Josou shite Off-Kai ni Sanka shite mita. - Vol. 3 Ch. 55

[Thrembs]

Not to judge ya for it because I was busy editing, but you need to see the updated text. I'll paste it here.

Spoiler: Cocoa arc spoilers?

The whole idea with Cocoa isn't so much whether they're trans or cis, but whether she feels comfortable being himself. We don't get a real resolution one way or the other, but because of the struggles that come with self-image and with expression through the weirdness that is gender, we get trans vibes off the story as a whole. Tarou is the most obviously trans character because of her stating it outright, especially in the Japanese, but Cocoa's story is similar to Tarou's in that Cocoa is approaching their gender identity and expression with intent. For all we know, Cocoa post-story might want to use labels like femboy, x-gender, bigender, or, heaven forbid to some folks, trans, but the main idea we get here is that Cocoa is on this journey on their own terms and they're being encouraged to feel comfortable with themselves.

Spoiler

Fair, but that’s Schrödinger‘s gender, and always applies to fictional characters. It’s just more sensible of a case, here.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

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Fair, but that’s Schrödinger‘s gender, and always applies to fictional characters. It’s just more sensible of a case, here.

I'll give you that. I'm just more open to the idea of gender freedom being a theme in these stories. We need more crossdressing/trans/genderbend series where the need for a strict binary in identity and expression is abandoned in favor of the former being more of a bimodal distribution and the latter being more like hex code for colors.

 

[Thrembs]

Oh and btw, Japan still sees Bridget as a femboy.

A: you feel comfortable speaking for an entire country when you can barely speak?
B: She says she’s a girl, the creators say she’s a girl. You can load your head canon up with as much powder as you want, and it
l still be head canon. You’re welcome to it, but that’s what it is. It’s also ridiculous, but whatever.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

A: you feel comfortable speaking for an entire country when you can barely speak?
B: She says she’s a girl, the creators say she’s a girl. You can load your head canon up with as much powder as you want, and it
l still be head canon. You’re welcome to it, but that’s what it is. It’s also ridiculous, but whatever.

He's angry and feels the need to throw punches at the crotch in order to get attention and feel important. His swing and a miss was with his trying to bring up a private account of mine (made so because it was being spam-bot-raided) and he telegraphed his future moves with his need to do that.

 

[smolbaka]

A: you feel comfortable speaking for an entire country when you can barely speak?
B: She says she’s a girl, the creators say she’s a girl. You can load your head canon up with as much powder as you want, and it
l still be head canon. You’re welcome to it, but that’s what it is. It’s also ridiculous, but whatever.

The lack of a transgender tag, and the abundance of otokonoko plastered all over japanese artworks of him, I can pretty much say it's true what I said.

Your next line of thought would probably be "but otokonoko includes transgender!!!"

In your dreams really.

 

[Thrembs]

Please lots of sensible things

There’s no reason to try to argue with someone who refused to accept one trans woman coming out in this story being called trans and made a big stink about it, and STILL refuses to accept that Bridget of Guilty Gear is a girl, despite her entire story of her DLC being about her finally coming out and ends with her coming out, and the creators putting out a lengthy statement about it.

 

[Thrembs]

The lack of a transgender tag, and the abundance of otokonoko plastered all over japanese artworks of him, I can pretty much say it's true what I said.

Your next line of thought would probably be "but otokonoko includes transgender!!!"

In your dreams really.

You really think there’s some monoculture cabal conspiracy, don’t you?

No, I’m going to say “I don’t care”.
Head canon, however popular, is head canon.
Have fun.
Just stop fussing about it.
Pretend Survive never happened, and/or move on.

We have Freminet and Lyney, now. I applaud that. I was super psyched. That game is all kind of gender and sexuality “idgaf” and that rules. I don’t play it any more, but that’s because I only retro game these days.


Well, Lyney’s whole scene is full Rocky Horror Cabaret wildness that I have no place trying to categorise. Regardless, he’s walking around in traditionally-feminine underwear (and boots hat and gloves) and I applaud the chutzpah.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

The lack of a transgender tag, and the abundance of otokonoko plastered all over japanese artworks of him, I can pretty much say it's true what I said.

Your next line of thought would probably be "but otokonoko includes transgender!!!"

In your dreams really.

Weren't you temp-banned for acting like this?

You can have your headcanon and other folks can have theirs, but you need to either be mature about the disagreements or keep it to yourself. You've already told on yourself with how you're willing to behave here, so why not cool off and actually read other works rather than act like you have to be the martyr?

 

[smolbaka]

Weren't you temp-banned for acting like this?

You can have your headcanon and other folks can have theirs, but you need to either be mature about it or keep it to yourself.

I sure was and what I posted then was, admittedly, bit too much.

But hey it was a little funny wasn't it

 

[ariel_haymarket]

I sure was and what I posted then was, admittedly, bit too much.

So you admit that you are fully cognizant of what you're doing.

 

[smolbaka]

You really think there’s some monoculture cabal conspiracy, don’t you?

No, I’m going to say “I don’t care”.
Head canon, however popular, is head canon.
Have fun.
Just stop fussing about it.
Pretend Survive never happened, and/or move on.

We have Freminet and Lyney, now. I applaud that. I was super psyched. That game is all kind of gender and sexuality “idgaf” and that rules. I don’t play it any more, but that’s because I only retro game these days.


Well, Lyney’s whole scene is full Rocky Horror Cabaret wildness that I have no place trying to categorise. Regardless, he’s walking around in traditionally-feminine underwear (and boots hat and gloves) and I applaud the chutzpah.

True, Lynel and Freminet sure are cute. I haven't paid too much attention lately I barely know more than their existence.

 

[smolbaka]

So you admit that you are fully cognizant of what you're doing.

What exactly am I doing besides having criticism of the manga translation and not taking you seriously?

 

[Thrembs]

True, Lynel and Freminet sure are cute. I haven't paid too much attention lately I barely know more than their existence.

I saw there was an update when I was installing an app and said “I wonder what changed. Oh, new characters coming… Oh, guy in a dress. Ok. They went there. literally applauds Oh, he has siblings. Well, she’s dressed pretty racy. What’s the brother li- …Is that a corset? Those shorts are under his ruffled garter belt. That makes them underwear. Wait, garter belt?! Don’t get strung out/ by the way I look!…”

 

[Thrembs]

I sure was and what I posted then was, admittedly, bit too much.

But hey it was a little funny wasn't it

It was funny in that we were laughing at you. You were being even more f a jackass than now. You’re just being exasperatingly mid-key transphobic, not ragingly hateful.

The kid losing their mind because I said i found it cute that zoomers are using Polaroids when they all have UHD cameras in their pockets? THAT was funny. That’s adorable. That’s “you just don’t get us, you old fogey!” Yeah. That’s what I said. “You don’t know what it’s like wanting to go back to a simpler time!” Id already said I went to a dumb phone.

 

[Thrembs]

What exactly am I doing besides having criticism of the manga translation and not taking you seriously?

Siiiigh, the translation is fine. There are problems with all potential pronouns used, because it’s a bit by nature in Japanese. In this manga you could roll a die and get a usable pronoun most chapters.
Theres no perfect pronouns for “cross-dressing persona of a man who is making an effort to be seen as female by the public at large but being referred to by a friend who does the same thing“. It’s really muddled.
I think the least useful is “they” or a neopronoun, because it implies more gender stuff going on than there is.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

Actual criticism of the manga -

Yeah, some of this story is absolutely forced, but that's the norm for something written in installments out of fear of cancellation. It does feel like a pseudo-romance is being forced onto Opera and Cocoa.

There. That's criticism. Calling out a transgender translator as "having a bias" isn't criticism - it's grounds for being banned.

 

[smolbaka]

Actual criticism of the manga -

Yeah, some of this story is absolutely forced, but that's the norm for something written in installments out of fear of cancellation. It does feel like a pseudo-romance is being forced onto Opera and Cocoa.

There. That's criticism. Calling out a transgender translator as "having a bias" isn't criticism - it's grounds for being banned.

I mean, the transgender translator kinda do be having a bias here given that some sus translation choices have happened, Quite a few times

It's on record. Had a few Japanese mutuals tell me its weird/odd too.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

I mean, the transgender translator kinda do be having a bias here given that some sus translation choices have happened, Quite a few times

It's on record. Had a few Japanese mutuals tell me its weird/odd too.

Either contribute to the discussion or be quiet.

 

[Thrembs]

Actual criticism of the manga -

Yeah, some of this story is absolutely forced, but that's the norm for something written in installments out of fear of cancellation. It does feel like a pseudo-romance is being forced onto Opera and Cocoa.

There. That's criticism. Calling out a transgender translator as "having a bias" isn't criticism - it's grounds for being banned.

I thought it was set up to be a thing pretty well, but it wasn’t kept up effectively, so feels forced, yeah.

 

[Thrembs]

translator kinda do be having a bias…

EVERYONE HAS BIAS.
Thats what humans be doin.
I laugh at my inability to stop looking for Jews in media (people or characters), but that’s just… bein Jewish.