothing you said addresses my main issue, which is that:
-A person who is not Rei calls out Claire for thinking lesbians just assault people, and *specifically* calls her out for having no reason to think that way - in particular, she calls Claire out for being out of line in the way she rejects Rei, *heavily* insinuating that Rei hasn't done anything to warrant that.
-That means a person who has been routinely sexually harrassed (in a way that was portrayed as comedic and not-serious) is now having that harassment trivialized, even implied as never happening.
-I am
-I don't care that she had a rough life before. I am specifically taking issue with the narrative for making this a comedic, light-hearted romp, and then suddenly getting serious but ONLY in how Claire has treated Rei. Rei's treatment of Claire is brushed over.
-to reiterate - my problem is that the story's decision to get somber forces me to perceive Rei's previous actions in a negative light. If the story is serious now, if we're talking suicide and bullying, then I HAVE to take nonconsensual touching seriously too. The story wants me to ignore that, and I can't.
You're saying you know which you would take "more" seriously and I'm saying I have to take them all seriously *because the story has decided to be serious now*. This is what people talk about with (gag, I seriously hate this meme) "cool tragic back story, still murder." Okay yeah sure she was ignoring someone clearly telling her to stop it but look at how much Rei suffered before. Clair should suck it up.
I wrote all this while only halfway through your post before I realized I think you mixed up who you were tagging, and probably that first paragraph was meant for me, not freiza. Sorry about that. But I've spent too much time to not post this
Holy excuses batman
You're either sidestepping the issue I have, or you're interpreting that I take issue with this aspect of the story as a condemnation of the story as a whole. Nothing you said addresses my main issue, which is that:
-A person who is not Rei calls out Claire for thinking lesbians just assault people, and *specifically* calls her out for having no reason to think that way - in particular, she calls Claire out for being out of line in the way she rejects Rei, *heavily* insinuating that Rei hasn't done anything to warrant that.
-That means a person who has been routinely sexually harrassed (in a way that was portrayed as comedic and not-serious) is now having that harassment trivialized, even implied as never happening.
-I am
-I don't care that she had a rough life before. I am specifically taking issue with the narrative for making this a comedic, light-hearted romp, and then suddenly getting serious but ONLY in how Claire has treated Rei. Rei's treatment of Claire is brushed over.
-to reiterate - my problem is that the story's decision to get somber forces me to perceive Rei's previous actions in a negative light. If the story is serious now, if we're talking suicide and bullying, then I HAVE to take nonconsensual touching seriously too. The story wants me to ignore that, and I can't.
You're saying you know which you would take "more" seriously and I'm saying I have to take them all seriously *because the story has decided to be serious now*. This is what people talk about with (gag, I seriously hate this meme) "cool tragic back story, still murder." Okay yeah sure she was ignoring someone clearly telling her to stop it but look at how much Rei suffered before. Clair should suck it up.
I wrote all this while only halfway through your post before I realized I think you mixed up who you were tagging, and probably that first paragraph was meant for me, not freiza. Sorry about that. But I've spent too much time to not post this
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@BalrogDeMorgoth i wouldn't call it blackmail...
it will show what they actually talked in there in the future.
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I'm late to this chapter and there's a million comments, so I'm just gonna add to the masses of people baffled at seeing a few (and I do mean just a few, thankfully) people complain about "politics" or "agendas" or whatever nonsense their bigoted asses wanna call it in a fucking LGBT+ manga... Like, WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU WERE READING?? In-fucking-credible.
Get your fetishizing bs outta here, there's plenty of horny manga or even just porn for you to read/watch if you wanna treat people as mere objects for you to gawk at that should never express any opinions (even extremely mild ones like the ones in this chapter, there's nothing crazy being said, it's basic stuff, just said in a good way). I mean, come on! Get outta heeeeeere.
As for the story itself, it's good to see that Rei, despite not being confident in her feelings (she won't give love a real try), is at least confident in her sexuality, which is refreshing for a yuri manga. Though, ofc, it's also a little sad that people immediately judged her. But cool to see Claire stand up for her!
Get your fetishizing bs outta here, there's plenty of horny manga or even just porn for you to read/watch if you wanna treat people as mere objects for you to gawk at that should never express any opinions (even extremely mild ones like the ones in this chapter, there's nothing crazy being said, it's basic stuff, just said in a good way). I mean, come on! Get outta heeeeeere.
As for the story itself, it's good to see that Rei, despite not being confident in her feelings (she won't give love a real try), is at least confident in her sexuality, which is refreshing for a yuri manga. Though, ofc, it's also a little sad that people immediately judged her. But cool to see Claire stand up for her!
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This chapter hitted DEEP into my cold, gay heart.
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@Lemongrassv Where is the nonconsensual touching? Rei has gotten multiple nosebleeds from looking at Claire, but she has never touched Claire sexually. The most she's gone for is a hug in chapter 1 and she held her hands once or twice.
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Scanning chapter one I see nonconsensual touching on page 3, 8, 20, and 22. Rei starts chapter two out with that tackle (hug?) and ends it by showing up at Claire's bedroom and going for another hug.
I'm not going to go through the whole story but it's pretty blatant. I think @Lemongrassv is on point with:
Scanning chapter one I see nonconsensual touching on page 3, 8, 20, and 22. Rei starts chapter two out with that tackle (hug?) and ends it by showing up at Claire's bedroom and going for another hug.
I'm not going to go through the whole story but it's pretty blatant. I think @Lemongrassv is on point with:
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@Je_ez Ah okay I see where you are coming from. I don't really see a problem with it as long as this gets addressed later on in the story. Just like this is Claire's moment to learn, Rei can have a moment to learn as well. Saying that the story is wants us to ignore her violating Claire's personal space is a bit much considering there are only 7 chapters. And to be fair, she also hasn't done that since the first 1 or 2 chapters, implying that she may have realized her faults. Of course if it was never addressed and Rei continued to engage in skinship with Claire while Claire told her to stop, that would be an issue. Basically I'm saying that it is too early to assume that the story wants you to ignore that. It is quite possible that the story could address this in a later chapter, either through Rei admitting that what she was doing was wrong or another discussion. People can make stupid mistakes and violate people's personal space, but since it was pretty much capped at hand holding and 2 hug attempts (which were technically gags, as in she went for a hug so that she could get tea poured on her,) it isn't something that should be perceived as criminally wrong.
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@WhereTheYuriAt Well fucking said.
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I wonder if it will reach 400 comments haha
@Xgrim6665 "writeing" Also some people can take this weirdly due to the switch it had from "comedy" to serious themes and even suicide later , seems u did not even read this chapter.
@Xgrim6665 "writeing" Also some people can take this weirdly due to the switch it had from "comedy" to serious themes and even suicide later , seems u did not even read this chapter.
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well we all know that some people thing gay tookens or queer bating is “good representation” I had seen this in games and especialy TV shows/series/movies and other media and it’s really dumb with how they just push an agenda for the sake of one not to make an character with personality, thous character personality is their sexuality, and it’s quite glaring to see, so I kinda understand way some people will see it that way with this chapter, but in Japan their haven’t yet accepted LGBT people so this chapter is for thous readers in japan, to send an message that bulling LGBT people ain’t ok etc.
I also like that Rei call BS on the “Love has no gender” when the majority of humans ar straigh and then we also have gay people that for them gender does matter since they only have same sex partners/lovers
well we all know that some people thing gay tookens or queer bating is “good representation” I had seen this in games and especialy TV shows/series/movies and other media and it’s really dumb with how they just push an agenda for the sake of one not to make an character with personality, thous character personality is their sexuality, and it’s quite glaring to see, so I kinda understand way some people will see it that way with this chapter, but in Japan their haven’t yet accepted LGBT people so this chapter is for thous readers in japan, to send an message that bulling LGBT people ain’t ok etc.
I also like that Rei call BS on the “Love has no gender” when the majority of humans ar straigh and then we also have gay people that for them gender does matter since they only have same sex partners/lovers
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wasn't expecting this to be so well informed!
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While I haven't read through the entire comment thread, so I can't speak to the arguments made, I will say that I think some context is being missed.
The point being made in the chapter isn't what was done, but rather who it was done by. When Misha calls out Claire, she isn't saying that what Rei was doing was right or wrong, but rather that her reaction to it was informed by prejudice. Claire wasn't disgusted by what Rei was doing until she learned that she was gay.
Whether or not the non-consensual touching was okay or not is certainly a good discussion to be had, but it's not entirely relevant. While I can't speak in full confidence as to how often this happens other places, having experienced this kind of stuff as a girl, I can say full well that it probably isn't all that uncommon in the setting.
What's important to hone in on is who is doing it, not the action itself. Having gone through it first hand, it is incredibly alienating knowing that if everyone knew you were gay what was "messing around" a moment ago would suddenly turn into you being a perv. It fucking sucks knowing that you have a choice between being true to yourself, or being able to keep those close bonds with other people.
Which is the point being made in the chapter. Not whether or not the touching was right, but rather that Claire's reaction to it suddenly changed upon learning that Rei was gay. Before, it was comedic and "in good fun," but upon learning about Rei's sexuality, now her chastity is suddenly in danger.
While I haven't read through the entire comment thread, so I can't speak to the arguments made, I will say that I think some context is being missed.
The point being made in the chapter isn't what was done, but rather who it was done by. When Misha calls out Claire, she isn't saying that what Rei was doing was right or wrong, but rather that her reaction to it was informed by prejudice. Claire wasn't disgusted by what Rei was doing until she learned that she was gay.
Whether or not the non-consensual touching was okay or not is certainly a good discussion to be had, but it's not entirely relevant. While I can't speak in full confidence as to how often this happens other places, having experienced this kind of stuff as a girl, I can say full well that it probably isn't all that uncommon in the setting.
What's important to hone in on is who is doing it, not the action itself. Having gone through it first hand, it is incredibly alienating knowing that if everyone knew you were gay what was "messing around" a moment ago would suddenly turn into you being a perv. It fucking sucks knowing that you have a choice between being true to yourself, or being able to keep those close bonds with other people.
Which is the point being made in the chapter. Not whether or not the touching was right, but rather that Claire's reaction to it suddenly changed upon learning that Rei was gay. Before, it was comedic and "in good fun," but upon learning about Rei's sexuality, now her chastity is suddenly in danger.
Owo, people reading this for the first time are in for a ride. I highly recommend the novel by Inori-sensei, real great stuff. Here's the link of the translation if anybody want to give it a go:
https://jingletranslations.wordpress.com/i-favor-the-villainess/
https://jingletranslations.wordpress.com/i-favor-the-villainess/
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does anyone know how accurate the translation of page 13 is?
