Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 29 - As The Short Journey Ends (Second Half)

[Deadlybat]

I feel like we are not getting anywhere because it still seems like not hurting Hikari is number one priority for everyone in your opinion.

Okay, let's speak hypothetically. Let's say Yuu went to look for Yami in order to reconnect with her romantically. He confessed that he still loves her and wants her back.
What should Yami do in your opinion? Should she still bow out because she knows Hikari is in love with Yuu in order not to betray her?

I understand what you're trying to convey with the hypothetical, but I think it’s important to focus on the fact that Yami and Yuu are aware of the situation, and Hikari is not. Hikari doesn’t know that Yami and Yuu used to date, and that’s the crucial point here for me. If Yuu confesses his love for Yami and they decide to reconnect, that’s a significant decision, but both Yami and Yuu chose not to be honest with Hikari about their past. Yami knew Hikari’s feelings for Yuu and still didn’t share the truth with her, and Yuu never told Hikari about his history with Yami, even though he had the opportunity to do so when he was reluctant to go to their school. This secrecy is what led to Hikari feeling betrayed and hurt.

It’s not about Yami suppressing her feelings or avoiding her happiness, but about being honest with Hikari. Yami knows how much Hikari cares for Yuu, and she considers Hikari her best friend, so it would have been a more considerate and respectful choice to be open with her. Yuu, as Hikari’s childhood friend, could have also been open about his history with Yami. It would have been a thoughtful thing to do, given the circumstances, but he chose not to. This lack of transparency from both of them is what caused Hikari’s pain.

While Yuu may not have known about Hikari’s feelings, his decision not to share the past with her, along with Yami’s, contributed to the betrayal. So, it’s not just about prioritizing Hikari’s feelings—it’s about the responsibility both Yami and Yuu had to be more open with her. The lack of honesty from both sides is what ultimately led to the hurt and confusion Hikari is now experiencing.

 

[InformerMaz]

I understand what you're trying to convey with the hypothetical, but I think it’s important to focus on the fact that Yami and Yuu are aware of the situation, and Hikari is not. Hikari doesn’t know that Yami and Yuu used to date, and that’s the crucial point here for me. If Yuu confesses his love for Yami and they decide to reconnect, that’s a significant decision, but both Yami and Yuu chose not to be honest with Hikari about their past. Yami knew Hikari’s feelings for Yuu and still didn’t share the truth with her, and Yuu never told Hikari about his history with Yami, even though he had the opportunity to do so when he was reluctant to go to their school. This secrecy is what led to Hikari feeling betrayed and hurt.

It’s not about Yami suppressing her feelings or avoiding her happiness, but about being honest with Hikari. Yami knows how much Hikari cares for Yuu, and she considers Hikari her best friend, so it would have been a more considerate and respectful choice to be open with her. Yuu, as Hikari’s childhood friend, could have also been open about his history with Yami. It would have been a thoughtful thing to do, given the circumstances, but he chose not to. This lack of transparency from both of them is what caused Hikari’s pain.

While Yuu may not have known about Hikari’s feelings, his decision not to share the past with her, along with Yami’s, contributed to the betrayal. So, it’s not just about prioritizing Hikari’s feelings—it’s about the responsibility both Yami and Yuu had to be more open with her. The lack of honesty from both sides is what ultimately led to the hurt and confusion Hikari is now experiencing.

I just want to add onto this: I know how it feels, personally. It's not necessarily the actions that hurt - it's the feeling that your friends (one being an ex in my case) kept that information from you. If they were just honest with me from the get-go, it wouldn't have been as blind-siding as it was.

For me, I still ended up being friends with the two of them, but it took a little while before I got that feeling of betrayal out of my mouth, per se. I can see this story taking a similar angle, where Hikari, feeling betrayed, kind of pushes the two away.

I can also see Yuu and Yami rekindle their relationship, possibly to the detriment to the two of them. It feels like their relationship is not particularly healthy for either of them, where Yami becomes co-dependent on Yuu; whereas Yuu, while initially fine with such a responsibility, eventually becomes worn down from having to be a constant in her life. I can see Hikari being more receptive to reconciling with Yuu, at first. But as soon as she hears how bad it's been for Yami - they, too, reconcile as well. Or something like that, lol.

 

[GennArc]

I understand what you're trying to convey with the hypothetical, but I think it’s important to focus on the fact that Yami and Yuu are aware of the situation, and Hikari is not. Hikari doesn’t know that Yami and Yuu used to date, and that’s the crucial point here for me. If Yuu confesses his love for Yami and they decide to reconnect, that’s a significant decision, but both Yami and Yuu chose not to be honest with Hikari about their past. Yami knew Hikari’s feelings for Yuu and still didn’t share the truth with her, and Yuu never told Hikari about his history with Yami, even though he had the opportunity to do so when he was reluctant to go to their school. This secrecy is what led to Hikari feeling betrayed and hurt.

It’s not about Yami suppressing her feelings or avoiding her happiness, but about being honest with Hikari. Yami knows how much Hikari cares for Yuu, and she considers Hikari her best friend, so it would have been a more considerate and respectful choice to be open with her. Yuu, as Hikari’s childhood friend, could have also been open about his history with Yami. It would have been a thoughtful thing to do, given the circumstances, but he chose not to. This lack of transparency from both of them is what caused Hikari’s pain.

While Yuu may not have known about Hikari’s feelings, his decision not to share the past with her, along with Yami’s, contributed to the betrayal. So, it’s not just about prioritizing Hikari’s feelings—it’s about the responsibility both Yami and Yuu had to be more open with her. The lack of honesty from both sides is what ultimately led to the hurt and confusion Hikari is now experiencing.

I understand your point but I still don't understand what she should do in that hypothetical scenario I mentioned.

Should she stop his confession and say "Wait, Yuu, we need to find Hikari first and tell her everything"? And then they go together, tell her everything (she will be almost equally hurt but now she is informed!) and after that they are free to start dating?

Or should she, as I wrote before, just not accept it and bow out to Hikari because she is her best friend and someone who could be hurt by this situation?

 

[mug3n]

I understand your point but I still don't understand what she should do in that hypothetical scenario I mentioned.

Should she stop his confession and say "Wait, Yuu, we need to find Hikari first and tell her everything"? And then they go together, tell her everything (she will be almost equally hurt but now she is informed!) and after that they are free to start dating?

Or should she, as I wrote before, just not accept it and bow out to Hikari because she is her best friend and someone who could be hurt by this situation?

I think there is the possibility of no one is going to date anyone in highschool. Yami will push away Yuu, Yuu will be hang on Yami and not being able to decide between her and Hikari and Hikari will give up. And probably their friendship will drift away, all after some messy happening of some sort.

I think it might get unresolved until they meet again in their adult life. We already have a flashback, a time skip is possible.

 

[GennArc]

I think there is the possibility of no one is going to date anyone in highschool. Yami will push away Yuu, Yuu will be hang on Yami and not being able to decide between her and Hikari and Hikari will give up. And probably their friendship will drift away, all after some messy happening of some sort.

I think it might get unresolved until they meet again in their adult life. We already have a flashback, a time skip is possible.

I was asking about a hypothetical scenario because I'm trying to understand what they are supposed to do so that people aren't mad. Because it seems like some readers believe that everything should be sacrificed and neglected for Hikari's sake.

 

[mug3n]

I was asking about a hypothetical scenario because I'm trying to understand what they are supposed to do so that people aren't mad. Because it seems like some readers believe that everything should be sacrificed and neglected for Hikari's sake.

Whatever happens, there will be readers that hate the result. I suppose the path of least resistance is having Hikari winning. Still, there is not much spice in that if you are writing a convoluted romance in my opinion.

I don't know why, maybe it's because we don't have many mainstream romance mangas anymore and they aways tend to be comedies or harems, but people really don't know how romance tropes work these days.

 

[noleafclover75]

Whatever happens, there will be readers that hate the result. I suppose the path of least resistance is having Hikari winning. Still, there is not much spice in that if you are writing a convoluted romance in my opinion.

I don't know why, maybe it's because we don't have many mainstream romance mangas anymore and they aways tend to be comedies or harems, but people really don't know how romance tropes work these days.

If it's done properly or in an interesting way I like drama romances. Dog and Scum comes to mind and I love that manga and story.

This one just doesn't hit right for me. To me it's badly written but thats just an opinion. Some people may enjoy the writing style, it's just doesn't do it for me. The art and just seeing it through to the end is all that really keeps me reading at this point. I'm in it for the wreckage.

 

[mug3n]

If it's done properly or in an interesting way I like drama romances. Dog and Scum comes to mind and I love that manga and story.

This one just doesn't hit right for me. To me it's badly written but thats just an opinion. Some people may enjoy the writing style, it's just doesn't do it for me. The art and just seeing it through to the end is all that really keeps me reading at this point. I'm in it for the wreckage.

Oh no, I agree, the execution is not good and you can tell the author puts spoonfuls of things he likes in your mouth instead of letting things flow. I was commenting on how nowadays any romantic rival appears and people start shouting homewrecker and things like that.

 

[noleafclover75]

Oh no, I agree, the execution is not good and you can tell the author puts spoonfuls of things he likes in your mouth instead of letting things flow. I was commenting on how nowadays any romantic rival appears and people start shouting homewrecker and things like that.

Oh yeah! I hate when people say that stuff because the legit criticism get lost in that shuffle and it's frustrating.

This is not NTR

Yami is not a homewrecker, no one in this series is (as far as the romance goes)

This is just a love triangle where the actual love triangle has literally only been introduced for one chapter

It's so frustrating having stupid stuff intertwined with legit criticisms.

 

[Squall_Leonhart]

nope, still don't care

 

[Forsaken6]

I was asking about a hypothetical scenario because I'm trying to understand what they are supposed to do so that people aren't mad. Because it seems like some readers believe that everything should be sacrificed and neglected for Hikari's sake.

Well, consider me as one of those who were fond of the starting wholesome timeline (I can ony call like this after all this caothic retcon).

I completely miss the point. Ok you wanted to create a plot twist? Fine. What's the needing of this complexity? Why is the author pushing this much to give excuses to Yuu or Yumi for this behaviour? Considering that there's (were?) a FMC that is at the moment trashed from all that has happened give a "reason" for this is excessively forced. Not only for the athmosphere of the first chapter but also for the main characters development.
What has happened till now is only to represent Hikari as a naive romantic girl and pay a price for it since we can only assume the shock and sadness she is feeling (since we have this long backstory we don't know what's happened after the kiss and probably we won't since seems we still miss a last part of it) so I assume she is payng a price for here too romantic approach?

Ok reality is crude, fine. But is too much and without any reason, she has been betrayed both from her childhood friend and her (supposed) best friend in one go. And why? Because neither of them supposed necessary to open themself to her about their past? In any moment? Even if all the three of them where perfectly aware of her feelings?

What I want to say is that we see only bad sides and no good ones to justify all this mess.

 

[GennArc]

What's the needing of this complexity? Why is the author pushing this much to give excuses to Yuu or Yumi for this behaviour? Considering that there's (were?) a FMC that is at the moment trashed from all that has happened give a "reason" for this is excessively forced.

You view this as 'excuses' for some reason when it's actually just building up two other characters, giving them depth and making them more complex because they are going to be very important. To show their side of things and explain why this happened at all.

Others keep saying this chapter was somehow an attempt to evoke pity and sympathy for Yami with family drama, but it was just about the outcome of their relationship. The important part was that they didn't break up because of Hikari or because of a fight, that their relationship actually ended on a high note and that could lead to feelings of frustration and/or regret from both parties. That Yami didn't even tell Yuu anyhing so he might also be angered or confused - or, alternatively, that it could further strengthen his affection towards her. That Yami's own feeling were very strong but she couldn't even fully share them with Yuu and instead chose to play a role of a carefree girl who is just enjoying the moment.

What has happened till now is only to represent Hikari as a naive romantic girl and pay a price for it since we can only assume the shock and sadness she is feeling (since we have this long backstory we don't know what's happened after the kiss and probably we won't since seems we still miss a last part of it) so I assume she is payng a price for here too romantic approach?

Pay a price? It's just building up a drama. It's not meant to be a punishment for Hikari or anything, she is just a side of the conflict who is sympathetic and who doesn't really carry any blame for it.

But is too much and without any reason, she has been betrayed both from her childhood friend and her (supposed) best friend in one go. And why? Because neither of them supposed necessary to open themself to her about their past? In any moment? Even if all the three of them where perfectly aware of her feelings?

No? Because no one actually wanted this situation to happen and both Yami and Yuu tried to avoid it.
From Yami's perspective it's quite clear why she never told Hikari - she was never going to reunite with Yuu, so she didn't want to hurt Hikari's feelings and their friendship by telling her the bitter truth. It might be 'wrong' morally, but people need to get off their high horse if they are pretending not to understand why it's a very human thing to do.
As for Yuu, I'm pretty sure he is not aware of Hikari's feeling for him. And he definitely feels uncomfortable talking to Hikari about his love life, especially with how long he had a crush on her and with how she is a female friend who he spends lots of time with.

 

[story645]

Others keep saying this chapter was somehow an attempt to evoke pity and sympathy for Yami with family drama.
The important part was that they didn't break up because of Hikari or because of a fight, that their relationship actually ended on a high note

It is though - the reader already knew that Aya's home life is a mess & her mother's a mess and her step father is a mess. This just doubles down - oh her mother's not just a mess, she's a suicidal mess. And Aya's not just slightly codependent (which like, was shown by how she put Yuu on a pedastal), she's severely enmeshed w/ her mom levels of codependent.

Which granted, maybe the point of this chapter was actually just to show how much therapy Aya needs...but it also feels a bit tragedy porn lets pile on more pathos.

Which like their relationship didn't end in a high note, it ended on lack of trust. Yuu tells Aya that he doesn't know what to believe about her feelings (you always lie) & Aya doesn't trust that Yuu can handle or help her w/ the dark stuff coming so she's avoided emotional intimacy this entire time. She dumps him out of self protection, which yeah may not be what she's telling herself but a major theme of all these chapters has been that Aya lies to those she cares about, herself included, and she's very much casting herself as the noble hero here.

 

[GennArc]

Nice, I disagree with every single point of yours.

It is though - the reader already knew that Aya's home life is a mess & her mother's a mess and her step father is a mess.

So even in your own logic this is NOT evoking pity because we already knew that it was a mess. You can't really make any effect with just adding more of the same thing.

And Aya's not just slightly codependent (which like, was shown by how she put Yuu on a pedastal)

Oh yeah, let's just call strong love a 'codependency' and here we go, easy way to undermine feelings of someone you dislike. When did she ever 'put Yuu on a pedestal' by the way? And if it's a 'codependency', how could she break up so easily?

Which like their relationship didn't end in a high note, it ended on lack of trust. Yuu tells Aya that he doesn't know what to believe about her feelings (you always lie) & Aya doesn't trust that Yuu can handle or help her w/ the dark stuff coming so she's avoided emotional intimacy this entire time.

It ends with him saying he loves her and with her giving him the last big genuine smile. What a lack of trust.
Yami is genuinely worried about dragging him into her mess, worrying both times about him lying to his parents (25.5 and 28).
The thing about avoiding emotional intimacy is like ignoring everything that happened. She is straight up telling him in 26 that she doesn't really need 'fun couples stuff' like karaoke or amusement parks, that just being with him and spending time together is fun on its own.

She dumps him out of self protection

She dumps him out of guilt and no longer being able to commit to the relationship.

and she's very much casting herself as the noble hero here.

In what way?

 

[Forsaken6]

You view this as 'excuses' for some reason when it's actually just building up two other characters, giving them depth and making them more complex because they are going to be very important. To show their side of things and explain why this happened at all.

Others keep saying this chapter was somehow an attempt to evoke pity and sympathy for Yami with family drama, but it was just about the outcome of their relationship. The important part was that they didn't break up because of Hikari or because of a fight, that their relationship actually ended on a high note and that could lead to feelings of frustration and/or regret from both parties. That Yami didn't even tell Yuu anyhing so he might also be angered or confused - or, alternatively, that it could further strengthen his affection towards her. That Yami's own feeling were very strong but she couldn't even fully share them with Yuu and instead chose to play a role of a carefree girl who is just enjoying the moment.

I get your point, I'm not objecting you but still I see too much drama out of what?
Probably, for those who share my same point of view of course, the general atmosphere dramatically flipped in too little time. Like we have been slapped. At some point of the story maybe you will have a different approach toward this arc but still it feel forced link is not naturally evolved, no hint of it before and then BAM.
Let's see where next chapters heads.

 

[story645]

So even in your own logic this is NOT evoking pity because we already knew that it was a mess.

What I (and every one else making this point) is saying is that it's not evoking pity even though it's supposed to be showing that her home life is even more desperate than we've been shown.
It's supposed to make the reader forgive her for dumping Yuu (b/c she had to b/c her mother) so that when we get to the kiss scene readers would be okay with (maybe even cheer on) her and Yuu getting back together.

easy way to undermine feelings of someone you dislike

Um why do you interpret me analysing the motivations and actions of a fictional character as me disliking her?

Most of what I've written is that this character is displaying realistic for the character as written unhealthy, behaviors. That doesn't mean I dislike Aya, nor that I think her feelings are light or not real, just that I think that the poor girl needs a healthy support system, including some good grownups, and someone she thinks is in her corner and can be her cheerleader and that she can rely on, and to believe that she deserves to have that person in her life.

With Yuu, she either thinks that:

• it would be a burden for Yuu to be her support, which means she thinks she doesn't deserve to have that support from him
• that he won't be able to support her, which she's never given him a chance to show her that he could by never really opening up to him about that stuff, which emotional intimacy is sharing the hard and hurtful stuff along w/ the happy stuff so that you can build a relationship of mutual support, understanding, and vulnerability

Probably a messy mix of both.

 

[GennArc]

What I (and every one else making this point) is saying is that it's not evoking pity even though it's supposed to be

So maybe use an Occam's razor and come to a conclusion that it actually wasn't supposed to?
There's nothing to "forgive her" for, we were just shown the circumstances about what happened between them, given backgrounds for both characters. You and I are not Hikari or Yuu to hold any grudge towards Yami, she is just a fictional character, jeez.
Once again someone's talking about excuses or forgiveness when it's nothing but a background story of a character who we knew nothing about until recently. You can like it or dislike it, still root for Hikari or start rooting for Yami but stop thinking of essential things like character introduction and development as of 'excuses' for something that character did.

Um why do you interpret me analysing the motivations and actions of a fictional character as me disliking her?

First of all, it's not about motivations or actions but about feelings. Calling her affection a 'codependency' sounds like a very biased analysis to me.
Maybe I would've understood your reasoning better if you answered my questions but oh well.

 

[nadhir10]

why always with a simp mc ?

 

[awtystic]

As much as I dislike the series. I did purchase volume 1 and pre-purchased volume 2 because I do want to support the artist and author of a series i have been reading. And for better or worse I love the art a lot.

Give the link imma buy it too

 

[awtystic]

I think there is the possibility of no one is going to date anyone in highschool. Yami will push away Yuu, Yuu will be hang on Yami and not being able to decide between her and Hikari and Hikari will give up. And probably their friendship will drift away, all after some messy happening of some sort.

I think it might get unresolved until they meet again in their adult life. We already have a flashback, a time skip is possible

Knowing marutos work like white album 2 he makes quite good love triangle, anything is possible he's quite unpredictable in his writing and I think that's what make him unique from other novel artists
So i have this theory:
As we know there's light(hikari) dark(Yami) and dusk(yuu) so basically dusk means when the sun sets down (i.e dusk to dark)
So let's hypothesise that in the future chapters we get introduced to yo or yoa(dawn) when the sun rises(i.e dawn to light) and he's the new love interest of hikari or someone who tried for her but got shot down because hikari started releasing she liked yuu and yuu might have seen hikari with yo and just gave up in pursuing her along with him not getting over yami
Or
Yo is a girl and the last love interest of yuu as they say dusk till dawn
Either way there's not really a satisfying ending for hikari after the author build up so much just to break it but if she does win I think there should be closure for Aya.
But like you also said that we might get a time skip i like that theory also as hikari is the present Yami is the past and yuu possibly the future
The author said somewhere in the posts that we gonna get the dusk arc(yuu) so from his pov