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So general attacks are okay tho then apparently? Cool.@Narehate @smolbaka @Trevoga @MakoMachine @Swards
Please stop shitting up the thread with personal attacks.
So general attacks are okay tho then apparently? Cool.@Narehate @smolbaka @Trevoga @MakoMachine @Swards
Please stop shitting up the thread with personal attacks.
So general attacks are okay tho then apparently? Cool.
These are like, literally Nazi arguments here.
Is he? I'm not seeing it at all. Completely agree with the rest of your post (trimmed for readability), but I don't agree at all on this part, he seems to be explicitly not trans.Hiura might be intended to be a crossdresser, but he sure is written like a trans girl. 99% Chance the author has never heard of trans people (no such thing as LGBT education in Japan), wouldn't be the first time a Japanese author writes good trans rep without being aware of trans people as a concept.
That's a pretty big stretch. There was a recent LGBT rights bill that got roasted from both the left and right, but it made trans rights really center stage for a minute around the G7 conference. Banjo may not personally know any trans folk, but the idea that they arent aware of the concept is far fetched in the modern eraTrap is a slur. Even if you use it to refer to crossdressers, since it implies they're doing it maliciously to trick people.
(Femboy is fine, people who call it a slur usually happens because most people who use the term in weaboo territories are transphobes)
Weaboos also love to pretend like an explicitly trans character isn't trans. (See: Lily Hoshikawa from Zombieland Saga)
Hiura might be intended to be a crossdresser, but he sure is written like a trans girl. 99% Chance the author has never heard of trans people (no such thing as LGBT education in Japan), wouldn't be the first time a Japanese author writes good trans rep without being aware of trans people as a concept.
You have liked comments on this thread supporting transphobic rhetoric and shown disdain for people trying to call out basic slurs against trans people. I feel like it can't be any more clear than that what is going on here.
Yamato from One Piece is a another big example. The amount of misgendering is pretty major for a character that outright states they see themselves as a manTrap is a slur. Even if you use it to refer to crossdressers, since it implies they're doing it maliciously to trick people.
(Femboy is fine, people who call it a slur usually happens because most people who use the term in weaboo territories are transphobes)
Weaboos also love to pretend like an explicitly trans character isn't trans. (See: Lily Hoshikawa from Zombieland Saga)
Hiura might be intended to be a crossdresser, but he sure is written like a trans girl. 99% Chance the author has never heard of trans people (no such thing as LGBT education in Japan), wouldn't be the first time a Japanese author writes good trans rep without being aware of trans people as a concept.
he isnt trans (though based on this chapter, he doesnt seem himself as entirely male either, so who knows where the coin will land. Maybe in gender neutral land?) but a lot of his arc has basically been the ideal fantasy version of a trans coming out. You more or less pass, people are accepting and even encouraging about it, and there arent major issues with school, work, or family.Is he? I'm not seeing it at all. Completely agree with the rest of your post (trimmed for readability), but I don't agree at all on this part, he seems to be explicitly not trans.
No, I'm saying that calling people Nazis is a personal attack, because Nazis are bad.@BraveDude8
Ah, okay so the one group who can't be generally insulted is nazis then? When I said "literally" I meant literally rhetoric to shut up endangered minorities.
You have liked comments on this thread supporting transphobic rhetoric and shown disdain for people trying to call out basic slurs against trans people. I feel like it can't be any more clear than that what is going on here.
That's an ideal fantasy version of any kind of coming out. Except for the inherent part about passing, but that's something one includes if one views the coming out as that of a trans person.he isnt trans (though based on this chapter, he doesnt seem himself as entirely male either, so who knows where the coin will land. Maybe in gender neutral land?) but a lot of his arc has basically been the ideal fantasy version of a trans coming out. You more or less pass, people are accepting and even encouraging about it, and there arent major issues with school, work, or family.
So, just to make sure you know, transve- is an outdated term and is entirely a slur. Not judging, just informing you and others here.
These are like, literally Nazi arguments here. It basically amounts to "Stay as quiet and out of sight as you can so that we can continue to live like you don't exist or matter." It's not that you respect a quiet trans person. If we can't have a voice in a manga about a young person questioning their preferences like this, you really just don't have us having any rights or voice and wish we would just stop existing at all. So yes, best time to delete this was right after you sent it. Second best is now.
So rule one of being an inclusive ally or at least not an enemy: Don't speak for said minority like you are them. We generally would be absolutely would be fine if Hiura was a crossdresser. Totally okay with that. But that's not what is in front of us, is it? Hiura, so far, is unsure of who they are. Even still, a trans girl getting attached to the character and having some hope that they turn out even more relatable to them is fine, isn't hurting you at all, and they do not deserve to be called a groomer and disgusting for it.
Mods, PLEASE. We need help in this thread. This thread is taking a beautiful, funny story of self discovery and turning it into an artillery shell against trans people.
No, I'm saying that calling people Nazis is a personal attack, because Nazis are bad.
There is no "transphobic rhetoric" in this thread - people stating that a character who says "that doesn't actually make me a girl" and "even though I am a boy" probably isn't transgender isn't transphobia, it's an observation, and one that you're all free to discuss without attacking eachother over differing interpretations.
To be honest, no one's really sure what happened beyond an overzealous translator on the publisher side. Read into the story as you like with the raws, though.Wait so was the official localization changed to make him trans?
So you're just gonna ignore the slurs?No, I'm saying that calling people Nazis is a personal attack, because Nazis are bad.
There is no "transphobic rhetoric" in this thread - people stating that a character who says "that doesn't actually make me a girl" and "even though I am a boy" probably isn't transgender isn't transphobia, it's an observation, and one that you're all free to discuss without attacking eachother over differing interpretations.
You're quotes are so cut-off it's like the Bridget thing all over again.No, I'm saying that calling people Nazis is a personal attack, because Nazis are bad.
There is no "transphobic rhetoric" in this thread - people stating that a character who says "that doesn't actually make me a girl" and "even though I am a boy" probably isn't transgender isn't transphobia, it's an observation, and one that you're all free to discuss without attacking eachother over differing interpretations.
There is no "transphobic rhetoric" in this thread -
I would agree but that would be assuming the artist knows anything about GLBT, sex role "non-conformity" (a phenomenon second only to calling women a "minority"), or the massive disinformation polluting the internet from mostly non-trans "trans activists." I've been disappointed by authors pulling irrational rabbits out of their hats in the last third too often.It can't be more clear from this chapter that this isn't a trans issue, I have no idea how the localizer managed to claim that they've read ahead and was sure Hiura's a trans girl. This basically blew that possibility out the window.