Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 38 - Happy End

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That's right Hikari, I did expect her to reject Yuu in one way or another.
 
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One counter. Swap thinking and acting. While the original cause of her thinking she’s trash is not her actions, those actions reinforce it. She has to stop acting like trash in order to stop thinking it. It’s why these cycles are so difficult to break.
Disagree; she only acts because she's not able to fight her self-perception of her being trash. She ditches Yuu because she doesn't believe she's worthy of being happy with him knowing what shes going to do to her mother's marriage.

But, she still goes through with telling her mom about Step-dad creeping on her. She's proven capable of rational action, she's proven herself UNABLE to view herself as worthy of taking it. She fixes her self perception, she won't feel a need to act in a self-destructive and isolating manner.

Then her dream was a delusion from the start. She’s throwing away the boy she loves because her PERFECT boyfriend-to-be would have run to her (when they were just friends) and told her all about having sex with a sad weirdo who made him feel bad about himself. Seems like something he was allowed to keep private, but not in Hikari land!
You got a good idea at the core there: Hikari is going to have to deal with the fact Ta-kun is a flawed human, and would have to deal with it eventually.

But dude made out with her best friend, then lied about his phone being out of battery. Her reaction (so far) isn't out of line. It looks like he's being given a chance to come clean now that their feelings are out in the open.

Again, Yuu was crushing on Hikari for years and wasn'r sure how she felt about him, so had very good reasons for not leading with "Soooo funny story, that girl in your class with the short hair? Me and her spent about 6 months fucking like rabbits in hotels all over city - all over the Prefecture, actually - doing the nasty in every position and place our hormone-fueled brains and bodies could dream up, until she ghosted me for reasons I don't know. Anyway, what I wanted to tell you is I love you so much, will you please go out with me?"
 
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Yeah i just cant agree with this tho.
Yuu absolutely should have done better in this whole situation, but saying he doesnt deserve forgiveness is just a bit too far for me.
Especially since we still doesnt know the real reason of why Yuu has been lying/keeping secrets from Hikari.

Like if for example we find out in a couple of chapters real reason why Yuu was lying/keeping secrets was so that he can still have a chance at both Hikari and Yami then i would immediately join your side.

But i am always of the belief that real reason why he is lying/keeping the relationship a secret from Hikari is all linked back to him and his feelings towards her.
Like when he started dating Yami, he still hangs out with Hikari (as per the novel) but he didnt tell her about him dating another girl. Why? I genuinely believe because he still hasnt fully move on from Hikari and telling her about it would absolutely change their relationship (they could stop hanging out etc.)

What Yuu had done so far is stupid and he should have just been honest from the start about everything, but i just think he still deserve forgiveness. Granted he needs to be fully honest with Hikari from now on to be someone that deserve that forgiveness.
Yep agreed while I think most of their points and reasonings are valid I think there conclusion is unfair

There is still far too much we don't know about his reasonings and emotions and too much we haven't seen we're essentially working with an incomplete puzzle for him

There's nothing that can fully justify his behavior in my opinion but it's far from being to the point of him being unforgivable and not deserving of a chance to try and fix things and better himself
 
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Seems like something he was allowed to keep private, but not in Hikari land!
Also thinking on this some more, this was the Aya/Yuu relationship. Both kept things private, avoided elephants, and it wasn't enough for either of them. He didn't fall out of love with Hikari, she didn't take him along when she probably most needed him.
 
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I don't think there will be any romance in the finale. Both girls' behavior is understandable and forgivable. However the guy is sucks. He is not honest and thoughtful, like how can you kiss with your ex and then confess someone else. Don't you think she deserves to know that??? By the way, his best friend doesn't even know that he dated a girl for a while. He never told her.
Possible happy ending for this manga: 2 girls who are happy with their friendship and 1 loser.
Hikari has a lot of gall "hating liars" given her behavior. Yami isn't completely out of pocket given her home life but she's been acting out to push people away and hurt them so they'll leave her.
Yuu wanted to confess to the girl he loved for years and "BTW your best friend and I used to bang" isn't usually a recipe for success.
 
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Also thinking on this some more, this was the Aya/Yuu relationship. Both kept things private, avoided elephants, and it wasn't enough for either of them. He didn't fall out of love with Hikari, she didn't take him along when she probably most needed him.
Seems about right

It was a relationship neither of them handled very well but hey- that's kind of life especially when growing up

You fuck things up you make mistakes but you learn from them

People aren't perfect and will always have as much to fuck up as they have to learn it's called being human it's a never ending process really
 
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Which I may be the odd person out but I think Yuu's behavior towards Hikari is way worse than Aya's b/c they've been friends for so long while Aya is new to the friendship thing. Like @Litreara said, to Hikari it indicates that he doesn't trust what her reaction would be to news of his relationship, and Aya has so many better reasons to have that lack of trust.
Aya is still worse for me.
And Yuu not telling Hikari about his past relationship doesnt indicates he doesnt trust her reaction or anything like that imo, my theory its just Yuu and his stupid brain thinking it would affect his relationship and/or chance with Hikari, had Yuu tell Hikari about his past relationship etc.

And i know childhood friends or close friends usually tell each other almost eveything and doesnt lie about stuff, but i dont think we can expect that from Yuu in this situation. Cause in this scenario Yuu was in love with the childhood friends, instead of them being just a regular childhood friends.
 
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But yeah that's just my 2 cents I think most of your points and critisms of him are fair but disagree with the conclusion of deeming him "unforgivable"
Agreed; if he puts down the shovel and stops digging, comes clean about what happened and why, his actions to this point are understandable under "I love you, didn't think you felt about me the same way, and didn't want you think less of me and say no" especially given Hikari's reaction & mini-freakout just now (not saying its without justification).
Depending on what he does after this will be the telling. If he refuses to own up, then yeah he's scum. But that would contradict his character to this point.

F**k those ratings, this manga is peak drama.
Aya backstory went on far, far too long.
 
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We need to start taking bets on how this series ends.

1. No one ends up with anyone.
2. Yuu ends up with Yami.
3. Yuu ends up with Hikari.
4. Hikari ends up with Yami.
5. Yuu, Hikari and Yami are a throuple.
6. Hikari ends up with Yami's mom.
7. Hikari was one of Yami's stepdad's cheating partners and we get a 30+ chapter flashback on how this whole series was orchestrated by her all along. "IT WAS ME, YAMI I JERKED YOU OFF AT SUPER SPEED!!"
My guess will be Hikari and Yuu eventually make up after this conflicting, but the winning girl will be Yami in the end.
 
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I had a coworker who was due to be married to a lady he'd been dating for 5+ years, ever since college. Early in the relationship, while they were still in college, they had a fight and he had been angry, gone to a party, and cheated on her. With the wedding planned and booked, he had decided to come clean.

Her response was, in short, to call off the wedding, blame him for telling her to 'ease his own guilt about it', "If you were actually sorry you'd have just taken that to your grave", and cut him completely out of her life.
I know this is so far off topic but she's absolutely right - telling her once the wedding is booked was basically hoping she'd sweep it under the rug cause of sunk cost fallacy. It's a way for him to have come clean but hopefully backed her into a corner where he won't suffer the consequences. Like she would have been more likely to forgive him if he'd have told her like a year in or immediately.
 
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Yep agreed while I think most of their points and reasonings are valid I think there conclusion is unfair

There is still far too much we don't know about his reasonings and emotions and too much we haven't seen we're essentially working with an incomplete puzzle for him

There's nothing that can fully justify his behavior in my opinion but it's far from being to the point of him being unforgivable and not deserving of a chance to try and fix things and better himself
Yep, still so much we dont know as you said.

Why does Yuu keep the relationship with Yami a secret?
Does Yuu knows keeping it a secret would hurt Hikari?
Etc.

Knowing those things and other stuff too would tell us a lot about this whole thing.

Is Yuu an asshole/scum or is he just a stupid coward who should have just been more honest about his feelings
 
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my theory its just Yuu and his stupid brain thinking it would affect his relationship and/or chance with Hikari, had Yuu tell Hikari about his past relationship etc.
I agree and understand it but I'm also borderline traumatized by a couple of bosses who strongly believed in hiding things that would invariably blow up, cause everyone talks to each other, in ways where the most new to the situation people would get hit with the most shrapnel.

Which is to say I'm not actually hating on Yuu for something grown adults do all the time & also that this can be a good learning/growing experience and that may be the direction this manga is going in. (Like Aya is much happier and healthier once she starts opening up to friends).

Eta: but also Yuu not telling Hikari about his ship b/c it'd kill his chances with Hikari is not trusting her w/ the info. Like if they do start dating then it's likely to come out, especially when they start getting physical.
 

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