Isekai Yakkyoku - Ch. 52 - Brother's Intention

[feha]

Forgive me if I am misinterpreting your post, that is entirely possible as tone doesn't always translate in text... (even with emojis).

If you interpreted my second post as detailing exactly what my first post was sarcastically saying (demonstrably false reality), through further sarcasm (faux mock shock at demonstrably false reality being false), then you interpreted it right
(both posts being such to express my annoyance at the authors development - a double-whammy I like to use to vent annoyance. That - like a knock-knock joke - requires someone asking what I mean with the first post. I suspect it's people reading the mood and kindly giving me the follow-up I was requesting (which is appreciated), but I'm happy even if they actually were confused (either way I happily got my equivalent of "who's there?"))

It doesn't look like regret in those panels, it doesn't look like he is diagnosing his brother, and it certainly doesn't look like he is curing his brother (which, I am reasonably sure requires him to speak verbally to do).

Yes. Neither of those three things happened in that scene. Stating obviously untrue things like that is a form of communication that can be used in many ways.
In this case, it showed my annoyance with authors using such 'foreshadowing' by taking the slightly humorous grammatical error of said 'foreshadowing' (that was obvious in what it meant and could have been easily internally corrected just by seeing what actually happens in that scene) and pretending it was correct - in the process explicitly rejecting reality and imposing my own, an imaginary one (that is with even the most cursory glance demonstrably false. thee times over) where it wasn't foreshadowing and thus I had nothing to be annoyed by.

What it does look like is him accepting that his brother and brother's friend are telling the truth (at the moment) and him leaving without questioning further.

Yes. That is what actually happened in that scene. And the fact that it was forced like that (right, so you see your brother all black and blue and don't care to make certain there's no complications from that, or otherwise help it heal? Even if you believed them, the following actions made no sense) only made my annoyance with the authors development greater.

 

[Aricitic]

If you interpreted my second post as detailing exactly what my first post was sarcastically saying (demonstrably false reality), through further sarcasm (faux mock shock at demonstrably false reality being false), then you interpreted it right
(both posts being such to express my annoyance at the authors development - a double-whammy I like to use to vent annoyance. That - like a knock-knock joke - requires someone asking what I mean with the first post. I suspect it's people reading the mood and kindly giving me the follow-up I was requesting (which is appreciated), but I'm happy even if they actually were confused (either way I happily got my equivalent of "who's there?"))

Yes. Neither of those three things happened in that scene. Stating obviously untrue things like that is a form of communication that can be used in many ways.
In this case, it showed my annoyance with authors using such 'foreshadowing' by taking the slightly humorous grammatical error of said 'foreshadowing' (that was obvious in what it meant and could have been easily internally corrected just by seeing what actually happens in that scene) and pretending it was correct - in the process explicitly rejecting reality and imposing my own, an imaginary one (that is with even the most cursory glance demonstrably false. thee times over) where it wasn't foreshadowing and thus I had nothing to be annoyed by.

Yes. That is what actually happened in that scene. And the fact that it was forced like that (right, so you see your brother all black and blue and don't care to make certain there's no complications from that, or otherwise help it heal? Even if you believed them, the following actions made no sense) only made my annoyance with the authors development greater.

It, uh, am embarrassed to admit that either I, outright fully missed your first post, or didn't read the names of the people for the posts... and therefore completely and utterly missed that you were being sarcastic...
My fault, really. I should try to pay more attention to "who" is posting and not just "what" they are posting. Obviously not doing so leads to things like this.

Now that you have pointed it out, it's absolutely obvious. When I first/second read it (second to make my reply) I wasn't fully sure if it was sarcasm or not, but left the possiblity in there just in case.
(Admittedly part of the reason for my confusion on the tone is because of AnotherDuck's "confused" reaction to the post. I made an assumption with that, that it wasn't sarcasm. clearly that assumption was wrong... but, eh?)

Now that I full understand what you were doing, I fully agree with you. Honestly the fact that a full grown adult, regardless of "reincarnation into a child's body," should have enough worldly experience to recognize the nuances of the other two as "clearly hiding something," which either makes this entire situation extremely forced... or the Mangaka couldn't figure out a way to "show" they were hiding something without... obviously showing it...

 

[feha]

It, uh, am embarrassed to admit that either I, outright fully missed your first post, or didn't read the names of the people for the posts... and therefore completely and utterly missed that you were being sarcastic...
My fault, really. I should try to pay more attention to "who" is posting and not just "what" they are posting. Obviously not doing so leads to things like this.

no worries, I am pretty much the same in never reading who posted what

Now that you have pointed it out, it's absolutely obvious. When I first/second read it (second to make my reply) I wasn't fully sure if it was sarcasm or not, but left the possiblity in there just in case.
(Admittedly part of the reason for my confusion on the tone is because of AnotherDuck's "confused" reaction to the post. I made an assumption with that, that it wasn't sarcasm. clearly that assumption was wrong... but, eh?)

Now that I full understand what you were doing, I fully agree with you. Honestly the fact that a full grown adult, regardless of "reincarnation into a child's body," should have enough worldly experience to recognize the nuances of the other two as "clearly hiding something," which either makes this entire situation extremely forced... or the Mangaka couldn't figure out a way to "show" they were hiding something without... obviously showing it...

Yeah, and additionally my issue was also that even if mc didn't figure it out (sometimes it's fine the obviousness was exaggerated for viewers behalf) it was still very forced that he didn't worry about the brothers body looking like that. At least look for fractures. And maybe more stuff too, that a medicinal professional (but I don't, beyond assuming the existence of) would know to look for on someone claiming to have taken lots of harsh hits in sparring.

 

[kraize]

So I can understand he is ill but what is the end of this? I'm guessing this is the current arc of this event specifically.

 

[dowiet]

I did expect his intentions were good but he's just pushing really hard at it.

 

[mahtan]

As a doctor he should have looked at his brother even wiuth the other guy getting in the way like that.
Even if just a earthg god user there could still be some internal damage that they did not realized before so making sure was the correct move anyway.

 

[Aricitic]

no worries, I am pretty much the same in never reading who posted what

Yeah, and additionally my issue was also that even if mc didn't figure it out (sometimes it's fine the obviousness was exaggerated for viewers behalf) it was still very forced that he didn't worry about the brothers body looking like that. At least look for fractures. And maybe more stuff too, that a medicinal professional (but I don't, beyond assuming the existence of) would know to look for on someone claiming to have taken lots of harsh hits in sparring.

Honestly, literally the only thing saving this is that they were extremely clearly pushing him away. If not for that, I wouldn't be able to accept these events.
He was literally about to check his brother, but stopped. A second more and he would have had a glaring reason to check further...

 

[Doomroar]

So 3 to 4 chapters before he dies, unless Falma develops some magic that cures cancer which is probably what he has

 

[Homuranagi]

I'm more inclined to think that he knows his little brother is a god tier healer and have himself cured by him in a stage where people would recognize the little brother as a true successor as he believes he's inferior, it's a common japanese trope for a kind big brother to pass over the spotlight to the little brother MC

 

[Miserys_End]

NGL, I find the whole terminally ill brother event is utter bullshit. The MC is spotting minor illnesses from accrossed the room and yet can't figure shit out while training with his own brother or dragging his dumb ass back from the literal battlefield after said brother exhausted himself? No first aid, no field examination to make sure he didn't actually get injured rather then just running out of stamina, just carrying his limp ass back home without a care....

Then the whole BS song and dance after seeing the deep fucking bruises and to dumbfucks obviously deflecting like kids who just smashed a window.

This is some S grade forced plot shit right here, and while the author should be embarrassed for writing it, the MC should feel some deep soul rotting shame for being this blindsided by his brothers piss poor attempts of hiding his illness.

 

[Kefrayba]

I remember from WN that the brother was afflicted with

Spoiler

leukemia. I read a bit that Falma eventually find out and tried to threat him. But stop reading then because the translator group that took over was barely better than MTL.

 

[Shinigamisama]

I wonder why big bro never heard of him as well, even from the grapevine, but seeing all these walls of text discussing it, I guess ignorance is bliss.

I only hope big bro doesn't die.

 

[NextOrder]

As a doctor he should have looked at his brother even wiuth the other guy getting in the way like that.
Even if just a earthg god user there could still be some internal damage that they did not realized before so making sure was the correct move anyway.

What a lot of people are forgetting is that he's not a doctor, he's a pharmacist and one that spend most of their time doing lab work not in the field with patients.

 

[TestAddress]

It is super obvious, he most likely has some disease that can't be cured easily, and he hopes for his younger brother to take over.

It might be cancer, that would fit with the story, and with the MCs little sister dying from the same disease in his old life.

Basically, the brother's body is a can of worms, figuratively and physically.

I wonder why big bro never heard of him as well, even from the grapevine, but seeing all these walls of text discussing it, I guess ignorance is bliss.

I only hope big bro doesn't die.

He will. 100%. Drama is needed anyway.

 

[TestAddress]

Nah, I've seen those. They're rare, but they exist.

Classroom of the Elite.

 

[residentFATBOY]

👺

 

[Wyrm]

What a lot of people are forgetting is that he's not a doctor, he's a pharmacist and one that spend most of their time doing lab work not in the field with patients.

To be fair, he was indeed a researcher in pharmacology in his previous life.
But now his main occupation is pharmacist, but he also has activities of diagnosis patients and magical powers to help with these two roles.
So he kind of fulfills all three roles: researching, producing and selling medicine, diagnosing and treating patients.
He is not so much "a pharmacist" as he is an all-purpose "medical professional". "Pharmacist" is just his official title.

It does feel like a movie "scientist". You know, "the scientist" type that specializes in biology, chemistry, nuclear physics, astrophysics, etc... all at the same time in one character. But this manga is not going that far since Pharma only specializes in medicine-related fields.

 

[Miserys_End]

What a lot of people are forgetting is that he's not a doctor, he's a pharmacist and one that spend most of their time doing lab work not in the field with patients.

I do see your point, but feel that is only the foundation that his character is built upon. And don't forget, his whole reason he entered the pharmaceutical research field was because he lost his little sister to cancer. So if all the spoilers are true, this should have been main field of study.

But the most egregious failure from my perspective is that he has a magical diagnostic tool that he near constantly uses. Oh sure his first reaction might not be scanning for the different forms of cancer, but given the traumas of his past life, you can be damn sure he would do so on the regular just in case. And much more insistently when his brother exhibits symptoms of a chronic illness he extensively studied in his past life.

 

[HatoSensei]

Only the high ranking nobles knew he treated the queen. And all the MC's achievements were done anonymously because he didn't want to stand out. The church also never made any statements about the MC because requested the priest not to.

So unless someone in the know told him, it is impossible for the brother to know.

Did you forget about the arc where he has a fued with the alchemists in the city, the guild?

Or the fact it is known that “Otherworld Pharmacy” has the patronage of the Empress. Pretty sure that was a thing, like written down on the doors or something like that.

Also,the guy often worked right in the loby where the citizens saw ayoung kid instructing the stuff how to work. He also diagnosed a bunch of people in the city.

Also, he LITERALLY FLEW AND FROZE A WHOLE DAMN TOWN IN A DOME.

His brother must have lived some damn Hermit life, to not have picked up any of that... While also being an alchemist, and his brother.

 

[NextOrder]

Did you forget about the arc where he has a fued with the alchemists in the city, the guild?

Or the fact it is known that “Otherworld Pharmacy” has the patronage of the Empress. Pretty sure that was a thing, like written down on the doors or something like that.

Also,the guy often worked right in the loby where the citizens saw ayoung kid instructing the stuff how to work. He also diagnosed a bunch of people in the city.

Also, he LITERALLY FLEW AND FROZE A WHOLE DAMN TOWN IN A DOME.

His brother must have lived some damn Hermit life, to not have picked up any of that... While also being an alchemist, and his brother.

First off, they're pharmacist not alchemist. And second, this is a medieval setting and despite having magic, they have not shown any long distance communication magic or at least not one that is easily assessable. We take for granted how easy it is to spread and obtain information today (and false information unfortunately) thanks to the Internet but back in the past it could take days or even weeks for information to get to different areas. His brother was studying outside of the capital (can't remember if it was overseas or not) so he couldn't get much information from where he was.

And most of the Pharmacy Guild members are dead already due to the Black Plague.

Remember said same Pharmacy Guild send a carriage with fertilizer (dirt in the manga for some reason) crashing into the store. It's obvious the commoners either don't keep track or cared that the Pharmacy has patronage of the Empress. The former member of the Pharmacy Guild who later joined the MC as a distributer himself didn't recognize the MC until he saw the badge.

He was about try and diagnosed his brother in one panel but his brother and friend convinced him that it was old bruises due to training.

It was a town that wasn't close the capital and the MC wore a mask the entire time and kept his identity a secret.


The brother did know about the pharmacy existing at least and was going to go check it out. He just wanted to spend time with his family first being away from home for who knows how long. The next chapter, he went to the pharmacy to meet at the owner and the MC was panicking on what to do so Ellen decided tell him that the owner is busy and leave. But they got into an argument and decided to duel it out. There we see that he was actually holding back when facing the MC but then he collapse due to his disease and that's when the MC finally diagnosed him.