Itsuka Fukushuu Suru Sono Tame ni - Ch. 35 - I was just acting nice to you for my vengeance.

[Eighty-six]

Fuck this author? Have you seen what's out there? In a certain top ranked romcom the MC just came in his pants after his 17-18 fake girlfriend rubbed his dick over his pants while trying to fuck him. Leave if you want! You'll be back, they always come back

Keep spitting! Let them know they ain't like that!

Talking like they got standards while they come back week after week to suck up the trash like they're Kirby!

wait, I just realized what romcom you were talking about

 

[beThereShortly]

I'll give you two more chapter and I'm out if you don't turn things around.

 

[EeevZ]

MFW

 

[FgoSegul]

Seem like you haven't read Ch.13 in R18 version didn't you because what she did to him definitely justify for him to hit her and that's still an understatement on that hit

you’re right and i will continue not to because im not a gooner contrary to what my bookmarks would have you believe

 

[FgoSegul]

Fuck this author? Have you seen what's out there? In a certain top ranked romcom the MC just came in his pants after his 17-18 fake girlfriend rubbed his dick over his pants while trying to fuck him. Leave if you want! You'll be back, they always come back

SOUNDS LIKE MAH GOAT SERIES RENT A GIRLFRIEND LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

 

[Andasen]

We're in the endgame now

 

[Eighty-six]

If a murderer murders you father then feels guilty afterward are they entitled to forgiveness?

I don't know anything about "entitlement", but this guy pretended that he forgave her, and then when it was clear enough that actually didn't, he was being swayed by her actualized contrition before throwing away all that development just to re-commit to being vengeful.

We're not talking about whether someone "is entitled to forgiveness"-- we're talking about giving dissimulated forgiveness in a context where you constantly and freely associate with this person.

Nobody's insisting he forgives her. She doesn't do any of what she does with the expectation he forgives her. However, he started this relationship pretending to forgive her. He received the benefits of her making amends, both before and after it became clear that he still bore resentment against her. He chose to not forgive her, even when he was coming around to it, without denying the authenticity of her motives. He is having sex with her.

My point is, being wronged by someone doesn't mean one can't be criticized for their own wrong conduct, hypocrisies, and whatever else.

 

[Kimochi-kun]

I don't know anything about "entitlement", but this guy pretended that he forgave her, and then when it was clear enough that actually didn't, he was being swayed by her actualized contrition before throwing away all that development just to re-commit to being vengeful.

We're not talking about whether someone "is entitled to forgiveness"-- we're talking about giving dissimulated forgiveness in a context where you constantly and freely associate with this person.

Nobody's insisting he forgives her. She doesn't do any of what she does with the expectation he forgives her. However, he started this relationship pretending to forgive her. He received the benefits of her making amends, both before and after it became clear that he still bore resentment against her. He chose to not forgive her, even when he was coming around to it, without denying the authenticity of her motives. He is having sex with her.

My point is, being wronged by someone doesn't mean one can't be criticized for their own wrong conduct, hypocrisies, and whatever else.

Agree

Not commenting about what the FMC did in the past and in the present,
What the MC did to her is also vile.
Quite disgusting to be honest.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

I don't know anything about "entitlement", but this guy pretended that he forgave her, and then when it was clear enough that actually didn't, he was being swayed by her actualized contrition before throwing away all that development just to re-commit to being vengeful.

We're not talking about whether someone "is entitled to forgiveness"-- we're talking about giving dissimulated forgiveness in a context where you constantly and freely associate with this person.

Nobody's insisting he forgives her. She doesn't do any of what she does with the expectation he forgives her. However, he started this relationship pretending to forgive her. He received the benefits of her making amends, both before and after it became clear that he still bore resentment against her. He chose to not forgive her, even when he was coming around to it, without denying the authenticity of her motives. He is having sex with her.

My point is, being wronged by someone doesn't mean one can't be criticized for their own wrong conduct, hypocrisies, and whatever else.

I know I said MC is wrong and his actions are childish and that I agree with you in my previous post.

However…

I’m also saying FMC should be criticized as well and isn’t in any way free of guilt either and even if she “changed” she still traumatized a guy.

My other point is that while its a bad action of MCs it makes sense for his character.

This isn’t something you should as the reader expect MC to let go so easily. She emotionally blackmailed him so he wants to emotionally blackmail her back.

An eye for an eye even though two wrongs don’t make a right and quite frankly he himself in his vengeance is becoming the bully he hates…

so the question is if he’ll change or not…

 

[onionskins]

• This manga is literally about revenge.
• The MC finally gets his revenge.
• Everyone: “HoW dArE yOu blah blah blah—”

Bruh moment

 

[Lolipop_Candy]

Let's see, the punishment is give birth MC's baby while having labor sex

 

[Eighty-six]

I’m also saying FMC should be criticized as well

Criticized for what? Things that were obviously evil, that were (and continue to be, in fact) already criticized and are no longer happening? Why beat the dead horse over completed actions, in tandem with continuously criticizing ongoing actions? Why even bother, when this guy is more than willing to repeatedly insert his own body into the body of this woman that sexually violated him?

My other point is that while its a bad action of MCs it makes sense for his character.

It makes sense for his character if we're supposed to view him as a hypocrite and snake who thinks he's entitled to doing whatever he wants to other people because he was hurt.

Again, I'm not concerned about whether he forgives her or not-- my consternation is that he pretended to and then formed a relationship with his former bully under false pretenses. A relationship where she opted to actively do things for his sake, including giving over her body for his sexual gratification and using herself as a lightning rod for his bullying. He can just not forgive her and not have anything to do with her-- or, he could have not forgiven her and then joined with her bullies to begin with.

She emotionally blackmailed him

No, she didn't. She regular blackmailed him, and also ran the regular gamut of Japanese bullying. They weren't in an intimate relationship prior to or during her bullying campaign. He doesn't recount any betrayal from her. She doesn't recount her doing anything like what he's done to her. What he is doing was a novelty in their interactions by the start of this narrative.

Which makes it a bit worse-- because, of course, it'd be ideal to think "if I think what happened to me is bad, why do I want to do that bad thing to this person". But he didn't start out doing something to her, that she did to him in the past.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

Criticized for what? Things that were obviously evil, that were (and continue to be, in fact) already criticized and are no longer happening? Why beat the dead horse over completed actions, in tandem with continuously criticizing ongoing actions? Why even bother, when this guy is more than willing to repeatedly insert his own body into the body of this woman that sexually violated him?


It makes sense for his character if we're supposed to view him as a hypocrite and snake who thinks he's entitled to doing whatever he wants to other people because he was hurt.

Again, I'm not concerned about whether he forgives her or not-- my consternation is that he pretended to and then formed a relationship with his former bully under false pretenses. A relationship where she opted to actively do things for his sake, including giving over her body for his sexual gratification and using herself as a lightning rod for his bullying. He can just not forgive her and not have anything to do with her-- or, he could have not forgiven her and then joined with her bullies to begin with.

r/woosh

 

[Eighty-six]

r/woosh

Rather, I think you missed part of my point.

The thesis of your point is that it can't be expected for him to let go of what she did, and it makes sense for him to be the way he is. My counterpoint is (simply) there's a difference between "you can't expect him to forgive her" and "it makes sense for him to do what he does", the specifics of any iteration of his revenge plan don't actually make sense, and his revenge didn't actually involve reciprocation (ironically, it would if he started out just participating in the ongoing bullying campaign against her).

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

Rather, I think you missed part of my point.

The thesis of your point is that it can't be expected for him to let go of what she did, and it makes sense for him to be the way he is. My counterpoint is (simply) there's a difference between "you can't expect him to forgive her" and "it makes sense for him to do what he does", the specifics of any iteration of his revenge plan don't actually make sense, and his revenge didn't actually involve reciprocation (ironically, it would if he started out just participating in the ongoing bullying campaign against her).

My point is he is doing something wrong but it isn’t out of character.

And his goal is emotional pain rather than physical. Yeah he can bully her but like for him thats not enough.
He wants her to feel his pain emotionally. Thats why he’s trying to emotionally blackmail her because he himself felt deep emotional trauma from her actions.

Like I said MC is trying to go for an eye for an eye approach. Causing her as much or even more emotional pain as she did to him because it is such a deep emotional scar of his.

As for your point I agreed with it. I said I think he is in the wrong. However I disagree with you just brushing FMCs actions under the rug. Yes she is changing and thats good but acting like she’s free of all responsibility is kinda stupid. Like imagine the roles reversed and MC sexually assaulted FMC then she tries to emotionally blackmail him but he’s “changed”

Both are bad actions but only one is a crime.

Its fine to feel sympathy for her situation now but just like MC sympathy doesn’t deny her bad actions

 

[Eighty-six]

He wants her to feel his pain emotionally.

If that were the case, he'd have participated in the bullying campaign already going on against her. Because she launched a bullying campaign against him, and that's what got him all twisted up.

Yes she is changing and thats good but acting like she’s free of all responsibility is kinda stupid.

No it isn't, because he insisted on making her believe he was freeing her from that responsibility when he was pretending to forgive her in the first place, despite her being acutely aware of the depth of her transgressions all the while. It's fully stupid for him to yo-yo his forgiveness like that, where there's no observable-from-the-outside distinction between "I only pretended to forgive you despite insisting that I did" and "I decided I didn't forgive you, after all, despite insisting that I did". How is she even supposed to take responsibility, when he keeps revising his indication about whether she needs to take responsibility, despite her inherent willingness to take responsibility?

I'm not brushing her actions under the rug. I've described more sensible ways of getting his revenge. I've described more reciprocal means of revenge. I'm consternated with how this guy behaves as if his being victimized by her frees him from any expectation of coherence. It's completely rational for him to want revenge, but the fact that his desire for revenge is rational doesn't also make rational any specific manner of revenge he undertakes. It certainly doesn't make rational his constant sex-having with her-- who's out here willingly copulating with someone who sexually assaulted them once?

 

[catsdontsmile]

SOUNDS LIKE MAH GOAT SERIES RENT A GIRLFRIEND LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

 

[CulR]

The only things I can think of that would warrant this level of revenge are so illegal she would be in jail before he could get his revenge, so this HAS to be some sort of revenge porn or something.

Pretty good guess. In the R18, she did something like that.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

I think we’re both misunderstanding each other.

My main points were you initially stating how stupid it was for him to go for the revenge and how it doesn’t make any sense for him to do so. Along with the I don’t care about what she did in the past statement.

Now yes he could bully her but realistically how is this causing her more harm than personal emotional manipulation?

The revenge loses its personal effect, she’s bullied by so many other people, so why would she care if one bully just happen to be someone she bullied in the past, plus she has nothing to lose already.

By getting close to her giving her something to lose MC tries to destroy her. The sex between them is truthfully fetish hate sex content first and foremost like the entirety of this manga but, makes sense considering he’s trying really damn hard to get close to her in a small amount of time. He is VERY vengeful to the point it poisons his own actions.

And maybe I am being too harsh to FMC. I’ll admit that, but those actions aren’t something you can apologize for or just forget. Its incomparable to emotionally hurting someone by lying which he still does get beat up for her , help her out, and didn’t actually do anything malicious outside of the lie.

In comparison, she sexually assaults him, blackmails him, and makes his life a living hell.

Like I said I get it she’s trying to change but she honestly has no way to make it up to him because to him it isn’t enough and this is a lifelong trauma of his.

Ultimately, it runs deep and while I disagree with MCs actions they are understandable for his character and ultimately some actions aren’t forgivable and something you should seek forgiveness for.

 

[JacksDemonHole]

This has always just been goofy bait, but author san still pushing it lmao