Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi o Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 43 - The Pride of the Lecturing Girls

[UdenEmpati]

Not really yami literally plotted things to go to sh!t with her bipolar nature though she had some moments of genuinely wanting good but usually only after messing something up

And yet, if Yuu had taken the step forward to speak up about his feelings for Hikari back when he'd first fully fallen for her in middle school instead of just hiding behind his unilateral decision that "she was too good for him", then even if she'd shot him down at the time, he'd have had a buffer before ever running into Ayami.

If Hikari, upon falling for Yuu after he'd reentered her life post-Ayami (where we start the series) had confessed then and there instead of hesitating and playing the "make him notice me" game and waiting for some poetic moment like the festival dance, then the subject of Ayami might have arisen earlier on, and they could have tackled that before Ayami was fully in Hikari's life and the timbre of that relationship would have changed.

I'm not going to put everything Ayami did here because 1) the word limit isn't high enough, and 2) I think you're already set on Ayami being at fault so I assume you have a litany of examples in the chamber ready to go, anyway.

My point is, over the whole of the story and timeline, each of them have a hand in the current situation arising. People can make a case that one or another of the three main characters carry more blame, but I don't even think that's a productive conversation at this point, because all that does is score Internet points for the readers, and does nothing to resolve what's currently happening in the narrative.

But they each do need to realize their part in this, and find some way to come together and convince the others to listen and talk this out, if this is going to be resolved.

 

[peortega1]

The way this story is being written, the only 2 outcomes possible are:
1. Yuu x Aya
2. No pairing at all

Everyone is too sympathetic and understanding of Aya to not be a way for the author to clear up the way for a re-connection with Yuu.

You forgot the third option, already foreshadowed by Yami in chapter 39: POLYAMORY. HAREM ENDING. TWO-TIMING RELATIONSHIP.
Hikari as good daughter of Setsuna definitely is dispossed, seeing how even in chapter 41 she seemed genuinely worried by Yami and saying "you are not a bad girl, let to wound yourself faking you are a whore, you are not a whore, Aya chan you are a good person, you really love Taa-kun"

 

[peortega1]

I genuely think Yuu and Yami are a better match given how way more easily they could confide in one another

Because she is a dominant girl and he is a submissive boy. They in their roles of Kamiya and Izumi are much compatible and have a better chemistry than Hikari the passive shojo girl waiting for a "charming prince"

 

[peortega1]

Funny how even the characters acknowledge how this is all Yuu's fault for being a dumbass and failing his entrance exams.

Well, failing his entrance exams are definitely the reason why Yami could ghost him in first place, she definitely couldn´t escape from him and vanish if they were in the same school.
He even admits it in chapter 26 when he says if he would approve his entrance exams, "I would be your classmate too, Yami-senpai".

 

[mug3n]

If you remember the name of the manga, ping it my way. I love manga like that

Found it https://mangadex.org/title/a342720b-c506-41ad-b6ec-9b87aa30d804/namaiki-asahi-chan-wo-wakarasetai

I want to pinch her cheeks when she starts to be a goblin.

 

[UdenEmpati]

To both MrPerson0 and Riazuri - I think Yuu does love Hikari, but he's loved her for so long and idolized her for so long that he's not paying attention as much to the girl she truly is. Also, I think he can love Hikari but still be concerned for Yami. Just because he still cares about Yami doesn't mean his love for Hikari is less.

my stance on the "asking to look after Ayami but not Hikari" is borne out solely by the fact that it was notable enough for Haru and Yuki to highlight it at the end of this chapter.
Yes, rationally, Yuu deeming Ayami as more of a risk and in need of focus makes perfect sense, and from our bird's eye view, it absolutely doesn't mean that he's not caring anything of Hikari's situation or how she's faring.

But in-story, his saying nothing at all about Hikari's situation, could be read as him repeating his past mistakes of just simply assuming she's fine because he holds her in such high regard, without considering that she's maybe actually hurting a lot, and would like to hear that her childhood friend is thinking of her.

The fact that Haru shouts that Yuki better not say anything about that omission to Hikari, makes me think that's the angle being suggested, as well.

It's not that Yuu doesn't care about her - it's that he just assumes she's fine and that the focus should be on Ayami, never seeming to even consider that this might not actually be the case. It's not quite dismissive of the validity of her being a person capable of feeling pain, but it's strangely incongruent against his constant refrain of having loved her for years.

You'd think that if he did, then no matter how well he knows/trusts her, he'd at least speak the thought aloud to worry about her in the same sentence as his ex.

But independent of how it comes across to the reader, I think it's significant for the story and characters and plot going forward, if only because it was highlighted within the chapter itself.

 

[peortega1]

But yeah, you can do both things, I don't know why everything has to be binary.

So, Koisuru Metronome again. Remember Yami was reading exactly that manga in chapter 26. She is a big fan from Utaha-senpai from Saekano.

 

[peortega1]

But independent of how it comes across to the reader, I think it's significant for the story and characters and plot going forward, if only because it was highlighted within the chapter itself.

Or could be a hint he really managed to talk with Hikari in these days.
And of course, he having with Hikari their equivalent to the Haruki-Setsuna conversation in the train road to Narita airport wouldn´t unactivate the power of Yami over BOTH them.
But Yami as villain needs definitely prove she is able to still play even with Yuu and Hikari working together around her and knowing all the history. Like Kazusa reached fuck so easily the things again with just appear before Haruki and Setsuna in the airport.

 

[Starbright]

And yet, if Yuu had taken the step forward to speak up about his feelings for Hikari back when he'd first fully fallen for her in middle school instead of just hiding behind his unilateral decision that "she was too good for him", then even if she'd shot him down at the time, he'd have had a buffer before ever running into Ayami.

If Hikari, upon falling for Yuu after he'd reentered her life post-Ayami (where we start the series) had confessed then and there instead of hesitating and playing the "make him notice me" game and waiting for some poetic moment like the festival dance, then the subject of Ayami might have arisen earlier on, and they could have tackled that before Ayami was fully in Hikari's life and the timbre of that relationship would have changed.

I'm not going to put everything Ayami did here because 1) the word limit isn't high enough, and 2) I think you're already set on Ayami being at fault so I assume you have a litany of examples in the chamber ready to go, anyway.

My point is, over the whole of the story and timeline, each of them have a hand in the current situation arising. People can make a case that one or another of the three main characters carry more blame, but I don't even think that's a productive conversation at this point, because all that does is score Internet points for the readers, and does nothing to resolve what's currently happening in the narrative.

But they each do need to realize their part in this, and find some way to come together and convince the others to listen and talk this out, if this is going to be resolved.

Not all are guilty party in this Hikari is totally innocent, while yuu is guilty lying to Hikari and second part easily giving himself to another girl when he says he's in love with Hikari. While yami has had clear intent to mess things up and hurt people. So not all have blame in this and in yami case she had intent to create a problem.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Not all are guilty party in this Hikari is totally innocent, while yuu is guilty lying to Hikari and second part easily giving himself to another girl when he says he's in love with Hikari. While yami has had clear intent to mess things up and hurt people. So not all have blame in this and in yami case she had intent to create a problem.

Okay, if you're just going to outright ignore what I'm saying to repeatedly push your own interpretation then I don't see the point in continuing a discussion here.

 

[GennArc]

But in-story, his saying nothing at all about Hikari's situation, could be read as him repeating his past mistakes of just simply assuming she's fine because he holds her in such high regard, without considering that she's maybe actually hurting a lot, and would like to hear that her childhood friend is thinking of her.

I agree with most of what you wrote, but when you say "repeating his past mistakes of just simply assuming she's fine", what are you referring to? When did he do it before?

 

[Loliconi]

Some really interesting discussions and thoughts being throw around here

But the most obvious answer still is Yami has massive issues and needs actual professional help.
Being with him is the worst anyone could do here.

Hikari should stay away from Yami and him. She absolutely deserves better and is the only one with no fault at this situation.
Unfortunately got involuntarily involved in two greedy spineless downers‘ unnecessary tragedy

They are young. Dude fucked up hard. You move on and live and learn.

 

[mug3n]

So, Koisuru Metronome again. Remember Yami was reading exactly that manga in chapter 26. She is a big fan from Utaha-senpai from Saekano.

I don't know about that one, I don't know what the reference is. It's just I find jarring saying someone stops loving someone when your focus at the moment is another person. It's true in this case you could say in the end he might care more because he loves aya more, but that doesn't invalidate his feelings for Hikari.

 

[Starbright]

Okay, if you're just going to outright ignore what I'm saying to repeatedly push your own interpretation then I don't see the point in continuing a discussion here.

What exactly am I ignoring even your not going say who has more blame you still place while I state Hikari is absolutely innocent in this. Could Hikari of done things differently to be proactive to get Yuu sure but by not doing this blame of actual wrongdoing falls on them. Also even if Hikari was proactive with what's yami shown it's likely she would still try to mess with their relationship and Hikari happiness.

 

[peortega1]

I don't know about that one, I don't know what the reference is.

https://mangadex.org/title/7b2c558b.../saenai-kanojono-sodatekata-koisuru-metronome
Is an If Route Manga for Saekano where Utaha, the cool hot senpai character, wins because the MC, Tomoya, never met the canonical winner title heroine Megumi Katou
Ayami reads precisely that manga with Yuu in chapter 26, her first chapter as "official" girlfriend of Yuu.
So, she definitely has the meta knolewdge and is fully aware where she is playing.

It's just I find jarring saying someone stops loving someone when your focus at the moment is another person. It's true in this case you could say in the end he might care more because he loves aya more, but that doesn't invalidate his feelings for Hikari.

Of course. As I said in earlier posts, Yuu definitely can loves two girls at the same time, even more if he never was infidel to nobody and he just had bad luck.

 

[Loliconi]

I don't know about that one, I don't know what the reference is. It's just I find jarring saying someone stops loving someone when your focus at the moment is another person. It's true in this case you could say in the end he might care more because he loves aya more, but that doesn't invalidate his feelings for Hikari.

It absolutely does to Hikari tho. That is the major part you guys are missing.
Both MCs know about Yami‘s exaggerated self inflicted demise and her actually planning this stuff out.
He did the whole time and yearned for her over the moment with Hikari. You can be concerned without putting it above your supposed life long crush and making it your life‘s sole mission.
But that is just one way to look at it.

Getting to know everything he kept from her. Sure, he had no obligation to tell Hikari but he was pretty much living a double life to her.

Seeing the kiss that was in no way unavoidable. And then being confessed to by him.
You can confidently argue he has feelings for both of them but, again, to Hikari it all is muddled with this nasty vile veil of deceit and dismissive treatment.

At that point asking if it ever was anything more than a tiny children’s crush is more than appropriate.

 

[Insev]

best only girl has returned (click to zoom)

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[mug3n]

You can confidently argue he has feelings for both of them but, again, to Hikari it all is muddled with this nasty vile veil of deceit and dismissive treatment.

We have been discussing this for so long I don't remember talking about this, I mostly agree but I don't in the part of "vile" and "dismissive". I could had that feel before knowing Yuu better but is just passiveness and self pitying. I can't really be mad to him for being a wuss knowing his low self esteem, even if sometimes want to slap and startle him back to reality. I don't see malice in him is what I'm saying, he is not a player or a total opportunist who thinks only for himself for selfish reasons, he just doesn't know what to do.

At that point asking if it ever was anything more than a tiny children’s crush is more than appropriate.

It's the point of the whole story. It's children's first love and because of that is very clumsy and unnecesary messy, but that's the charm of it.

 

[mug3n]

how do you post images like this without that bad imgur frame?

proably not using imgur, it's screenshots uploaded through the forum's attachment system. Just be aware it consumes the site's storage, that's why it's preferable to use external sources.

 

[HellJester]

There is the other part some of us have been saying for a while of him recognizing in the end his feelings for Yami are stronger in the end. Despite of making jokes of Hikari leaving the ball of negativity these 2 are and flying free, I genuely think Yuu and Yami are a better match given how way more easily they could confide in one another. But yeah, you can do both things, I don't know why everything has to be binary.

Considering he's actually had a romantic relationship with Yami and his relationship with Hikari so far has only been friendship, it wouldn't be surprising if Maruto ends up revealing that Yuu's feelings for Yami are stronger than Hikari. Time will tell.