Isekai Kenkokuki - Ch. 65

[jonsmth]

The counterargument for that is, "moving a capital is not free."

Now, if you want to talk about spending that huge amount of money on top of everything involved in expanding, that's a different idea. I've never said there aren't benefits to moving the capital, but the several of the downsides for keeping it there don't make sense.

Repairing walls has to happen regardless, since it's still a major city close to the border, and probably will be a focal point during a war. That's not a cost saved by moving the capital. You can't just abandon a city because you move the government. Though I wonder how much that cost is exaggerated for the sake of argument in the manga, considering how well these kinds of walls hold up.

If you want to dismiss all examples of others walled cities and claim this city is completely difference from everything else, you have to prove why this particular city is different from all other cities, and why those differences matter. You've not done so.

The point is that the city will not expand horizontally without the government doing anything about it, and the the government would rather not because it's less cost- effective than the alternative of founding a new city.

Maintaining walls is an eventuality - basically, future debt. They have to fix it, which makes staying even less cost-effective.

This city is unique because of the circumstances. The future rapid population growth isn't going to be a natural one, nor is it due to refugees. The new people are craftsmen and bureaucrats, so they shouldn't even settle to some vulnerable satellite village. There is also the larger incentive to move the capital, so any potential edicts are going to be weighed against that.

 

[AnotherDuck]

it's less cost- effective than the alternative of founding a new city.

No.

Maintaining walls is an eventuality - basically, future debt. They have to fix it, which makes staying even less cost-effective.

That doesn't change whether they move the capital, so it's irrelevant. If they move they have to build the new city and still fix the walls.

This city is unique because of the circumstances. The future rapid population growth isn't going to be a natural one, nor is it due to refugees. The new people are craftsmen and bureaucrats, so they shouldn't even settle to some vulnerable satellite village. There is also the larger incentive to move the capital, so any potential edicts are going to be weighed against that.

Craftsmen are needed where there's stuff to be crafted, or where there's stuff to craft from. The amount of bureaucrats is insignificant relative to the population of a city. All this reads like fictional reasons that are there to suit the plot of the manga.

 

[deathmailrock]

Fun fact, even the Catholic Church wasn't actually against the Heliocentric theory.... it was mostly the uneducated commoners...

And when forced to choose between Galileo (who was being a d*ck) and an angry mob, they chose the angry mob.

But their original request wasn't for him to stop research, but to stop promoting the research until he had conclusive proof to share..... but he chose to be a d*** and was banned from research for being a d*** (not because they were against his theories).

 

[jonsmth]

No.


That doesn't change whether they move the capital, so it's irrelevant. If they move they have to build the new city and still fix the walls.


Craftsmen are needed where there's stuff to be crafted, or where there's stuff to craft from. The amount of bureaucrats is insignificant relative to the population of a city. All this reads like fictional reasons that are there to suit the plot of the manga.

You have to think of the long term and national-scope strategy when comparing the values and cost. The cost of traveling to a farther capital is going to rack up, especially the slower reaction times. A message arriving a day late could mean an enemy army having marched a day further into territory. This isn't only about the city.

They still have to fix the walls, but it isn't a national issue anymore when it's not the capital city. The VIPs would have moved out. The center of governance isn't there anymore.

The bureaucrats and craftsmen are of course going to bring their families too. It sounded like Almus needed a lot of them. If you haven't read enough of stories like this, having your own fleet of craftsmen lets you do R&D (mostly, to attempt to reproduce modern technology), and mass produce weapons.

 

[lesseffective]

Thanks for the chapter.

"The Earth is the one that orbits the sun - it's the only way the math makes sense."

"HE'S A WITCH! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!"

With the full, concentrated power of the sun!

 

[MangaRockRefugee]

Is the fact that Yuria managed to get up, wash, and dress herself (or get dressed) without waking the other two showing us how they do plowing rotation in bed?

Also Tetra and Alnus are at it for a year at least, where are the results?

 

[feha]

Huh, there was a lot of assumed knowledge in the conversations this chapter... feels weird. At least they had an actual reasonable decision for why the three rivers' area wasn't already populated; heavy flooding issues are a big concern.

Also was refreshing to see that there was a reasonable mc that acknowledged that his prior world's knowledge might not hold true in a world with magic and actual mythical beings. That the celestial dome might indeed be exactly that, a magical dome where mythical beings live and move.

 

[Grikath]

And then centuries later after another disastrous flooding of the capital costing countless lives, the people ponder "why on earth did we build our capital amongst three flooding rivers?"

You do realise that every single successful early human city was based around rivers flooding the countryside on a regular basis, and that their decline was always tied to rivers stopping doing this over time for various reasons?