Kimi wa Yotsuba no Clover - Vol. 11 Ch. 92

[DMan_chine]

This manga has been so good. But this chapter felt a bit a off. I think this chapter had one specific issue with how Futaba is acting. Honestly, I would have LOVED to see her say "I hate you" instead of most of the other things.

"Yotsuha... you! You did this! It was because of you that my father died! I hate you! I HATE YOU! Why do you have to live and live happily when my dad is dead. You and your family. Your mother. Everyone. But you! You! I hate you!"

I think this would have sold me soooooooooooo much on her. But I think the reason why the author didn't want to do this is to make her less guilty. She isn't doing this out of hate but out of love. I have a big issue, because all her attitude is entirely hateful, and I would have loved to see her poor all that out. Hate, hate, hate. Imagine hating someone so badly you want them to suffer this much. It would have made have goosebumps to see her express all that hate.

Edit: Heck, it would have made her feel so much more pitiful that all of this is happening to a kid and a kid that basically got screwed up by the previous generation. Kazuha and the Father pretty much doing and saying all the worst things leading her to this. She IS a victim of her circumstances, and the hate and revenge is bad and awful. But I would have felt WAAAAY worse to see her so hateful than to see her act like she's crazy, because crazy and rational are dissonant here. But emotional and rational are not. You can be filled with hate and be very rational about how you feel and want to do... but being crazy doesn't fit.

 

[Attqqqq]

C..can’t we just hug it out, guys.. pls…

 

[Darroth]

Pg. 1 should have "everything was going well" not "everything was going"

 

[Hahahacker]

Hey big bro

Stab this crazy bitch too please and thank you

Completely unsympathetic piece of trash “my dad was an ass hole so I wanna torment you by killing someome else, sure you’ve been nothing but nice to me but you don’t know the real me so who cares” says the person who never considered revealing her true self for a moment.

 

[rudezki]

I mean someone who's doing this can't be all there you know..

 

[arimareiji]

Possibly worth repeating from last chapter's comments:

Even with no sex involved, mentally reframing a little child as first being your desired lover's child and then as your desired lover is seriously farked up. It's unavoidably going to leak out in your demeanor, and that's going to play merry havoc with how the child bonds and perceives relationships.

Image of him cuddling Futaba on the right, transitions to image of him cuddling psycho on the left:
"Loving Futaba, and being loved back, it felt as if I could feel that person's love"

YMMV on how much that factors into her accepting the notion of "Dad is going to be my one and only", and rejecting genuine bonds with anyone else.

~~~

Going back in time to prevent his birth, don't give her ideas that it's possible...

Yup. 'Been saying for a long time that the author was at least inspired by this movie.

 

[ZoronCraft]

This is the reason I hate Japanese stories. We had a pretty good story so far; there were some missteps, but they were minor. And then here come the last 4–5 chapters... What the fuck is this mental retardation? This so-called super-genius manipulator is publicly crying and seething in front of an audience that should be scared of her. And I’m certain they’ll still be her lapdogs because the author has no fucking idea how manipulation works.

 

[DarkHel_Prime]

And it started off so well... Why, author, why...

 

[SadMookz]

Nah, I feel lied to by the author.
That Futaba was the mastermind had been apparent for quite some time. Far too many clues and foreshadowing for it NOT to be her. The only thing that ever made me doubt it, that maybe it was someone else after all and every clue was just a red herring, was the last page of Chapter 72, where the mastermind, or someone controlled by him, LEANED DOWN, making the figure seem like an adult. Yet, as the flashback now shows, they were both kids and almost the same height.

This misrepresentation of a character's physical traits is unfair misdirection, feeding the audience inaccurate evidence to force the wrong conclusion. If that scene absolutely had to be shown, one could've done it from Futaba's first-person perspective as she interacted with Rei, without ever needing to show a shadow silhouette.
And it's doubly ridiculous, because the chapter showed the same person both unobscured AND obscured, making the mismatch even more apparent.

What kind of mystery is this? Might as well go full unreliable narrator and make shit up.


Otherwise, yeah, the mastermind's motivation was complete and utter nonsense.
The ending must have been planned before serialization even began, and THIS is what we ended up with?
Nuh uh. The author really dropped the ball here.
Bummer.

 

[Septazia]

This is the reason I hate Japanese stories. We had a pretty good story so far; there were some missteps, but they were minor. And then here come the last 4–5 chapters... What the fuck is this mental retardation? This so-called super-genius manipulator is publicly crying and seething in front of an audience that should be scared of her. And I’m certain they’ll still be her lapdogs because the author has no fucking idea how manipulation works.

The problem is when a Manga is inching on twists and or a big mistery there will be times where the whole story has the author living in costant fear of giving it away and thus will act inconsistently, is like "Heavy Rain", is how I predict "tune in to the midnight heart" is going to end. Stories that conceal so much afraid of committing and then once the mistery is unraveled, you look back and start to see the inconsistencies, because then the author consciously or even unconsciously lied, created something that does not add up and because they put so much faith into a specific twist, it just creates a bigger burden.

Honestly we just needed the time travel and Uichi's bullying and then have a story that lives off the consequences of that, this whole back and forth of the constant escalating drama, the new bullies, the psycho girl (then girls) were un-necessary.

 

[SaveFrog]

Nah, I feel lied to by the author.
That Futaba was the mastermind had been apparent for quite some time. Far too many clues and foreshadowing for it NOT to be her. The only thing that ever made me doubt it, that maybe it was someone else after all and every clue was just a red herring, was the last page of Chapter 72, where the mastermind, or someone controlled by him, LEANED DOWN, making the figure seem like an adult. Yet, as the flashback now shows, they were both kids and almost the same height.

This misrepresentation of a character's physical traits is unfair misdirection, feeding the audience inaccurate evidence to force the wrong conclusion. If that scene absolutely had to be shown, one could've done it from Futaba's first-person perspective as she interacted with Rei, without ever needing to show a shadow silhouette.
And it's doubly ridiculous, because the chapter showed the same person both unobscured AND obscured, making the mismatch even more apparent.

What kind of mystery is this? Might as well go full unreliable narrator and make shit up.


Otherwise, yeah, the mastermind's motivation was complete and utter nonsense.
The ending must have been planned before serialization even began, and THIS is what we ended up with?
Nuh uh. The author really dropped the ball here.
Bummer.

I was going to save this commentary for the end of the series, but I really think a better solution to the mystery would have been a Futaba that came back in time (so an adult one as well as the current one). She could have found out about the family stuff in the future and worked on time travel, after receiving the watch in the alternate future, to punish Yotsuha. Since we know time travel is "attached" to an object and makes it keep its age in this series, it could have been attached to her, making her older and making the looping impossible for her.

I thought there were a lot of signs pointing to this too. Yotsuha implies the reason Clover hides their existence is to "wait out" Yotsuha's time travel wearing down. But Futaba clearly doesn't know about it until Yotsuha reappears. And I think it would better explain how she knows exactly who and how to target to ruin Uichi's life. As well as explaining how she knows Yotsuha can time travel. With the taller shadow and making for a better twist that still fits in with the foreshadowing, I really thought that's what the series was going for.

 

[ZayaTealZend]

JP Authors try to end a manga with a satisfying ending challenge (impossible) (gone wrong) (gone sexual)

 

[Weebmaster41]

Need Yostuba to go back in time and push her down a flight of stairs

 

[Glockman]

being aware of the reality would reveal to Futaba that her father is a shit person. Moving along with the madness seems to be a coping mechanism.

 

[velocite]

I didnt understand these past chapters, I don’t understand what makes the father want to kill himsel why does the girl want to take revenge on yotsuha and why she needs to do it by driving her boyfriend to suicide. i feel like the story would have made more sense with leaving it at the father being genuinely a good person that was blackmailed and drove to suicide by mitsuha through yotsuha as it seemed to be originally the plan. It feels a bit as if that last twist is unnecessary and complicates things too much, maybe in an attempt to remove anh sympathy we readers might have for the father.

 

[Oobaka-san]

Now that the translation has reached this point I can say that Futaba really is an idiot and scum, completely punishing the wrong people for what they had no control over when they really wanted to be friends with her.

Spoiler: Raw spoilers absolutely do NOT open if you don't want spoilers

It's beyond frustrating after all this crap she gets forgiven in the end and because a new loop happens her "present" self doesn't have to live with the shit she did.

Spoiler

Forgiven might not be the best definition here. Her actions are literally undone. Think of it in a different direction. You have the power to see the future in vivid detail, even various potential futures. You find out that in one future a child will be traumatized to such a point that they feel they need to commit various atrocities. If you act now, however, she may never do any such things at all and live and love and seek to help others rather than hurt them. Should you punish the child for something she hasn't yet done? Or should you try to help her escape the pain that would lead her down this path, and then treat her like what she is: a person who has never done anything of the sort?

Even in a story like Redo of Healer, the guy makes a point of not doing anything unless a person he knows will do something actually does it. Until they take that action, they have no guilt to warrant punishment. Same thing here, only the individual in question isn't a sadistic maniac who acts this way for the fun of it, it's a person who acted out of despair from a tragedy that everyone wishes to avert and who even acknowledges that, prior to the tragedy, she had indeed cared about her "friends" and wished they could bond for real rather than only having fun when she wore her mask. The very act of telling her that they wanted to be friends with the real her essentially killed the friendless, hopeless Fuu-chan we see here.

Anyway, with this content I think it should make a lot more sense why she specifically targeted Yotsuha. Kazuha, to her, was the person she was supposed to represent or stand in for, the person her father truly loved. In order to love him and fulfill her role, she couldn't hate or go after her. On the other hand, she clearly remembers her father breaking down wishing that Yotsuha hadn't been born, so it makes sense on an emotional level that she would fixate on her as the cause of everything. It still shows how far the events broke her that she didn't think to hunt her down and kill her, but rather to make her experience the same hell. But I can at least understand her targeting her the way she did.

 

[BillGD]

"futaba, please love the REAL me pleaseeee. oh and i never love the real you, at all. i saw you as a substitute for another. k, bye"
"yes dad"

for someone so desparate for her real self to be loved, she still gonna care about a father that didnt and lied straight to her face for years

 

[Oobaka-san]

I didnt understand these past chapters, I don’t understand what makes the father want to kill himsel why does the girl want to take revenge on yotsuha and why she needs to do it by driving her boyfriend to suicide. i feel like the story would have made more sense with leaving it at the father being genuinely a good person that was blackmailed and drove to suicide by mitsuha through yotsuha as it seemed to be originally the plan. It feels a bit as if that last twist is unnecessary and complicates things too much, maybe in an attempt to remove anh sympathy we readers might have for the father.

He killed himself because he realized that Kazuha was going to destroy everything. His standing, his fame, his simple ability to do his research (since he depends on funding and support from his father-in-law), all could come crashing down when his infidelity is revealed. His life is built on his work and all of his "bonds" are built on the image he'd maintained, so losing that would mean losing everything. Chances are he'd even lose Futaba since if there was a divorce his wife would likely get custody.

Futaba wants revenge on Yotsuha because of what she read and what she heard her father say. Her father "loved" Kazuha and saw Futaba as a replacement, so it's probably a little difficult to hate her. On the other hand the last thing she heard her father say was "if only she hadn't been born", thoroughly cementing Yotsuha as the cause. And she wants to drive Uichi to suicide because her rage is just that deep: killing Yotsuha would just eliminate her, but wouldn't bring their father back. Nothing will fill the void in her heart, so rather than just erase her, she wants to drag her into the same hell. Misery loves company, and who better to share her misery with than the one she feels caused it.

 

[Knighto]

I was going to save this commentary for the end of the series, but I really think a better solution to the mystery would have been a Futaba that came back in time (so an adult one as well as the current one). She could have found out about the family stuff in the future and worked on time travel, after receiving the watch in the alternate future, to punish Yotsuha. Since we know time travel is "attached" to an object and makes it keep its age in this series, it could have been attached to her, making her older and making the looping impossible for her.

I thought there were a lot of signs pointing to this too. Yotsuha implies the reason Clover hides their existence is to "wait out" Yotsuha's time travel wearing down. But Futaba clearly doesn't know about it until Yotsuha reappears. And I think it would better explain how she knows exactly who and how to target to ruin Uichi's life. As well as explaining how she knows Yotsuha can time travel. With the taller shadow and making for a better twist that still fits in with the foreshadowing, I really thought that's what the series was going for.

that would make way too much sense to work hahaha, specially if we could get Futaba from the present as an ally, like the what if line where she actually appreciated being friends with Yotsuha and Uchii, so she has space for redemption too.

also her flashback with nobody loves me for who I am.... didn't Yotsuha pretty much presented Futaba as a super genius, like it kinda lessens a bit or well, it can still be explained that it's more how she saw the world as a kid when all the other people she looked like they were stupid, but it still contradicts the you didn't see my original self, FFS genius you never show it to her.

Nah, I feel lied to by the author.
That Futaba was the mastermind had been apparent for quite some time. Far too many clues and foreshadowing for it NOT to be her. The only thing that ever made me doubt it, that maybe it was someone else after all and every clue was just a red herring, was the last page of Chapter 72, where the mastermind, or someone controlled by him, LEANED DOWN, making the figure seem like an adult. Yet, as the flashback now shows, they were both kids and almost the same height.

This misrepresentation of a character's physical traits is unfair misdirection, feeding the audience inaccurate evidence to force the wrong conclusion. If that scene absolutely had to be shown, one could've done it from Futaba's first-person perspective as she interacted with Rei, without ever needing to show a shadow silhouette.
And it's doubly ridiculous, because the chapter showed the same person both unobscured AND obscured, making the mismatch even more apparent.

What kind of mystery is this? Might as well go full unreliable narrator and make shit up.


Otherwise, yeah, the mastermind's motivation was complete and utter nonsense.
The ending must have been planned before serialization even began, and THIS is what we ended up with?
Nuh uh. The author really dropped the ball here.
Bummer.

shieeet maybe the author adds some BS explanation next chapter, although that's doubtful.
thanks for sharing the chapter, author really failed with being fair presenting the mystery, specially since she was less than 10 years old when she went psycho on her friend and started to f*ck with people and families.

 

[browbm02]

A firm reminder that you can’t write super-intelligent characters if you’re of average intelligence. Lmao