Kono Koi wo Hoshi ni wa Negawanai - Vol. 5 Ch. 23

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It doesn't have to last forever. It just has to last 50-60 years. :p

More seriously... look, the two of them are already practically soulbonded in every way except sex. Eri has always put Fuyuki above her actual boyfriends. Getting laid with senpai did not divert Fuyuki's feelings at all. They can barely stand to be apart.

The only doubt is whether Fuyuki will get a satisfying sex life. And it's a big doubt. But we don't know. As I said, I haven't re-read the earlier chapters much, but my impression is that Eri kept breaking up because of her prioritizing Fuyuki, not because her boys thought she was a cold fish. Granted, maybe boys had low standards. OTOH, maybe Fuyuki would be happy with a grope-and-grind girlfriend. Or maybe Eri blossoms in bed. Or maybe Fuyuki-chan will be interested in lesbian brothels, with permission. There are a lot of ways the relationship could realistically succeed.
Eri also says this chapter that she doesn't think about kissing Fuyuki, because she never thinks about that with anyone on her own.
She doesn't say she doesn't like the intimacy, though - and she doesn't even say that she doesn't ever initiate those parts once in a relationship, now that I reread it again.

The only relationship we really see of Eri's is Kyou, and I maintain that was a special case because she never had those feelings for him, and dated him because he declared he'd never get upset if she prioritized Fuyuki over him - something that had lead to multiple breakups in the past for Eri. So she went along with him, until he revealed he couldn't keep that promise.
So taking that relationship as a barometer for how it's always been for Eri, feels like a skewed singular sample.

There's no indication that Eri wouldn't want intimacy with Fuyuki. and Fuyuki is important enough to Eri that I have to imagine she'll change for her to make sure she stays Fuyuki's #1, and it wouldn't be done out of resignation.

Like you said - it might be unconventional, but they're starting this with honesty and communication, and those two things are like IRL plot armor when it comes to protecting and nurturing a relationship.
 
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Eri is gonna bang Fuyuki constantly trust 🤞 Fuyuki deserves it for having the most insane self control when Senpai literally offered herself to her some chapters back.

Anyway, I just want to express my gratitude to you guys for picking up and translating this beautiful manga! As for this development, I can’t applaud Shinoa enough. She’s crafted a gorgeous story. And I really do believe it’s gonna work out between Fuyuki and Eri.
 
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I've been thinking this for a while, but with this chapter (which I loved) I feel it much more strongly: the story this reminds me of the most os Shuninta Amano's The Feelings We All Must Endure. This chapter in particular feels like the penultimate chapter of that work, and the feelings it evokes in me are very similar: empathy, warmth, frustration, and lowkey devastation and a little despair. Fuyuki is the only gold-star lesbian in this story and she is gay gay for Eri, and she has left herself utterly exposed and vulnerable. I have been in a place similar to her (and the protagonist of Feelings), and it is a horrible place to be.

I think @UdenEmpati has made most of the points that I would want to make about this, but one thing I want to emphasize is that Fuyuki's conviction that it could never work out led to her determinedly hiding a huge part of herself from Eri (and pretty much only Eri, as shown in the first chapter when her classmate says, "oh you know, it's the usual thing" when Fuyuki dashes off to help Eri with her printer troubles). The most encouraging thing that Eri says in their conversation is that they need to actually talk to each other about their feelings. Even with this iron wall between the two of them (maintained by Fuyuki), Eri and Fuyuki have remained the most important people in each others' lives this whole time; I feel like removing that barrier and actually giving Eri a chance to know all of Fuyuki, instead of the façade that Fuyuki has been projecting to her this whole time, is the most likely path to them having a successful, healthy relationship (be that romantic or otherwise).

I'm making some assumptions about the shape of this story based on Shinoa's other work and based on the place she chose to start its telling, but I'm pretty confident that I'll be satisfied with however this eventually resolves. The Feelings We All Must Endure is undercut a little by its conceit (of personifying the seven deadly sins as a set of Japanese college students), but it has a similar level of emotional verisimilitude, which is why it remains one of my favorites despite it being such a painful read. This work doesn't have that constraint, but does have similar sensitivity and depth to the way it observes character, and I'm not expecting it to have a resolution that neatly ties everything in a bow. What I do expect is that these characters will continue to be themselves and to continue to do things that feel sensitively observed and messy in a grounded way. Every so often I see people calling this "toxic yuri", and while it is a story about very messy feelings, it doesn't feel like melodrama to me. In some ways it kind of reminds me of Sally Rooney (I should say here: I really like Sally Rooney! Even though sometimes I feel like I shouldn't).

…maybe the wedding at the beginning is senpai getting married to her stepfather. Just a thought!
 
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Also, a semi-unrelated thought: I think a decent gauge for how you feel about where this story is going is how you feel about Yukiko's Room for Two / Futaribeya. While this story is about dealing with feelings too big to manage for too long a time, that is a much lower-stakes story about people who are simply trying to get their needs met, and I consistently see people who want it to move like a typical romcom / romance story being disappointed with the fact that the story ends much how it started, with Sakurako and Kasumi being BFFs and content with whatever the hell their situationship is, living with the assumption that they're basically going to remain joined at the hip for life. I trust Yukiko to be honestly representing the feelings of the two of them, and one of the things I find most resonant and touching about that story is that the two of them refuse to put a name on their relationship and that both are happy with the way they feel about each other. That really is how it is sometimes, especially for people who have wandered off the path of cisheteronormative expectations.
 
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I've been thinking this for a while, but with this chapter (which I loved) I feel it much more strongly: the story this reminds me of the most os Shuninta Amano's The Feelings We All Must Endure. This chapter in particular feels like the penultimate chapter of that work, and the feelings it evokes in me are very similar: empathy, warmth, frustration, and lowkey devastation and a little despair. Fuyuki is the only gold-star lesbian in this story and she is gay gay for Eri, and she has left herself utterly exposed and vulnerable. I have been in a place similar to her (and the protagonist of Feelings), and it is a horrible place to be.

I think @UdenEmpati has made most of the points that I would want to make about this, but one thing I want to emphasize is that Fuyuki's conviction that it could never work out with Eri has led resulted in her having an iron will to hide a huge part of herself from Eri (and pretty much only Eri, as shown in the first chapter when her classmate says, "oh you know, it's the usual thing" when Fuyuki dashes off to help Eri with her printer troubles). The most encouraging thing that Eri says in their conversation is that they need to actually talk to each other about their feelings. Even with this iron wall between the two of them (maintained by Fuyuki), Eri and Fuyuki have remained the most important people in each others' lives this whole time; I feel like removing that barrier and actually giving Eri a chance to know all of Fuyuki, instead of the façade that Fuyuki has been projecting this whole time, is the most likely path to them having a successful, healthy relationship (be that romantic or otherwise).

I'm making some assumptions about the shape of this story based on Shinoa's other work and based on the place she chose to start its telling, but I'm pretty confident that I'll be satisfied with however this eventually resolves. The Feelings We All Must Endure is undercut a little by its conceit (of personifying the seven deadly sins as a set of Japanese college students), but it has a similar level of emotional verisimilitude, which is why it remains one of my favorites despite it being such a painful read. This work doesn't have that constraint, but does have similar sensitivity and depth to the way it observes character, and I'm not expecting it to have a resolution that neatly ties everything in a bow. What I do expect is that these characters will continue to be themselves and to continue to do things that feel sensitively observed and messy in a grounded way. Every so often I see people calling this "toxic yuri", and while it is a story about very messy feelings, it doesn't feel like melodrama to me. In some ways it kind of reminds me of Sally Rooney (I should say here: I really like Sally Rooney! Even though sometimes I feel like I shouldn't).

…maybe the wedding at the beginning is senpai getting married to her stepfather. Just a thought!

I think the key point in this chapter is that Eri is finally on the same page as Fuyuki, and the through-line with the entire story up to this point, is that she never once was, because Fuyuki was terrified of the prospect of losing Eri completely if Eri ever found out Fuyuki was romantically in love with her.

And so Fuyuki put on a mask, and put up walls, and resolved to simply endure the pain of only being best friends with Eri, because that pain was better than losing the love of her life entirely should Fuyuki confess and be rejected. It was a sound idea in theory, from her perspective; just one that was sadly destined for failure.
Eri cannot know what she does not know. Fuyuki hid the most important part of herself from the closest person to her out of understandable terror, but in a way, her reticence is what would have actually brought about the doom she expresses fear over, in this very chapter.

And Eri cuts right through that, saying that they can't walk back what was said or what was done, but they can move forward with honesty and with communication between them. Eri is now seeing Fuyuki in her fullness, and she begs Fuyuki to love her the way she always has, so that Eri can see it, really see it and know it, and in doing so, can respond and reciprocate and grow into Fuyuki's life more and more.

Eri has never once said she doesn't want to love Fuyuki. She loves Fuyuki, and wants to love her in ways that I can honestly say make my chest hurt, out of jealousy for the immensity of those feelings she has. She knows it won't be simple, that there's every chance this could end badly for them, but she's a selfish person and wants all of that which she desires.
And she desires to have Fuyuki in every capacity that she can, and more - and she wants Fuyuki to be selfish and cruel in her own reciprocation, to demand more of Eri and tell her what she wants, when she wants it, and to push that honesty in its fullness so that Eri fully understands her in those moments.

That to me, is Eri taking accountability for her own shortcomings in the realm of emotional awareness, and I think that's huge of her.

I used to think Eri was "the villain" of this story, because I was solely focused on Fuyuki's perspective of the narrative. But I couldn't have been more wrong, and not just because this is a story without heroes or bad guys - but because she wasn't even the bad guy to Fuyuki.
For all the pain Fuyuki felt, it was the result of her fear of an unknown, and Eri is making it clear in no uncertain terms here and now, that Fuyuki tell her when she's worried, what she wants, when she's happy, what she hates, and all the other little facets that make up Fuyuki as a complete person.

Eri is selfish and wants it all, because that's how they make this work - by giving their all to each other and hiding nothing. Eri can't develop this on her own, and she needs Fuyuki to help her, by telling her and not running away out of vague fears of failure.
Yes, this might not work out between them, but that sort of "maybe" isn't good enough, and Eri's not going to let Fuyuki go over a "what if", when they have the capacity for honesty and openness, and the sheer amount of feeling for the other. It would take work to make this succeed for them, and Eri's saying that Fuyuki is worth that work, and that potential pain. And if they do succeed?

Well.

They're finally both facing one another, for the first time, and know what is in the other's heart. The next part will be hard, but the way through is honestly quite simple:

"Keep telling me you love me, again and again" - because that way, Eri looks at Fuyuki more and more, and sees more and more, and learns more and more, and loves more and more.
 
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Huh, no idea where things will go from here. Glad those crazy kids worked something out though!

Up until now I didn't really take Eri's "I always fall in love with someone if they're in love with me, trust" thing at face value, and figured she was just ace. It felt like she was still carrying around the trauma of that one girl blowing up her life for rejecting her, and it ended up feeling like she had to reciprocate those feelings whenever they were offered. I'm not sure she's ever really loved her exes back despite what she tells herself. Maybe that'll get further deconstructed as she tries out this relationship with Fuyuki, maybe she really does have this extremely specific orientation.

I mean, someone's getting married in chapter 1, and it's not Kyou...
Kisaki and the girl Eri rejected in middle school, trust.
 
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Yes true, and also because I've been reading this manga for three years and I just want happiness for Fuyuki at this point.
Don't save her, she's exactly where she wants right now lol, if she gets hurt in end, that's the consequence of her own choice, this is the step where you accept your daughter of 3 years has grown and let her be

And tbh, Fuyuki looks fragile most of the time, but no matter how soft she treats others, she also always has a dense and cold fog around her. This is probably the first time in a while Fuyuki looks this out, this vulnerable, and needy, and i think she looks extra happy too, as if she's back to her younger self

I was so against Fuyuki x Eri just 2 chapters ago, now I realize there's no use in against, and can say all this partly because Fuyuki said it all out for me, that none of this was Eri fault, and she's right, most of the drama happened aint Eri fault, that Fuyuki is kinda pathetic like Kyou and other one-sided love people too, that Fuyuki is just so deeply in love with Eri that no matter how gentle and kind the other person treats her, she just can't move on from Eri

Fuyuki can't fall in love with Kisaki no matter how kind she is, and Eri can't fall in love with Kyou no matter how many love declarations he gives her are what makes them the unpredictable humans, so i think they're neat together
 
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Up until now I didn't really take Eri's "I always fall in love with someone if they're in love with me, trust" thing at face value, and figured she was just ace. It felt like she was still carrying around the trauma of that one girl blowing up her life for rejecting her, and it ended up feeling like she had to reciprocate those feelings whenever they were offered. I'm not sure she's ever really loved her exes back despite what she tells herself. Maybe that'll get further deconstructed as she tries out this relationship with Fuyuki, maybe she really does have this extremely specific orientation.

I truly think the operative point is that every other time Eri was in a relationship, it wasn't with Fuyuki.

Fuyuki is everything to Eri, to the extent that even when she had a boyfriend, she put Fuyuki first - to the point it actually caused several of those relationships to end.

If I'm honest, I think the sticking point for some of the people here is the physical intimacy question, and whether Eri can truly reciprocate Fuyuki's desire for it with her. Clearly Eri is capable of intimacy with her partners, but I guess we can't say whether she was enthusiastic about it, because the only relationship we really get depicted is the one with Kyou, who was a special case - she accepted his confession because he maintained that he'd never get mad at Eri for prioritizing Fuyuki (a lie, as it turned out), but Eri really only ever saw him as a childhood friend, and he simply ignored that and forced his one-sided feelings onto her until she accepted them.
I don't know if that means he's a valid barometer for how she was in every relationship, but it's very much highlighted as a peculiar case in her history, and so I think that's an indication that her dating Kyou was atypical even for her.

But with Fuyuki - the groundwork is arguably there for a deep loving bond. And even if the physical aspect needs to be worked out between them, that's not really an impossible hurdle to clear by any stretch. Ace people can still be romantic (that's why "Aro" is distinct), and even then it's still a spectrum of behavior and tendencies and boundaries, and with proper communication Eri and Fuyuki can absolutely find a balance that works for them both.

But, I think it's clear that Eri absolutely loves Fuyuki. While not explicitly a physically romantic sense, it's certainly more than "love between childhood friends". Eri got so torn up and jealous and possessive upon learning about Kisaki and Fuyuki's relationship that I struggle to imagine there's not something of immense substance there - so the work now is for them to communicate and be honest so they can navigate what is building between them and find the way that works best for them.

I'm repeating myself at this point, but it's all about communication and honesty. Eri was kept in the dark up until quite recently about Fuyuki's true feelings for her, and so she could never do anything about it until now. Now that she knows, she and Fuyuki just have to maintain that open link of communication and trust & be open with one another, and I'd honestly be surprised if they couldn't make it work between them, with how much and how deeply the care for the other.
 
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I truly think the operative point is that every other time Eri was in a relationship, it wasn't with Fuyuki.

Fuyuki is everything to Eri, to the extent that even when she had a boyfriend, she put Fuyuki first - to the point it actually caused several of those relationships to end.

If I'm honest, I think the sticking point for some of the people here is the physical intimacy question, and whether Eri can truly reciprocate Fuyuki's desire for it with her. Clearly Eri is capable of intimacy with her partners, but I guess we can't say whether she was enthusiastic about it, because the only relationship we really get depicted is the one with Kyou, who was a special case - she accepted his confession because he maintained that he'd never get mad at Eri for prioritizing Fuyuki (a lie, as it turned out), but Eri really only ever saw him as a childhood friend, and he simply ignored that and forced his one-sided feelings onto her until she accepted them.
I don't know if that means he's a valid barometer for how she was in every relationship, but it's very much highlighted as a peculiar case in her history, and so I think that's an indication that her dating Kyou was atypical even for her.
Plus, Kyou asked her out after she had otherwise written off dating, so that's probably another attitude difference she brought to that particular relationship.
 

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