Is Mangarock bad?

[DANDAN_THE_DANDAN]

so if google was getting ddos through it search bar it would be okay for google to disable it (for non users) cause it would have been the most effecive and fastest way to do it?

Um, obviously?

 

[Kaarme]

@egirlfriend Yes, let's compare Mangadex to a multi-billion dollar company with thousands of employees and such influence and resources it's frequently under the observation of the greatest powers in the world.

 

[egirlfriend]

i picked google cause danadan started comparing with youtube so i thought why not

 

[ABCsOfLife]

I'm late to this, but

Is Mangarock bad?

Personally from me, yeah it's bad.
I have this impression that if they have "apps" and more so try to make you use that, they are instantly bad, since normally an app ask you your personal info and access to a lot of stuff on your phone for whatever reason. And when you consider that with Mangarock and their glorious advertisement... Good God.

A pretty well known app had me once, I'm not really looking for other apps mess around with even more of my data. Though this just me being kinda paranoid.

 

[421cookies]

Seems like rock only heavy on mobile? Checked in pc and it pretty much run easier with less animation.
Also you can't do anything in tik tok either if you're not registered. (I'm not tik tok thot ok)

 

[negavamas]

It's really bad, is very resource heavy if you don't use any adblock, I've never seen a reader chug so hard and it's all because of the ads. They also insert ads in the middle of whatever you are reading, when I went looking for the stuff I translated in other sites I noticed blank pages in that I didn't put, so I turned my adblock off and they were ads. And for some reason in horizontal mode pages are reeeeeaaaaally small and you can't make them bigger if you use Ctrl+, it only makes them smaller.

This was all on my PC, I don't know how it is on mobile, but I'm not going to subject my phone to that crap.

 

[aerozext]

it's bad but...
I still use it to read mangas that aren't available here

 

[naeon]

Okay, so i did some test using Chrome's task manager. On average MD on idle uses 50k (as in thousand not kb) of memory, and so little of CPU that i didn't bother to take note of it. MR on idle with adblock uses about 220k on average (that's a lot). Without adblock that memory usage skyrocketed to 300k and cpu usage reach an outstanding 40 on average and peaked at 60 when the tab is open (To be fair idk what it means, since the task manager doesn't specifies what unit cpu usage is using, whether its percentage, byte, or any other unit). When the tab is inactive memory usage drops slightly and CPU usage drops to 0 with frequent spikes to 1.6. Note that this is on my PC, performance may differ on others.
Now that is only from resource usage, lets talk about its glaring issue regarding the ads. Not only that the ads increase resource usage pretty significantly, its also very intrusive. Not only they interrupt your reading session by forcibly showing ads every 3-5 pages, it also show ads at the end of chapters. So any manga that uses the "one page one chapter" format (such as tomo-chan), it'll potentially interrupts you with ads every time you change page.
Now let's talk page quality. The quality ranges from decent to really bad. But all of it doesn't matter because page sizes is so small on pc, and zooming in doesn't help. It's probably better on mobile, but i can't be bothered to confirm that.
So, bottom line. Is it bad? Yes. It has glaring issues. Even if you can use adblock, it doesn't change the fact that there are shady choices and design.

 

[0r4cl3]

I heard some shit about so please go further into detail.

@egirlfriend I think I did misdirect the debate on a technical answer while the original poster wanted a more ethical view.
for this, the fact that they post licensed mangas and rip the work of the scanlators w/o permission should be more than enough as an answer.
The really long list of said scanlators, that put their faith in MD team is a good proof too, why would you even want to read poorly ripoff on a poorly designed ressource wise website when you can on the original one, with the consent of the uploader?

Also you can not really talk about speed as it dependant on too many things such as your location, your computer, router, ISP, dns server. Way too many things can effect speed of a certain website. Mangadex maybe faster for you but not for others.

Will you tell us to take the noise of a copper line under thunderstorm next into the equation? It appears to me that by quoting only those aspect of a client-server link, you either try to focus the debate on the user knowingly or you don't have a full grasp of what you're trying to expose.
The bandswitch of a server in not dependent of the client side, you can even allocate a per user % and a bonus part on logged one... On the user side, you can configure the "jumps" and DNS, as well as many thing like QoS, traffic-shifting, load balancing but if the server allows you 25 kb/s you will have 25 - well there are ways but that's not the point -. The route is not something absolute and you can tweak it user side. It was definitely not my point of comparaison as it is irrelevant, a lightweight website will load faster even on an 100mb/s old ethernet PC.

MangaRock quality? did you read Tomo-chan, I mean except if they changed their pics recently, it was worst than compressed mangafox one! looks like a poorly inspired 'pixel art' indie game.
I prefer to read on tab and use a 10.1" 2560 x 1600 WQXGA screen, MangaRock pics even get artefacts in the whites! for not even a faster load time.
Why? Because a heavy coded page take longer to load, cookies, ads get an influence on that! And fully participate of the user experience.
In fact their ad system is so intrusive it is still annoying on premium users : on the app, even if you pay, it in fact still load the ads and hide them.
The result on an ethical and user pov is, since they have the so great idea to put ad. in the middle of a chapter, app crash, freeze, black screen... when ad should be displayed on non premium.

Now regarding DDoS, remember that it stand for DENIAL of SERVICE, I think MD team did a pretty good job to make their site available DURING such an attack, and that's important for users in BOTH an ethical and technical stand point, it means you can rely on your fav., on the fact you have taken some habitus on the UI, the use you do, and can still count on it during harsh times.

I did use mangafox decade ago, I think bato.to was not even created yet, yes they have an open search bar, but they can, they rely and advertisement to finance themselves on robbed work.
Now did they even get DDoSed? I wonder, I think to remember they did a while ago, but not a sustained one like MD is experiencing, and if they did I am pretty sure they totally disabled the search functionality : it's a site to make money, of course they want it online and reachable. Also it's more a group than an single website, the user they loose during a week of DDoS they find them on one of their clones.
The reactivity shown by MD team for the user is a really strong point you seem to omit, it seems that you don't understand that they went trough 504 error user side, there is no point in opening search if you cannot even access the website.

"MangaDex is still young" that is just an excuse.

I think it's a pretty decent argument especially if the other site is MR, MD corrected their code, and surely still do, while MR kept this "beta" tag for ever as an excuse for poor management and bad decisions, making their code heavier and heavier even if it was intended for mobile use first hand!

But as you said, and I said too, a passing by user WILL want to access this feature, I am pretty sure MD staff knows that and may want to resolve this as it is a temporary solution.
On an other hand, creating an account is fast, and if you want to post like we do it's kinda necessary : we are in a time were people expose themselves on social network and they wouldn't take 3sc to log?
Would that be a real gain to MD community to have such people?

 

[ItsQuote]

you talk about me moving goal post but i assumed you knew i was on about similiar sites. since you then replied about a user-oriented site like this one, you then replied with twitter which is a user-oriented site but not like this one. hense me asking how twitter/youtube is related to this one.

well, in the same vain, i thought i was pretty clear at having pulled the scope back to include most sites that provide/require user registration. suddenly shifting it down to just manga reader sites felt like a goal-pole shift to me last night, but i see now that i sorta jumped into the middle of the discussion! sorry about that.

also i didnt know hongfire did that so fairs

fun little tidbit: even with an active account, searches were limited to once every 60 seconds. so incredibly annoying to have my timer reset because i hit the button at 59 seconds!

so as long as it fastest the or most effective its reasonable? so if google was getting ddos through it search bar it would be okay for google to disable it (for non users) cause it would have been the most effecive and fastest way to do it?

as a short- to medium-term fix, absolutely. there's no doubt it inconveniences people, but that's sometimes the cost of keeping the wheels turning. also, if you happened to be around the internet in 1998 when Google first launched, it was kinda crusty for a while. growing pains are normal!

 

[justforthelulz]

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