Isekai Kenkokuki - Ch. 65

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The counterargument for that is, "moving a capital is not free."

Now, if you want to talk about spending that huge amount of money on top of everything involved in expanding, that's a different idea. I've never said there aren't benefits to moving the capital, but the several of the downsides for keeping it there don't make sense.

Repairing walls has to happen regardless, since it's still a major city close to the border, and probably will be a focal point during a war. That's not a cost saved by moving the capital. You can't just abandon a city because you move the government. Though I wonder how much that cost is exaggerated for the sake of argument in the manga, considering how well these kinds of walls hold up.

If you want to dismiss all examples of others walled cities and claim this city is completely difference from everything else, you have to prove why this particular city is different from all other cities, and why those differences matter. You've not done so.
The point is that the city will not expand horizontally without the government doing anything about it, and the the government would rather not because it's less cost- effective than the alternative of founding a new city.

Maintaining walls is an eventuality - basically, future debt. They have to fix it, which makes staying even less cost-effective.

This city is unique because of the circumstances. The future rapid population growth isn't going to be a natural one, nor is it due to refugees. The new people are craftsmen and bureaucrats, so they shouldn't even settle to some vulnerable satellite village. There is also the larger incentive to move the capital, so any potential edicts are going to be weighed against that.
 
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it's less cost- effective than the alternative of founding a new city.
No.

Maintaining walls is an eventuality - basically, future debt. They have to fix it, which makes staying even less cost-effective.
That doesn't change whether they move the capital, so it's irrelevant. If they move they have to build the new city and still fix the walls.

This city is unique because of the circumstances. The future rapid population growth isn't going to be a natural one, nor is it due to refugees. The new people are craftsmen and bureaucrats, so they shouldn't even settle to some vulnerable satellite village. There is also the larger incentive to move the capital, so any potential edicts are going to be weighed against that.
Craftsmen are needed where there's stuff to be crafted, or where there's stuff to craft from. The amount of bureaucrats is insignificant relative to the population of a city. All this reads like fictional reasons that are there to suit the plot of the manga.
 
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Fun fact, even the Catholic Church wasn't actually against the Heliocentric theory.... it was mostly the uneducated commoners...

And when forced to choose between Galileo (who was being a d*ck) and an angry mob, they chose the angry mob.

But their original request wasn't for him to stop research, but to stop promoting the research until he had conclusive proof to share..... but he chose to be a d*** and was banned from research for being a d*** (not because they were against his theories).
 
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No.


That doesn't change whether they move the capital, so it's irrelevant. If they move they have to build the new city and still fix the walls.


Craftsmen are needed where there's stuff to be crafted, or where there's stuff to craft from. The amount of bureaucrats is insignificant relative to the population of a city. All this reads like fictional reasons that are there to suit the plot of the manga.
You have to think of the long term and national-scope strategy when comparing the values and cost. The cost of traveling to a farther capital is going to rack up, especially the slower reaction times. A message arriving a day late could mean an enemy army having marched a day further into territory. This isn't only about the city.

They still have to fix the walls, but it isn't a national issue anymore when it's not the capital city. The VIPs would have moved out. The center of governance isn't there anymore.

The bureaucrats and craftsmen are of course going to bring their families too. It sounded like Almus needed a lot of them. If you haven't read enough of stories like this, having your own fleet of craftsmen lets you do R&D (mostly, to attempt to reproduce modern technology), and mass produce weapons.
 
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Is the fact that Yuria managed to get up, wash, and dress herself (or get dressed) without waking the other two showing us how they do plowing rotation in bed?

Also Tetra and Alnus are at it for a year at least, where are the results?
 
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Huh, there was a lot of assumed knowledge in the conversations this chapter... feels weird. At least they had an actual reasonable decision for why the three rivers' area wasn't already populated; heavy flooding issues are a big concern.
Also was refreshing to see that there was a reasonable mc that acknowledged that his prior world's knowledge might not hold true in a world with magic and actual mythical beings. That the celestial dome might indeed be exactly that, a magical dome where mythical beings live and move.
 
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And then centuries later after another disastrous flooding of the capital costing countless lives, the people ponder "why on earth did we build our capital amongst three flooding rivers?"
You do realise that every single successful early human city was based around rivers flooding the countryside on a regular basis, and that their decline was always tied to rivers stopping doing this over time for various reasons?
 
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One of them is wide awake, one is half asleep, and one is assaulted. Seems like a regular morning with a pet.

She looks so different when he pushes her hair back. Well, manga characters are like 80% hair unless you count clothes.

Yeah, moving the capital is a bit of a big move.



The argument about the size of the capital doesn't make much sense. The size of a city is not static. If more people need or want to live there, it will expand.

The problem with placing a new capital like that on the map is that if it's such a great location for it, there would already be a city there.

Regular floods tend to be good for crops, not bad. Those are quite often some of the most fertile lands.

If having the capital close to Domorgar is for military purposes, moving it away signals that you're not interested in attacking, which would encourage a more peaceful mindset between the nations. Of course, they might also get the idea of attacking since it makes it weaker, but that's only going to be temporary, which will lead to a prolonged war.

She's right about mishandling that amount of water. Regular flooding is already hard to control, and failing to do it properly can easily make it worse.

Calling someone a weirdo like that is a little bit on the rude side. Though they don't care about behaviour at all, it seems, considering how casual they always act.

She's objecting to what he calls her? I think he's entitled to call her whatever he wants after she called him a weirdo.

Ah, yes, the geocentric vs heliocentric beliefs. Been around for a long while. Most of the time it shows up is when people start claiming it's been known for ages, but it isn't as clear-cut as that. Sure, the heliocentric model is much older than people think, maybe ancient Egypt or something, but it wasn't the most common belief. I think it was the classic Greeks who made it more popular, but I'd have to look it up for accuracy. The Earth being round was accepted much before that, though, and it's probably some confusion about which people are talking about. But at any rate, this is a completely different world, which as far as we know might even be a geocentric one. Though I doubt it.

The heated way they argue rings true, though. Scholars do that.


There are a lot of problems with how the world works in this manga. It's long been clear that the author doesn't know too much about things, and is doing at most surface levels of research.


Holding water is one of the best ways to reduce the impact of flooding, while keeping the water on hand or in the ground during dry seasons. Much of the industrial-era expansion made water flow too quickly, so you got flash-floods and longer dry seasons, which leads to desertification.
A natural forest is basically impossible to traverse by anything other than foot. Horses will be slowed down too much, and forget about carts. An ambush could happen, but not by any significant force, so it would most likely only be used for infiltration and assassination attempts.

That's what France thought with their Maginot line. Nazi Germany disagreed and was proven right.
 
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That's what France thought with their Maginot line. Nazi Germany disagreed and was proven right.
That's not a natural forest. Most forests in Europe are managed or otherwise much more open than a natural forest. That means a lot less undergrowth and fallen trees and less everything else that slows you down. The French even knew you could take tanks through there. There was also a lot of miscommunication delaying the French response to the Germans.
 
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The new king is a modern man, reincarnated into this world. Yet he's trying hard to be weirdly neutral over if planets orbit stars, as if he doesn't know that for a fact.

Is the author trying to make us forget this is isekai?

And they can settle this simply by making some half-decent telescopes. It should be doable even at their technology level. Granted it isn't a top priority issue by any means, but it's so easy to settle.
 
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I know this is 5 months late but I can't help but question the translation of this chapter. Aside from the janky grammar, some dialogue just doesn't make sense. For example, on page 21: Ismea's "What did you just call me?" comes out of nowhere considering Nikolaus doesn't engage in name-calling.

Sure, most of the chapter kinda makes sense, but it's little details like this that cast doubt on the integrity of the entire translation.
 
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