Isekai Nonbiri Nouka - Vol. 4 Ch. 71 - Martial Art Tournament - Warrior Division
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So you can't back up your own claim because its tedious for you? Its tedious for me too since I am not the one who put out the "The GOAL of the festival is for the mc to experience different cultures"
Again you contradict yourself. " there can be MULTIPLE goals of a festival.", Yes, that is true so giving out medals, yearly event for the village. He passed those goals so that looks fine to me. Yet you points out he is not doing it right since he miss the goal of experiencing culture.
The only one hung up on the goals is you. The mc can't care less as long as they are happy. Appreciating something isn't only gained through knowing every single thing about it. A lot of people watch magic yet they don't know the degree of skill/technique needed to show those on stage.
I brought out farming in comparison to being a village chief. This means he likes to live leisurely rather than use his authority as a village chief. So he would rather agree and get it over with and just play along.
The only one hung up on the goals is you, He is happy with the tournament, the village is excited over it and he can give out medals as planned. You also agreed again that is is soft, which means he is happy as long as the village is happy. MC = happy, village = happy. so why is he stupid if everyone is happy?
So you can't back up your own claim because its tedious for you? Its tedious for me too since I am not the one who put out the "The GOAL of the festival is for the mc to experience different cultures"
Again you contradict yourself. " there can be MULTIPLE goals of a festival.", Yes, that is true so giving out medals, yearly event for the village. He passed those goals so that looks fine to me. Yet you points out he is not doing it right since he miss the goal of experiencing culture.
The only one hung up on the goals is you. The mc can't care less as long as they are happy. Appreciating something isn't only gained through knowing every single thing about it. A lot of people watch magic yet they don't know the degree of skill/technique needed to show those on stage.
I brought out farming in comparison to being a village chief. This means he likes to live leisurely rather than use his authority as a village chief. So he would rather agree and get it over with and just play along.
The only one hung up on the goals is you, He is happy with the tournament, the village is excited over it and he can give out medals as planned. You also agreed again that is is soft, which means he is happy as long as the village is happy. MC = happy, village = happy. so why is he stupid if everyone is happy?
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oh, don't be bitter when the other person you had a debate with from the internet is this persistent, like you say this is the a leisure manga. We enjoy little bouts like these. Nothing to be that mad about.
The initial medal giving is a failure since the people don't know what to do with it. It was a first endeavour so that is acceptable. The tournament is ongoing so its too soon to decide on it.
I never said they should be yes men. I only pointed out that the whole premise you called him stupid is that he is unhappy and the village is happy for the tournament decision because it doesn't exhibit culture. The same as the last time, the village is happy, the mc is happy so who is unhappy that the tournament started? readers mostly but we are not the one who made the decision.
Who is this everyone you said that the medal giving is stupid?
What is the problem happening in the village? lol blithely happy people who don't care about their problems?
oh, don't be bitter when the other person you had a debate with from the internet is this persistent, like you say this is the a leisure manga. We enjoy little bouts like these. Nothing to be that mad about.
The initial medal giving is a failure since the people don't know what to do with it. It was a first endeavour so that is acceptable. The tournament is ongoing so its too soon to decide on it.
I never said they should be yes men. I only pointed out that the whole premise you called him stupid is that he is unhappy and the village is happy for the tournament decision because it doesn't exhibit culture. The same as the last time, the village is happy, the mc is happy so who is unhappy that the tournament started? readers mostly but we are not the one who made the decision.
Who is this everyone you said that the medal giving is stupid?
What is the problem happening in the village? lol blithely happy people who don't care about their problems?
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@givemersspls lmao, I mention it one time and you take it as I am bitter?
I can't really say its verifiable if you center your argument of being against the martial arts tournament if because it lacks the exhibition of culture without the chapter of it in the manga?
I agree that the initial medal giving is a failure why do you want to bring it up again? I did word my explanation poorly. It's not that they don't know what to do with it, its that they only exchange the medal with the village chief. The whole purpose is to use it like currency, they should have used it to barter with the dwarfs for alcohol, food from the farmers, and clothes from the spiders etc...
His whole goal in living is to live a leisurely life as stated by the title, the goal as you said can be multiple, if he hit most of them then whats wrong? Can it be if you can't hit all of them then you are stupid?
The second village being separated is at the mention of the villagers, It's not like they are at the other side of the world so its fine if they are a river away. The part to reduce sexual demands is for the later generations, since he won't likely chase away the current partners he has. It's to make the succeeding generation have a partner outside family. That is why if the children grown up in the main village their partners would likely be from the other village. Bringing more men to reduce his sexual hardship will only work on those who hasn't been his partner yet, he can't escape.
I can't really comment much on his goal of experiencing different culture because I can't remember or see the part where he said that. However, he fulfilled most of the goal as I have seen so its just fine for me.
I mean unhappy in the sense that the outcome of choosing the tournament is acceptable for him. He is okay with the festival so what is wrong with it? I mentioned blithely happy to question it. The villagers of course has problems but they still properly tend to it and live life ignoring it. Compared to the village chief they are the ones who tend to problems that could and are happening in the village. The village chief mostly do what he wants and tend to the villagers if there is a need for it. so how are they ignorantly happy without a care for their problems?
Not everyone said it was stupid, and if the we did comment that it is stupid don't use it as a refutal since we can't tell it to the MC.
LMAO you already have a vision for the second village and its not even created in the manga. they toil away at the behest of the masters? where did you see this. The farming is so that when something happens to him, someone could continue the farming for the future generations too. The monetary policy is unstable but they are only trying it for the first time so he needs time to make it work. When enough people have their own products it would eventually make others use the coins for the purpose the chief intended. The sexual problem for him, I can't see a way for him to avoid that. It's too late to fix that.
The main thing I find in your listed problems that could be solved near in the future is the monetary policy, and it could be solved if the villagers actually used it to exchange to other villagers.
The only goal you say he doesn't stick to is the cultural exhibition but that is still can't be said when he is watching them showing the fighting styles of different races.
I can't really say its verifiable if you center your argument of being against the martial arts tournament if because it lacks the exhibition of culture without the chapter of it in the manga?
I agree that the initial medal giving is a failure why do you want to bring it up again? I did word my explanation poorly. It's not that they don't know what to do with it, its that they only exchange the medal with the village chief. The whole purpose is to use it like currency, they should have used it to barter with the dwarfs for alcohol, food from the farmers, and clothes from the spiders etc...
His whole goal in living is to live a leisurely life as stated by the title, the goal as you said can be multiple, if he hit most of them then whats wrong? Can it be if you can't hit all of them then you are stupid?
The second village being separated is at the mention of the villagers, It's not like they are at the other side of the world so its fine if they are a river away. The part to reduce sexual demands is for the later generations, since he won't likely chase away the current partners he has. It's to make the succeeding generation have a partner outside family. That is why if the children grown up in the main village their partners would likely be from the other village. Bringing more men to reduce his sexual hardship will only work on those who hasn't been his partner yet, he can't escape.
I can't really comment much on his goal of experiencing different culture because I can't remember or see the part where he said that. However, he fulfilled most of the goal as I have seen so its just fine for me.
I mean unhappy in the sense that the outcome of choosing the tournament is acceptable for him. He is okay with the festival so what is wrong with it? I mentioned blithely happy to question it. The villagers of course has problems but they still properly tend to it and live life ignoring it. Compared to the village chief they are the ones who tend to problems that could and are happening in the village. The village chief mostly do what he wants and tend to the villagers if there is a need for it. so how are they ignorantly happy without a care for their problems?
Not everyone said it was stupid, and if the we did comment that it is stupid don't use it as a refutal since we can't tell it to the MC.
LMAO you already have a vision for the second village and its not even created in the manga. they toil away at the behest of the masters? where did you see this. The farming is so that when something happens to him, someone could continue the farming for the future generations too. The monetary policy is unstable but they are only trying it for the first time so he needs time to make it work. When enough people have their own products it would eventually make others use the coins for the purpose the chief intended. The sexual problem for him, I can't see a way for him to avoid that. It's too late to fix that.
The main thing I find in your listed problems that could be solved near in the future is the monetary policy, and it could be solved if the villagers actually used it to exchange to other villagers.
The only goal you say he doesn't stick to is the cultural exhibition but that is still can't be said when he is watching them showing the fighting styles of different races.
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@givemersspls I called you bitter because you started capsing and being all scarcastic.
for the initial medal giving, So you pointed out that he doesn't know anything, he is stupid because he did it without knowing anything? isn't that why he was testing it out.
He hasn't tried to hit more goals? you said that he is stupid because he did not hit the goal of there being a culture exhibition. so what does him hitting more goals bring for your initial statement?
You missed the point of what he said. He said he shouldn't think too deeply about that, meaning he shouldn't think of why would there be a rebellion happening. Them having meetings regularly is them thinking and planning to solve the problems.
I mentioned the word unhappy as a way to explain your statement " He could easily make others happy AS WELL AS HIMSELF. HE DOESN'T!" so he is happy others are happy what "doesn't" are you talking about if not "unhappy"?
So being suboptimal is literally being stupid? That is your standard not his or the way he wants to live. He has a goal he attained most of them (still iffy about your other goal of cultural exhibition since I can't find it)
So in your books, preventing any revolts mean that the other side is a slave? lmao, it could mean the if the other side got greedy and want the to be the main village they would prevent it as should. Where did they say they would keep the conditions in a specific way? They said they want people there to farm for them but do you really think our super leisure farm loving japanese isekai mc would make the other side a slave village? Do you really think he would even allow it? The farming is of course the only way for them to produce stable food in that are so it is a given that they would make them do it.
you are the one who is not reading my comments and yours for that matter. You mention he is stupid many times for being not optimal and not doing something that would "easily make others happy AS WELL AS HIMSELF" yet you can't show the statement of the goal you mentioned.
for the initial medal giving, So you pointed out that he doesn't know anything, he is stupid because he did it without knowing anything? isn't that why he was testing it out.
He hasn't tried to hit more goals? you said that he is stupid because he did not hit the goal of there being a culture exhibition. so what does him hitting more goals bring for your initial statement?
You missed the point of what he said. He said he shouldn't think too deeply about that, meaning he shouldn't think of why would there be a rebellion happening. Them having meetings regularly is them thinking and planning to solve the problems.
I mentioned the word unhappy as a way to explain your statement " He could easily make others happy AS WELL AS HIMSELF. HE DOESN'T!" so he is happy others are happy what "doesn't" are you talking about if not "unhappy"?
So being suboptimal is literally being stupid? That is your standard not his or the way he wants to live. He has a goal he attained most of them (still iffy about your other goal of cultural exhibition since I can't find it)
So in your books, preventing any revolts mean that the other side is a slave? lmao, it could mean the if the other side got greedy and want the to be the main village they would prevent it as should. Where did they say they would keep the conditions in a specific way? They said they want people there to farm for them but do you really think our super leisure farm loving japanese isekai mc would make the other side a slave village? Do you really think he would even allow it? The farming is of course the only way for them to produce stable food in that are so it is a given that they would make them do it.
you are the one who is not reading my comments and yours for that matter. You mention he is stupid many times for being not optimal and not doing something that would "easily make others happy AS WELL AS HIMSELF" yet you can't show the statement of the goal you mentioned.
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Your issue "My point still remains that the whole purpose of a festival was for him to experience cultures and this tournament does none of that at all." You mentioned this because the MC isn't an expert in combat but the premise that the main point of the festival is to experience culture is not found. You called "this is stupid" not he is stupid. so you are talking about the event. Dont' switch points.
My response about the initial medal giving was for a what if scenario in the manga, yes he should test things out but it had lots of problems. Your point is as an expression for commenting. guess I really did miss your point sorry. However you only mentioned "look at the initial giving out of medals", I responded that it is indeed a failure since that was him testing it out. then you expanded the reason on why it failed. I already agreed so why did you need to explain it in detail? That should have been done there.
The thing about his initial goals as I have said is still iffy so I still stand on my statement. I do see that, if you missed one of the multiple goals you set, it would be a bit upsetting but I can't see how it would warrant him being stupid for it.
He would rather not think about a rebellion because he as a previously peaceful person doesn't want to. As I mentioned before he would rather be a farmer than a village chief so that is him not wanting conflict. He would rather make it so there should be no need for a rebellion happening rather than doing a what-if a rebellion happened. Also with the dragons he is sure any rebellion would be crushed, probably. True its not good to prepare for something bad happening but you forget, he died due to overworking as a salaryman, meaning he piled up lots of stress so he would rather not think about things like that. He seems to enjoy crafting and farming so the rewards for the medals should count as a hobby for him albeit a lot.
The survival oriented elves will already take care of it so I see that as him delagating. He is willful and ignorant but that is because he doesn't have experience establishing a village. (he didn't establish the main village, he made a house and the others took care of the rest). The others there have experience in living in villages so there should be no problem leaving that decision to them. Rather than worrying for something that he doesn't have experience on leaving it to the others and only looking at the bigger part which is the farming, houses and living necessities should be fine. If he did worry about a rebellion the only option to think about there is to improve the defense of the town. However the defense are left to the wolves/spiders patrol and the angels doing a warning system from the air.
The unhappy thing, about the goals, you said that if he is not fulfilling his initial goal then he is stupid, that lead to you saying that if he could do both the cultural thing and the village people happy then that is the equivalent to that 100 out of 100 happiness. So by relation if he didn't fulfill 100 out of 100 then he is stupid? No, it does not mean that.
He mentioned that there was fighting over which theme to go with so he settled that whatever he picks from the suggestions then that will be what they will be doing. Fights!, meaning there is an aggressive conflict, if he switches to another event then that would mean the one who put forth the martial arts tournament and those who got excited for seeing it to be greatly saddened since it was put forth with enough desire to fight others for suggesting it. For the sake of fairness he stuck with it. I did show you before the page where it was literally shown that he made the sports festival for giving out medals and a recreational activity right? that is him most of completing his goals. As I mentioned before I can't find the cultural thing so I won't comment much on that. If that were the case it would still work if they have a banquet later at the end for food culture. It's Japan, food is a big thing in many of their mangas so he would be happy with that. There goal complete, tentatively.
This is a manga of compressed novel chapters so I doubt it would show him extensively deliberating for other ideas.
I checked the novel and it did show him wanting to choose another besides the martial arts tournament.
He rejected it because the paper was expensive(true in that place), and it was agreed as a one-shot game so no one will complain no matter what the results.
The main idea of the conversation where he said "ill not think too deeply about it" is the revolt. The downstream, the across the river is already explained to him.
They are making a new village so that people would live there, what is the point if they live in the main village. The main village is already large enough as it is.
It's not like they kidnapped people and force them to live there. They made a village and want people to live there, they build it they supply the initial living necessities for it to function. It's not like they are forbidden to enter the main village. There are literally no restriction if someone wants to leave. The point of creating another village is as you said to make people live there, so what is the problem for them to live there. The supposed restriction is for them to settle, if everyone wants to live in the main village then there would be no point in making a new village.. Also of course the main village is better the mc is living there.
The thing about his initial goals as I have said is still iffy so I still stand on my statement. I do see that, if you missed one of the multiple goals you set, it would be a bit upsetting but I can't see how it would warrant him being stupid for it.
He would rather not think about a rebellion because he as a previously peaceful person doesn't want to. As I mentioned before he would rather be a farmer than a village chief so that is him not wanting conflict. He would rather make it so there should be no need for a rebellion happening rather than doing a what-if a rebellion happened. Also with the dragons he is sure any rebellion would be crushed, probably. True its not good to prepare for something bad happening but you forget, he died due to overworking as a salaryman, meaning he piled up lots of stress so he would rather not think about things like that. He seems to enjoy crafting and farming so the rewards for the medals should count as a hobby for him albeit a lot.
The survival oriented elves will already take care of it so I see that as him delagating. He is willful and ignorant but that is because he doesn't have experience establishing a village. (he didn't establish the main village, he made a house and the others took care of the rest). The others there have experience in living in villages so there should be no problem leaving that decision to them. Rather than worrying for something that he doesn't have experience on leaving it to the others and only looking at the bigger part which is the farming, houses and living necessities should be fine. If he did worry about a rebellion the only option to think about there is to improve the defense of the town. However the defense are left to the wolves/spiders patrol and the angels doing a warning system from the air.
The unhappy thing, about the goals, you said that if he is not fulfilling his initial goal then he is stupid, that lead to you saying that if he could do both the cultural thing and the village people happy then that is the equivalent to that 100 out of 100 happiness. So by relation if he didn't fulfill 100 out of 100 then he is stupid? No, it does not mean that.
He mentioned that there was fighting over which theme to go with so he settled that whatever he picks from the suggestions then that will be what they will be doing. Fights!, meaning there is an aggressive conflict, if he switches to another event then that would mean the one who put forth the martial arts tournament and those who got excited for seeing it to be greatly saddened since it was put forth with enough desire to fight others for suggesting it. For the sake of fairness he stuck with it. I did show you before the page where it was literally shown that he made the sports festival for giving out medals and a recreational activity right? that is him most of completing his goals. As I mentioned before I can't find the cultural thing so I won't comment much on that. If that were the case it would still work if they have a banquet later at the end for food culture. It's Japan, food is a big thing in many of their mangas so he would be happy with that. There goal complete, tentatively.
This is a manga of compressed novel chapters so I doubt it would show him extensively deliberating for other ideas.
I checked the novel and it did show him wanting to choose another besides the martial arts tournament.
He rejected it because the paper was expensive(true in that place), and it was agreed as a one-shot game so no one will complain no matter what the results.
The main idea of the conversation where he said "ill not think too deeply about it" is the revolt. The downstream, the across the river is already explained to him.
They are making a new village so that people would live there, what is the point if they live in the main village. The main village is already large enough as it is.
It's not like they kidnapped people and force them to live there. They made a village and want people to live there, they build it they supply the initial living necessities for it to function. It's not like they are forbidden to enter the main village. There are literally no restriction if someone wants to leave. The point of creating another village is as you said to make people live there, so what is the problem for them to live there. The supposed restriction is for them to settle, if everyone wants to live in the main village then there would be no point in making a new village.. Also of course the main village is better the mc is living there.
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Well forget subtext, they want it to be that the village chief is theirs. The issue with his partners won't decrease. As long as he lays his hands on someone he would take responsibility and be that person's partner for life. His japanese mc stereotype commands him to do so. So even if men were introduced his current sexual partners won't decrease. The intention is to make it stop increasing. Also to avoid the problem with incest. That is why they need more men and a second village.
With how they got a lot of demon civil officials delegating stuff won't run out, I doubt they would scheme things given how they tasted defeat. That plus no one could contest the strength of the mc if he is mad. The scheming thing won't happen for a while since the life in the village is too luxurious, I would say, compared to even the life of a demon king, dragon king and vampire ancestor. Internally there should be no scheming for a takeover, outside the village and those under their wing however could happen as an invasion. That would be for the future if ever someone wants to declare war on them. They already have an army too so things are okay for now in that front.
Him farming and being happy is his first and foremost purpose to be in this world, it defeats this second life if he can't act it out because he didn't want to think too deeply about a revolt. "Too deeply" meaning he is still thinking about it but to what degree, we don't know.
Him choosing the tournament because its the first one he picked is fair democracy in his mind. He wants it that the other villagers put forth their ideas too so he won't turn it down because its violent. He even established rules to make it a lot more less violent. That goal of cultural exhibition can still be accomplished through food or him watching how the different races from his villagers fight on stage.
i.e. how the lamias coil their tails on a target, what kind of magic they used, how the spiders, wolves fight with other. It should be enough to see their culture in that aspect(combat). Their culture in how they live, what they eat, what they create however is already known since he is living with all of them in the village and he did see them do their own thing. like how the dwarf with their alcohol, the elves with their hunting, the wolves with their mating period, and the spiders with their mass migration.
Well forget subtext, they want it to be that the village chief is theirs. The issue with his partners won't decrease. As long as he lays his hands on someone he would take responsibility and be that person's partner for life. His japanese mc stereotype commands him to do so. So even if men were introduced his current sexual partners won't decrease. The intention is to make it stop increasing. Also to avoid the problem with incest. That is why they need more men and a second village.
With how they got a lot of demon civil officials delegating stuff won't run out, I doubt they would scheme things given how they tasted defeat. That plus no one could contest the strength of the mc if he is mad. The scheming thing won't happen for a while since the life in the village is too luxurious, I would say, compared to even the life of a demon king, dragon king and vampire ancestor. Internally there should be no scheming for a takeover, outside the village and those under their wing however could happen as an invasion. That would be for the future if ever someone wants to declare war on them. They already have an army too so things are okay for now in that front.
Him farming and being happy is his first and foremost purpose to be in this world, it defeats this second life if he can't act it out because he didn't want to think too deeply about a revolt. "Too deeply" meaning he is still thinking about it but to what degree, we don't know.
Him choosing the tournament because its the first one he picked is fair democracy in his mind. He wants it that the other villagers put forth their ideas too so he won't turn it down because its violent. He even established rules to make it a lot more less violent. That goal of cultural exhibition can still be accomplished through food or him watching how the different races from his villagers fight on stage.
i.e. how the lamias coil their tails on a target, what kind of magic they used, how the spiders, wolves fight with other. It should be enough to see their culture in that aspect(combat). Their culture in how they live, what they eat, what they create however is already known since he is living with all of them in the village and he did see them do their own thing. like how the dwarf with their alcohol, the elves with their hunting, the wolves with their mating period, and the spiders with their mass migration.
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