Kimi ni Aisarete Itakatta - Vol. 6 Ch. 40 - Childhood Friend

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I can see where you're coming from but even then I think there are a few problems and inconsistencies. If that was Hiroshi's backstory and psychology, it would make sense for him not to be in a rush to seduce Kanae and would make sense for him to seem sincere.
But as far as I can remember Hiroshi in older chapters seemed more than that, he seemed inexperienced and shy or embarrassed about the idea of having sex with Kanae, and it wouldn't make sense for a teenager with quite a bit of sexual experience to be that way.
Unless there's a specific reason why he's that way.

This chapter is obviously the beginning of the reveal of that reason.

A man with experience doesn't act like this. Telling me he's said he has some doesn't fix the problem. And there's nothing that the author can come up with that will explain this behavior properly. We're talking past each other.
You're insistent on making an overly broad generalization that prevents you from understanding this character despite his attributes being explicitly accounted for.

It can set it up by having him behave the way a man with experience behaves, and not a shy virgin boy.
He's not behaving like a "shy virgin boy", he's behaving like someone who's attracted to a woman he sincerely cares about that he doesn't want to have sex with outside a dating context because of a specific hang-up in his past that's currently being explored.

Meanwhile said woman is forcing herself on him and keeping him from refusing her by confounding the fact that he likes her and the matter of having sex with her.

You're so fixated on the fact that he's supposedly "acting like a virgin" that you're hardly interacting with what's being shown or its significance to the characters.

Tends to happen when you're left explaining basic Human physiology on the internet.
Your "Human psychology" can't even calculate after what point the attitude you're talking about is supposed to set in. There's no reason why it can't happen after the first time, or why it would certainly appear after the third or fourth time. Your conception of psychology-- even as it pertains strictly to this context-- is unidimensional, as if a personality isn't multifaceted and influenced by countless natural and acquired factors.

Having sex with multiple different women is precisely "Repeated exposure".
Every person is unique enough that no matter what, you're not having the same exact sexual experience with different people.
 
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So he was popular because he had lots of sex? Did all the characters know about this?
 
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In the end of chapter two the girls asked Kanae if she had sex with Hiroshi so maybe?
 
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You're insistent on making an overly broad generalization that prevents you from understanding this character despite his attributes being explicitly accounted for.
It's exactly the right scope of generalization; this situation isn't that new to him.
He's not behaving like a "shy virgin boy", he's behaving like someone who's attracted to a woman he sincerely cares about that he doesn't want to have sex with outside a dating context because of a specific hang-up in his past that's currently being explored.
Right. Add in "and he's also a virgin" and you've got the exact attitude he's taking. Otherwise, he'd be much more collected than this. Hell, a horse acclimated to mortar fire in just eight shots.
Your "Human psychology"
You're going to want to read that again. The word is "PHYSIOLOGY".
Every person is unique enough that no matter what, you're not having the same exact sexual experience with different people.
"People never acclimate to sexual activity because you never get identical experiences" -You, apparently.
 
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It's exactly the right scope of generalization; this situation isn't that new to him.
Having sex with Kanae is absolutely new to him.

Otherwise, he'd be much more collected than this.
According to what principle? You keep superceding everything that surrounds and goes into this scene with your fixation on him "acting like a virgin".

You're going to want to read that again. The word is "PHYSIOLOGY".
That makes even less sense.

"People never acclimate to sexual activity because you never get identical experiences" -You, apparently.
Some people do. It's not inherently a universal experience, even putting aside the context for this situation. Do husbands and wives necessarily become desensitized to having sex with each other based on the frequency of doing it?

I've seriously been trying to not be "that guy", but you don't read like you've had enough experience to know what being in a sexual encounter with someone you particularly value can be like. You think they have to act in one specific way, as if they're not an entire person with their particular baggage or considerations in that situation.

The bottom line of this conflict is that he doesn't want to have sex with her at this point in time, she keeps forcing the matter, and he doesn't know how to manage the situation without hurting her in the rejection-- putting aside that she won't accept his conviction, and she won't stop despite his protests.

Does having various sexual experiences also necessarily prepare him for refusing sex? Or is a man "with experience" not supposed to not want to have sex in certain circumstances, too?
 
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Having sex with Kanae is absolutely new to him.
Not really that novel an experience here, bud.
According to what principle?
Desensitization. This is an inherent physiological function. The fifth time you get punched in the face isn't as shocking as the first. I don't care if this is a special snowflake of a punch, entirely unlike the first four you took.
That makes even less sense.
I know it's hard for you to understand. That's why I was explaining it all.
Do husbands and wives necessarily become desensitized to having sex with each other based on the frequency of doing it?
No they become desensitized due to repetition. Which is why they eventually do something other than just sex if they have a healthy relationship.
I've seriously been trying to not be "that guy", but you don't read like you've had enough experience to know what being in a sexual encounter with someone you particularly value can be like. You think they have to act in one specific way, as if they're not an entire person with their particular baggage in that situation.
Now that we're both being "that guy", it seems like you've never touched a biology textbook in your entire life, and got all of your information off Reddit and TikTok instead.
 
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Manwhore and just out there abandoning girls after getting bored fucking them? Dang, maybe his dick driven brain gonna repent after this crazy nut.
 
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Desensitization. This is an inherent physiological function. The fifth time you get punched in the face isn't as shocking as the first.
Your body doesn't become more resilient to being punched in the face.
I seriously think you should have let me substituting "physiological" for "psychological" slide-- it makes much more sense, even if it still doesn't entirely work in your favor.

No they become desensitized due to repetition. Which is why they eventually do something other than just sex if they have a healthy relationship.
...by that logic, they wouldn't be doing anything but sex prior to this point of "desensitization".

Now that we're both being "that guy", it seems like you've never touched a biology textbook in your entire life, and got all of your information off Reddit and TikTok instead.
I'm getting my information from first- and second-hand experience on the same exact matter.

Manwhore and just out there abandoning girls after getting bored fucking them? Dang, maybe his dick driven brain gonna repent after this crazy nut.
Sucks to be this guy going up against Kanae-- she has a coral belt in BJ.

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She kills him,
whaaaaat if Hiroshi has banged and moved on from a bunch of girls for the past few years and even took his childhood friend's virginity despite knowing he didn't like her then why is he simping so much for Kanae?? have I forgotten something? his behaviour towards kanae up until this point feels like that of a sincere, virgin guy who's fallen for a girl , not like a player who has become infatuated with a bunch of girls then dumped them straight afterwards.
I guess that explaines why he doesn't care that kanae continued prostituting herself after they got together , if he's "broken" or a player too.
But if he's that jaded and has already become infatuated with and moved on from a bunch of girls then why would he end up killing Kanae? A jaded person wouldn't become filled with enough jealousy or emotion to throw their life away by stabbing their girlfriend.
and why wouldn't he try to have sex with Kanae before this point? I guess something to do with his childhood friend traumatised him and made him not want to have sex incase he falls out of love with the woman afterwards?
Anyway feels pretty weird. maybe they'll resolve it in a way that's plausible but at the moment it doesn't feel plausible.
 
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This feels like those stupid badly written Disney twist villains. A character who has been good for the majority of the movie suddenly reveals "oh by the way, i'm actually EVIL." It literally comes out of nowhere, no hints, no foreshadowing, no build up. Its just done for the sake of creating a twist but is not earned. This backstory just feels totally out of character.
 
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Your body doesn't become more resilient to being punched in the face.
I seriously think you should have let me substituting "physiological" for "psychological" slide-- it makes much more sense, even if it still doesn't entirely work in your favor.
Let me make this simple for you: Your brain's made up of tiny cells called Neurons... They connect to each other, and they fire in a certain order to do everything from make you hungry, to let you think about your fingers. This applies to your feelings too. If you make the neurons fire the same way a second time, they fire more weakly. This isn't a "Psychological phenomenon", it's a "Physiological phenomenon". You cannot experience the same emotion repeatedly with the same intensity for the same event

So If you've had sex with women before, and you've dealt with their drama, among other things, you don't suddenly freak out at the thought of sleeping with one. This is not his first rodeo, or his second, or even his third. Any backstory thye author comes up with is just an excuse for the fact that the boy's behavior is completely inconsistent with a man who has had repeated romantic, and sexual, encounters with many women under a wide variety of circumstances.
...by that logic, they wouldn't be doing anything but sex prior to this point of "desensitization".
It's not a point. Over time, the response weakens. First you do it like rabbits, then maybe a couple of times a week, maybe twice a month, and maybe all the way down to "We need to spice things up a bit, let's try..."

Or what, do people start with hardcore BDSM and scat play and then make the rational choice not to sleep with their spouses as much years into the relationship despite the total lack of desensitization?
I'm getting my information from first- and second-hand experience on the same exact matter.
I will politely suggest that your sources are inadequate.
 
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This feels like those stupid badly written Disney twist villains. A character who has been good for the majority of the movie suddenly reveals "oh by the way, i'm actually EVIL." It literally comes out of nowhere, no hints, no foreshadowing, no build up. Its just done for the sake of creating a twist but is not earned. This backstory just feels totally out of character.
Your application of morality on this narrative is excessively simplistic, if you can plainly say that Hiroshi was "good" until his history of serial monogamy was published.

You have to not pay attention to how he's been deteriorating since after the baseball game, and you have to forget the beginning of this manga, which informs us that Kanae is murdered by him and this story is an extended flashback.

Your value judgement of his serial monogamy is also strange. That's hardly "evil"-- it stems from either immaturity or a mental disorder, and it's absolutely hurtful to the women he's with, but he also made it a point to promptly break up with them instead of hurting them more by maintaining a relationship when he's lost all interest. He's even ignorant as to why it repeatedly happens. Presumably, the conclusion of this backstory is the proximate cause of why he doesn't want to have sex willy-nilly.

Let me make this simple for you: Your brain's made up of tiny cells called Neurons... They connect to each other, and they fire in a certain order to do everything from make you hungry, to let you think about your fingers. This applies to your feelings too. If you make the neurons fire the same way a second time, they fire more weakly.
That is in no way how that works. Even worse, "neurons firing" is the tip of the iceberg when one talks about neurological function.

By your logic, are "neurons firing differently" when you brute-force memorization through repetition? Are subsequent neuron firings weaker than previous ones in this process, even though more repetition creates more persistent memories?

You cannot experience the same emotion repeatedly with the same intensity for the same event
It's not the same event.

Someone can have wildly different responses to either of their parents dying because these are only "the same" in that they involve the death of a parent. But two entirely different people, with sufficiently different relationships to the child, died. They did so at different points in the child's life, in whatever contexts they did, and for whichever reasons they did-- and their deaths by themselves yield different consequences of their own, also experienced and interpreted by the child. The child observing this themselves were in different states of being in both cases.

So If you've had sex with women before, and you've dealt with their drama, among other things, you don't suddenly freak out at the thought of sleeping with one.
Firstly, see above. Not every woman (or anyone, for that matter) yields the same kind of experience, or even an identical kind. There are bound to be commonalities, but individuals-- even monozygotic twins-- are sufficiently different.

Secondly, are you aware that Kanae is a high schooler who prostitutes herself in order to find morsels of comfort because her family and school life sucks, and she herself is mentally disordered? She's presumably very much different than any woman Hiroshi has involved himself with, especially given what we see in this chapter.

Thirdly, I repeat:

The bottom line of this conflict is that he doesn't want to have sex with her at this point in time, she keeps forcing the matter, and he doesn't know how to manage the situation without hurting her in the rejection-- putting aside that she won't accept his conviction, and she won't stop despite his protests.

Does having various sexual experiences also necessarily prepare him for refusing sex? Or is a man "with experience" not supposed to not want to have sex in certain circumstances, too?
All you've been saying is "he shouldn't be freaking out like a virgin" as if the issue is strictly his familiarity about sexual matters (it isn't) and as if he actually wants to have sex with Kanae in this moment (he doesn't). The reason isn't because he's "freaking out like a virgin", because he's not. His reactions have nothing to do with his virginity or lack thereof-- they are about something else entirely.

You don't understand the neurology you've been trying to tout around. You inappropriately presume without demonstration that everyone's brains operates in a uniform way that supports your thesis. You assume that two encounters of the same type are the exact same just because they're two encounters that can be put in a common category. You preemptively and shallowly dismiss people alluding to their own personal experiences and observations that contradict your assertion. You've demonstrated that you don't even know that the psychological is necessarily biological and vice versa, and that the psyche exists in the intersection of biology, psychology, and external social factors-- even in a completely naturalistic perspective where it's solely the living brain that produces the "psyche".

Your perspective sounds like that of an extraterrestrial poorly observing humans. It's the product of poorly understood science, edgy hypernaturalism, an inappropriate fixation on sex, a lack of charity for people (and slightly more so women, who you implicitly deny are capable of each producing sufficiently different experiences) and possibly meager base social experience.
 
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By your logic, are "neurons firing differently" when you brute-force memorization through repetition? Are subsequent neuron firings weaker than previous ones in this process, even though more repetition creates more persistent memories?
Brother, I'm trying to make this easy for you. Again: Leave the Autism to me. Memory formation is a different process than stimulus response. Just because you can suffer from nose blindness doesn't mean you can't remember scents. Let's stay on track here.
It's not the same event.
It is. Or what, do you think surgeons walk around scared shitless at work their whole careers because technically they're seeing different patients with different conditions? Do pilots freak out the moment they switch from a prop plane to jet? Or maybe you suffer from a serious case of the nerves every time you drive a different model of car?

Of course not. Don't be ridiculous.

Someone can have wildly different responses to either of their parents dying because these are only "the same" in that they involve the death of a parent.
You don't get used to your parents dying because you only have two parents. If you had five to lose, I assure you, your grieving would start to look less like years of sorrow, and more like a few months of moping.

Firstly, see above. Not every woman (or anyone, for that matter) yields the same kind of experience, or even an identical kind.
Sorry, are you a woman? Because it's the same experience: Naked lady>Neuron Activation>pp hard. It's not that complicated. It's probably different for you; but not for us men. This isn't a different experience.
She's presumably very much different than any woman Hiroshi has involved himself with, especially given what we see in this chapter.
Not really. She's got boobs just like the rest, and she's trying to sleep with him just like the rest. Also this is still sex. She's not exactly proposing to him here.

All you've been saying is "he shouldn't be freaking out like a virgin" as if the issue is strictly his familiarity about sexual matters (it isn't) and as if he actually wants to have sex with Kanae in this moment (he doesn't).
When the guy you're talking to tells you you've misunderstood him, it's poor form to double and triple down.
You inappropriately presume without demonstration that everyone's brains operates in a uniform way that supports your thesis.
Human brains function substantially similarly across the different species. If you think this is up for debate, then maybe it was a bit soon for me to talk to you about how the brain works.

Also:
hypernaturalism
I don't know what you mean by that, but it almost sounds like you think there's more at play than the Natural. I know you're not actually saying something dumb like that, but it still gave me a chuckle.
 
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Memory formation is a different process
All of it is neuron firing. There's no such thing as weaker neuron firing.

Just because you can suffer from nose blindness
Do you have any idea just how many causes for smell blindness there are?

Even in the most simple case of scent acclimation, that's not a product of "weak neuron firing"-- that's your temporal lobe filtering out redundant information.

Or what, do you think surgeons walk around scared shitless at work their whole careers because technically they're seeing different patients with different conditions? Do pilots freak out the moment they switch from a prop plane to jet? Or maybe you suffer from a serious case of the nerves every time you drive a different model of car?
How is this different from me saying:

There are bound to be commonalities

Circumstances won't allow a surgeon to treat every patient the same way precisely because different patients have different conditions. Pilots have to learn the particularities of a plane they haven't flown before. And, at minimum, I have to get used to a new car's dimensions and functions.

There's some transferable knowledge, but they're still sufficiently different experiences. Especially for surgeons, who specialize in different fields.

You don't get used to your parents dying because you only have two parents. If you had five to lose, I assure you, your grieving
You're assuming that someone necessarily grieves a dead parent, and you do so absent any context-- which has been your issue all along.

Sorry, are you a woman? Because it's the same experience: Naked lady>Neuron Activation>pp hard. It's not that complicated. It's probably different for you; but not for us men.
I'm a guy.

You also have an extremely low view of male sexuality, for someone who wants to talk down to another guy about it. A naked woman isn't arousing, depending on the context-- unconscious nude women and female cadavers aren't arousing. Neither are naked relatives, nude women in medical dictionaries and journals, nudist activists, or any other woman I just don't find attractive to begin with.

And if I'm too stressed or otherwise focused on something else to take in the sight of a nude woman, I'm not going to be aroused anyhow.

Then there's matters like trauma (sexual or otherwise), erectile dysfunction, homosexuality, or just age.

Not really. She's got boobs just like the rest, and she's trying to sleep with him just like the rest.
This is a really lame joke.

Human brains function substantially similarly across the different species.
And yet individuals are easily drastically different due to their various internal and external contexts.

If you think this is up for debate, then maybe it was a bit soon for me to talk to you about how the brain works.
It's too soon for you to tell anyone how the brain works because you didn't even know about the all-or-nothing law.
 
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He's going to destroy this girl isn't he? And then it'll turn him into the awkward guy he became
 
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All of it is neuron firing. There's no such thing as weaker neuron firing.
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Do you have any idea just how many causes for smell blindness there are?
The most common one is desensitization.
There's some transferable knowledge, but they're still sufficiently different experiences. Especially for surgeons, who specialize in different fields.
You'll notice that they're not acting like newbies fresh out of medical school after a couple of surgeries.
You're assuming that someone necessarily grieves a dead parent
That's the assumption we both need to work with if you're going to bring up dead parents and grief. If you don't want me to make it, don't bring up grieving dead parents.
You also have an extremely low view of male sexuality, for someone who wants to talk down to another guy about it. A naked woman isn't arousing, depending on the context-- unconscious nude women and female cadavers aren't arousing.
Yeah, you've been desensitized. Back in the day, bikinis were lewd and arousing: Something you'd be embarrassed to wear in public. There was a whole song about it. Nowadays, it's barely chub-inducing for anyone over 13.
This is a really lame joke.
That's obviously not a joke, and I'm not sure why you spent time writing this.
And yet individuals are easily drastically different due to their various internal and external contexts.
No they're not. Especially not with something as basic as desensitization. Don't confuse personality for neurobiology.
It's too soon for you to tell anyone how the brain works because you didn't even know about the all-or-nothing law.
Me: Speaks simply about a topic
You: Autism ensues
 
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The most common one is desensitization.
You want to continue to believe that neurons can "fire weakly" because your entire spiel hinges on it. It's why you never acknowledged my link explaining the all-or-nothing law, it's why you don't acknowledge the various causes of "desensitization" (which have nothing to do with "neurons firing weakly", because that's now how neurons work) it's why you pithily acknowledged me pointing out that neurons are firing regardless of what part of the brain you're talking about, and it's why you call me autistic for pointing out that you wouldn't know a single thing about neurology because you don't even know the basics of it.


That's the assumption we both need to work with if you're going to bring up dead parents and grief.
Search this whole page, and you'll find I never even said the words "grief", "grieve", "grieving", or "grieved" until you brought it up because you assumed I said it.

I mentioned "response", which can include "grief", and I mentioned some of the factors that go into a "response".

The entire thrust of that point was that one could grieve one parent and applaud the death of the other, because "losing a parent" isn't merely "losing a parent". It doesn't even matter what relation I used-- everything I said would apply.

You'll notice that they're not acting like newbies fresh out of medical school after a couple of surgeries.
There's some transferable knowledge....

Yeah, you've been desensitized. [...] Nowadays, it's barely chub-inducing for anyone over 13.
You sidestepped my point and every example I gave in order to give this banal non-response.

That's obviously not a joke, and I'm not sure why you spent time writing this.
Because you reduced the protagonist of this narrative to breasts and a desire for sex.

Me: Speaks simply about a topic
You're speaking simply about neurology, all right.
 

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