Juuji Tonbo wa Sora o Tobanai - Vol. 1 Ch. 13 - Let Us Stay as Ships in the Night

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[DavidianMillerian]

triple upload? on April Fools?

I don't believe it

 

[PlsJustLetMeRegisterFfs]

The sorta relationship these 2 have is easily my favorite in stories. The dynamic is so nice, and the gap moe from Gecchan here is awesome. I'd ship it if the main pair wasn't immediately obvious.
Now that I gave in to the urge to comment, I actually really like how there are smol bits of Kaori showing that Nanami 's precious to her in like every chapter.
I like to think that Kaori used to have an unaware crush during school, and we're witnessing her reawaken it, or realise it exists simply through interaction with Nanami who, all these years later, is still an awkward, stuck mainly in her own head, but ultimately good person who's just trying, even if not always her best
I nearly shed a tear thinking how to convey this shit that's goin on in my head

 

[UdenEmpati]

I feel like I'd enjoy Gecchan's character more if I didn't know people like her in real life, who--despite any "gap" in how they behave 1-on-1--were so caught up in their overall persona that relied on being an asshole that it overshadowed any "good points" to the extent that I couldn't be around them.

Gecchan reminds me of that too much. She might be kind to Nanami in this moment between them, but she'll still be rude and mean and demeaning in front of others, it seems--and I just can't square that with thinking Nanami should make any effort to be kinder or attempt to reconnect/rebuild in any way.

Ships In The Night would be best. No being friendly, even when alone. What worth is there, when the rest of their world will only see Nanami getting shit on? Even with it being half her fault--she's also the one left with greater suffering. Gecchan being able to play the sympathetic victim means she holds the social power in any dynamic going forward, and she clearly sees no issue in exploiting that right down to inserting herself between Nanami & Kaori.

If it were me....I'd do everything in my power to simply ignore her, and refuse to engage if ever in the same social setting. That's partly who I am, admittedly, but.

I do look forward to more 1-on-1 between Nanami and Kaori, though. It's understandably a slow burn as Nanami's focus is all on her livelihood.
But as things (presumably) stabilize for her, perhaps Kaori will grow more bold with her own feelings and wants in reconnecting like this, and their reunion shifts alongside as they navigate this future between them, together.


Thanks for the TL work.

 

[shinmera]

I feel like I'd enjoy Gecchan's character more if I didn't know people like her in real life, who--despite any "gap" in how they behave 1-on-1--were so caught up in their overall persona that relied on being an asshole that it overshadowed any "good points" to the extent that I couldn't be around them.

Gecchan reminds me of that too much. She might be kind to Nanami in this moment between them, but she'll still be rude and mean and demeaning in front of others, it seems--and I just can't square that with thinking Nanami should make any effort to be kinder or attempt to reconnect/rebuild in any way.

Ships In The Night would be best. No being friendly, even when alone. What worth is there, when the rest of their world will only see Nanami getting shit on? Even with it being half her fault--she's also the one left with greater suffering. Gecchan being able to play the sympathetic victim means she holds the social power in any dynamic going forward, and she clearly sees no issue in exploiting that right down to inserting herself between Nanami & Kaori.

If it were me....I'd do everything in my power to simply ignore her, and refuse to engage if ever in the same social setting. That's partly who I am, admittedly, but.

I do look forward to more 1-on-1 between Nanami and Kaori, though. It's understandably a slow burn as Nanami's focus is all on her livelihood.
But as things (presumably) stabilize for her, perhaps Kaori will grow more bold with her own feelings and wants in reconnecting like this, and their reunion shifts alongside as they navigate this future between them, together.


Thanks for the TL work.

Yeah this is also why I couldn't really see Nanami as the one in the wrong before either. Gecchan agreed to the project, didn't inquire any further, and then sicced her fans onto Nanami when it wasn't what she wanted to see in the story, turning her into a permanent outcast.

I've had enough of that kind of abuse in my own life not to trust people like that at all.

 

[PlsJustLetMeRegisterFfs]

I pondered about that more, and reread past chapters, and...
Gerioji did ask for the text. The way it's shown, Nanami's clearly at fault for not communicating the story direction. Of course, Gerioji absolutely knew that her fanbase would react like it did, and she could've just not take it all online or word her "apology" better. But then again, do you just let your own livelihood potentially tank because your partner did a stupid move?
As far as we see, she doesn't really keep adding any fuel to Yamao hatred.
Neither action really deserves forgiveness here IMO. If any apologies were to be told, I think Nanami must be the first one cause it was her action that kicked off the chain.

On other note, what I think is really fun/somewhat sweet here, depending on how one would see it, is the situation hidden in context. We see that Gecchan is prideful and short tempered. We are also shown that she likes Yamao the author enough to step over her pride with some push.
Imagine the feelings in situation: Some time after the incident, Gecchan is still in her new status quo of disliking Yamao, but realises that she still wants to read her books, that she still likes even the new ones, and that ultimately she's still a fan who cares (as shown) about the author who wronged her. I imagine the cocktail of emotions she must've felt (likely still feels based on this chap) going from one to another, and I like it so much!
She even managed to attempt telling Nanami that her skills are above being bound to doujin works, that she should strive for more.

That all said, I still hate the way she was shown to talk on the net. With passion.
Aw man, just 1k bookmarks. It's sad that this manga isn't more popular

 

[UdenEmpati]

I pondered about that more, and reread past chapters, and...
Gerioji did ask for the text. The way it's shown, Nanami's clearly at fault for not communicating the story direction. Of course, Gerioji absolutely knew that her fanbase would react like it did, and she could've just not take it all online or word her "apology" better. But then again, do you just let your own livelihood potentially tank because your partner did a stupid move?
As far as we see, she doesn't really keep adding any fuel to Yamao hatred.
Neither action really deserves forgiveness here IMO. If any apologies were to be told, I think Nanami must be the first one cause it was her action that kicked off the chain.

On other note, what I think is really fun/somewhat sweet here, depending on how one would see it, is the situation hidden in context. We see that Gecchan is prideful and short tempered. We are also shown that she likes Yamao the author enough to step over her pride with some push.
Imagine the feelings in situation: Some time after the incident, Gecchan is still in her new status quo of disliking Yamao, but realises that she still wants to read her books, that she still likes even the new ones, and that ultimately she's still a fan who cares (as shown) about the author who wronged her. I imagine the cocktail of emotions she must've felt (likely still feels based on this chap) going from one to another, and I like it so much!
She even managed to attempt telling Nanami that her skills are above being bound to doujin works, that she should strive for more.

That all said, I still hate the way she was shown to talk on the net. With passion.
Aw man, just 1k bookmarks. It's sad that this manga isn't more popular

As characters telling a narrative, I appreciate what the author is doing.

If I were in Nanami's shoes, even with the context of the fault she carried?

Gerioji has way more clout than Nanami, and effectively blackballed her. Yes, her own professional creditability was attrached to the project, and Nanami owns her part in the ensuing dispute.

But that doesn't change the fact that Nanami is the one who saw her situation deteriorate, and it was very clearly due to Gerioji's sway in the community and the stark disparity in their soft power among their peers and readers.
Gerioji making fun of Nanami working a part-time service job in this chapter doesn't help her case, either. She can claim herself a grudging fan of Nanami's work, but guess what--Nanami's at constant risk of having to give up her passion, and it's largely the result of Genioji's continued blackballing of her via her dedicated fanbase.

Sure, she could make something other than R18 Doujin. Guess what? Nanami doesn't want to. Genioji got upset that she was tasked with illustrations for something she didn't like. So why should Nanami be told "just do other things", when Genioji blew up over something so similar pushed upon her?

I reiterate--their dynamic as a narrative is compelling. As people, I would be cordial with Genioji, but I would do everything in my power to not interact with her in any situation or context.

Honestly, realistically speaking? Nanami makes a better person than I, because I would have let Genioji crash and burn at that convention, rather than send my friend, illustrator, and helper to assist her.

 

[Midoriha]

Yeah this is also why I couldn't really see Nanami as the one in the wrong before either. Gecchan agreed to the project, didn't inquire any further, and then sicced her fans onto Nanami when it wasn't what she wanted to see in the story, turning her into a permanent outcast.

I've had enough of that kind of abuse in my own life not to trust people like that at all.

Well, if you're a [X] artist and someone hires you to draw [X] I think the normal assumption is that the work I'm hired to work for will be about [X]

And she didn't sicc her fans onto Nanami at all whatsoever. Perhaps you should re-read the chapters since you got the situation completely wrong?

Nanami outcasted herself with her bait and switch, which could have hurt the professional reputation of the person she hired for with that bait and switch, and then absolutely refusing to accept any fault and starting to argue with people when she's very clearly in the wrong.
She made herself a pariah through her own actions alone.

As characters telling a narrative, I appreciate what the author is doing.

If I were in Nanami's shoes, even with the context of the fault she carried?

Gerioji has way more clout than Nanami, and effectively blackballed her. Yes, her own professional creditability was attrached to the project, and Nanami owns her part in the ensuing dispute.

But that doesn't change the fact that Nanami is the one who saw her situation deteriorate, and it was very clearly due to Gerioji's sway in the community and the stark disparity in their soft power among their peers and readers.
Gerioji making fun of Nanami working a part-time service job in this chapter doesn't help her case, either. She can claim herself a grudging fan of Nanami's work, but guess what--Nanami's at constant risk of having to give up her passion, and it's largely the result of Genioji's continued blackballing of her via her dedicated fanbase.

Sure, she could make something other than R18 Doujin. Guess what? Nanami doesn't want to. Genioji got upset that she was tasked with illustrations for something she didn't like. So why should Nanami be told "just do other things", when Genioji blew up over something so similar pushed upon her?

I reiterate--their dynamic as a narrative is compelling. As people, I would be cordial with Genioji, but I would do everything in my power to not interact with her in any situation or context.

Honestly, realistically speaking? Nanami makes a better person than I, because I would have let Genioji crash and burn at that convention, rather than send my friend, illustrator, and helper to assist her.

Geri is telling her "you're a good enough writer, why the fuck are you wasting your time on a crummy part job when you could make a good living writing good shit? Don't waste your skills". This is a completely different thing from baiting and switching people like Nanami did, trying to take advantage of a popular artist for the sake of clout. But somehow now the same clout is bad because it backfired on her? C'mon.

And like I said on the previous quote, no. Geri didn't "blackball" her. She dug her own grave through her own faulty actions and then refusing to acknowledge her own mistakes.
Life works on trust and reputation. And she crashed and burned hers. Of course people will trust and defend Geri who's built a reputation as a good dependable artist despite any quirks.
All of this is the consequence of her own actions. She could indeed have let Geri crash and burn at the con, but that'd just mean Nanami is simply doubling down on all her mistakes and refusing to accept her fault. Narratively, that'd be the worst thing that could happen to her. It would show she's still an ass and that she hasn't grown at all. Is that really what you want your MC to be?

 

[yoorie19]

It feels weird to see a Kirara character smoking instead of drinking alcohol lol

 

[alfirizkyr]

What Nanami did to Gerioji's project is definitely upsetting, but I still feel that what Gerioji did in retaliation was pretty off-kilter too, given the span of the repercussions that she had to suffer through. I suppose it feels a lot like the case of a kid being bullied for failing to read the room or other small social mistakes … or such. Which is why I still can't bring myself to like Gerioji.

I like their mutual respect and mutual fuck-you dynamic, it's pretty close to the relationship of rivals that I really like and is pretty compelling, but the standing between the two is way too different for me to really like them as a pair, either.

I guess it's kinda like what's said above. Nanami is a way better person than I am because I wouldn't have ever had the good conscience to help or even get within 10 ft of Gerioji had this happened to me.

 

[PlsJustLetMeRegisterFfs]

As characters telling a narrative, I appreciate what the author is doing.

I reiterate--their dynamic as a narrative is compelling. As people, I would be cordial with Genioji, but I would do everything in my power to not interact with her in any situation or context.

Dw about the rest, then! We got different personal views, and it's great — I've been praising that about characters here
We all can enjoy a manga even if we like it differently. And writing about things we enjoyed seeing is the point of forum section (imo) and, conveniently, what manga we're commenting on is about too!