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it's impossible to reason with people like you, i've tried, you just doubled down and made it personal, insulting me when i asked you to keep your shit out of a lesbian manga.
you wouldn't have any of it and made it all about trans people, as trans people normally do, because they need all the attention they can get etc.

you cannot be reasoned with, so i'm not going to engage with you any further.
keep your shit out of our community, we really don't need you shoehorning your shit into this.
I am a sapphic woman you colossal idiot, I care about trans people because I have trans friends that I don't want to be persecuted or murdered. It's real fuckin' simple. I have just as much claim as you do to talk about a lesbian manga, and that's even assuming you're a queer woman yourself, I will extend to you the courteous assumption that you are not a het dude fetishizing us while denying us agency, because that would be a shitty thing wouldn't it? Trying to tone police how a lesbian can interact or interpret a lesbian story because your het dude brain understand lesbianism better somehow? Lemme tell ya, if you are a gay person too, you're giving some real Gay Conservative energy. You are exactly the kind of person who would sell out a jewish person to the nazis and then act surprised when the nazis find a reason to kill you too. Maybe perform some introspection about that fact, if for no other reason than basic self-preservation.

And lest we forget, I started my criticism of you by talking about your more general queerphobia of "this queer story somehow doesn't have queer themes because that's somehow how storytelling works" and "western gays are sucky compared to eastern ones because something-something protesting to make the world a better place is bad somehow", wanting us to all be the "polite gays" who people like you can push around. I just dug into your transphobia because it is the most obvious aspect of your general craptitude and led directly into your most directly neo-nazi takes.

You in fact made it personal to ME when you started talking about bullshit propaganda saying "well some trans people will still commit suicide so we shouldn't try AT ALL to make life less shitty for them", so because you don't understand how medical ethics, harm mitigation or statistics work, I have to have my friends suffering mental health crisis? get the actual fuck out of here you fascist piece of shit. "Man some people are always gonna do murders, so we should not try to catch murderers at all" you absolute clown. Not to mention your lies about the prevalence of detransitioners, trying to pretend the only valid forms of queer people are gay men and gay women, that we shouldn't fight together as an allied block for some stupid-ass reason, and you not having any answer at all when I cite a fuckin' source for one of my claims, something you continually failed to do for any of yours.

So no, I'm not letting you get away with this holier than thou "oh my you are so uncouth" angling when you are the one spewing eliminationist rhetoric. I will continue to insult you because that is what people deserve when they ACT like gigantic pieces of shit
 
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I am a sapphic woman you colossal idiot, I care about trans people because I have trans friends that I don't want to be persecuted or murdered. It's real fuckin' simple. I have just as much claim as you do to talk about a lesbian manga, and that's even assuming you're a queer woman yourself, I will extend to you the courteous assumption that you are not a het dude fetishizing us while denying us agency, because that would be a shitty thing wouldn't it? Trying to tone police how a lesbian can interact or interpret a lesbian story because your het dude brain understand lesbianism better somehow? Lemme tell ya, if you are a gay person too, you're giving some real Gay Conservative energy. You are exactly the kind of person who would sell out a jewish person to the nazis and then act surprised when the nazis find a reason to kill you too. Maybe perform some introspection about that fact, if for no other reason than basic self-preservation.

And lest we forget, I started my criticism of you by talking about your more general queerphobia of "this queer story somehow doesn't have queer themes because that's somehow how storytelling works" and "western gays are sucky compared to eastern ones because something-something protesting to make the world a better place is bad somehow", wanting us to all be the "polite gays" who people like you can push around. I just dug into your transphobia because it is the most obvious aspect of your general craptitude and led directly into your most directly neo-nazi takes.

You in fact made it personal to ME when you started talking about bullshit propaganda saying "well some trans people will still commit suicide so we shouldn't try AT ALL to make life less shitty for them", so because you don't understand how medical ethics, harm mitigation or statistics work, I have to have my friends suffering mental health crisis? get the actual fuck out of here you fascist piece of shit. "Man some people are always gonna do murders, so we should not try to catch murderers at all" you absolute clown. Not to mention your lies about the prevalence of detransitioners, trying to pretend the only valid forms of queer people are gay men and gay women, that we shouldn't fight together as an allied block for some stupid-ass reason, and you not having any answer at all when I cite a fuckin' source for one of my claims, something you continually failed to do for any of yours.

So no, I'm not letting you get away with this holier than thou "oh my you are so uncouth" angling when you are the one spewing eliminationist rhetoric. I will continue to insult you because that is what people deserve when they ACT like gigantic pieces of shit
get a grip, nobody is being murdered.
i suggest you open the dictionary and check what murder means.
i thought those carricature people who are terminally online and live in their own bubble of truth and reality, are just made up, but turns out they do really exist even outside of twitter.
 
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get a grip, nobody is being murdered.
i suggest you open the dictionary and check what murder means.
i thought those carricature people who are terminally online and live in their own bubble of truth and reality, are just made up, but turns out they do really exist even outside of twitter.
Factually incorrect, I will again cite sources.

https://reports.hrc.org/an-epidemic-of-violence-2024

https://glaad.org/glaad-alert-desk-data-shows-dramatic-rise-in-anti-trans-hate-incidents/

https://www.them.us/story/trans-hate-crimes-increase-fbi-report

https://www.statista.com/chart/3226...s-in-the-us-targeting-the-lgbtqia--community/

You really are so comfortably sheltered in your own ignorance as to believe that hate crime murders of queer people, and trans people specifically never happen? You are so oblivious it's comical. That took me all of five seconds, if you spent the slightest amount of time to verify that for yourself rather than reflexively deny it, you could have found out too. Maybe you should ponder for yourself why you were so sure about something that proved staggeringly easy to disprove? Maybe that you've been running off assumptions and vibes this whole time? Maybe you just believe some particular right-wing grifter selling you a story?

Also if you haven't been paying attention, America in particular is currently being run by a fascist who is putting people in overseas death camps, literal gulags where no person ever leaves alive, but hey I'm sure that doesn't happen either eh? Want me to cite sources on that too you ignorant little shit?
 
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Factually incorrect, I will again cite sources.

https://reports.hrc.org/an-epidemic-of-violence-2024

https://glaad.org/glaad-alert-desk-data-shows-dramatic-rise-in-anti-trans-hate-incidents/

https://www.them.us/story/trans-hate-crimes-increase-fbi-report

https://www.statista.com/chart/3226...s-in-the-us-targeting-the-lgbtqia--community/

You really are so comfortably sheltered in your own ignorance as to believe that hate crime murders of queer people, and trans people specifically never happen? You are so oblivious it's comical. That took me all of five seconds, if you spent the slightest amount of time to verify that for yourself rather than reflexively deny it, you could have found out too. Maybe you should ponder for yourself why you were so sure about something that proved staggeringly easy to disprove? Maybe that you've been running off assumptions and vibes this whole time? Maybe you just believe some particular right-wing grifter selling you a story?

Also if you haven't been paying attention, America in particular is currently being run by a fascist who is putting people in overseas death camps, literal gulags where no person ever leaves alive, but hey I'm sure that doesn't happen either eh? Want me to cite sources on that too you ignorant little shit?
oopsie daisy, someone's moving the goalposts?
you were indirectly calling me a murderer, you were accusing me of hurting trans people for wanting them to not shoehorn themselves into a lesbian manga, that's the entire thing that triggered you to hell and back, which is absolute comedy if you truly are not even trans, begging the question as to why the hell you involve yourself for a group that's not ever been a part of the current topic.
listen, you absolute maniac, not including trans people in media is not killing trans people, not involving them in a lesbian yuri manga is not murdering them, and not grouping them in with gay and lesbian people, is also NOT murdering them, that's the entire topic as far as you dragged it down.
but now you want to talk about hate crimes against trans people, well open your eyes missy, the entire world has hate crimes against all sorts of people, it only depends on where you look.
trans people are not the only group being attacked, everyone is.
hate doesn't discriminate, as you have proven right here in this very discussion, you are one of those hateful people who willingly derail a work of art, derail it's purpose to make it about something else, and show absolute hate toward people who are fans of yuri and ask you not to shoehorn other unrelated groups into it.
you are the very thing you dislike so much, and yet you probably never even experienced actual, real, true hate crimes the way i have, not by a long shot, evident by your dreamworld you call truth.

you're pathetic and i feel sorry for you.
 
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oopsie daisy, someone's moving the goalposts?
you were indirectly calling me a murderer, you were accusing me of hurting trans people for wanting them to not shoehorn themselves into a lesbian manga, that's the entire thing that triggered you to hell and back, which is absolute comedy if you truly are not even trans, begging the question as to why the hell you involve yourself for a group that's not ever been a part of the current topic.
listen, you absolute maniac, not including trans people in media is not killing trans people, not involving them in a lesbian yuri manga is not murdering them, and not grouping them in with gay and lesbian people, is also NOT murdering them, that's the entire topic as far as you dragged it down.
but now you want to talk about hate crimes against trans people, well open your eyes missy, the entire world has hate crimes against all sorts of people, it only depends on where you look.
trans people are not the only group being attacked, everyone is.
hate doesn't discriminate, as you have proven right here in this very discussion, you are one of those hateful people who willingly derail a work of art, derail it's purpose to make it about something else, and show absolute hate toward people who are fans of yuri and ask you not to shoehorn other unrelated groups into it.
you are the very thing you dislike so much, and yet you probably never even experienced actual, real, true hate crimes the way i have, not by a long shot, evident by your dreamworld you call truth.

you're pathetic and i feel sorry for you.
I'm not saying that you in particular are murdering a trans person right this second, that would be ridiculous... but you are parroting the same rhetoric of those that literally have, you are in your own small way serving as a cog in that same machine. You are not the Cause of the problem, but you are a Small Part of it.

The reason I focussed on trans people was because you said some incredibly transphobic shit that I will now paraphrase "man trying to claim a lesbian story has queer themes is why you western queers suck, this and caring about the lives of trans people" I know trans people aren't part of this story, that was never part of my argument you idiot. I am tearing you apart on your nazi-ass takes on trans people because YOU brought it up unprompted while being generally queerphobic. I'm not going to let you get away with that gaslighting, whether you believe it or not, you started this shit fucker, I'm just ending it.

Not every Nazi literally pulled the lever at the gas chambers, but all of them remained silent, turned a blind eye, and allowed people to be slaughtered en masse, and you aren't even silently accepting the shitty things that are happening, you are actively spreading the misinformation used to justify that murder, it's no coincidence that legal rights are being stripped from trans people at the same time that drivel you spout is popular, it's no coincidence that the murders of trans and other queer people have skyrocketed over the last couple of years. Because that's what always happens, when one hated minority is targeted, others are targeted as well.

But you're an idiot with no pattern recognition who can't recognize the obvious, so I'll point it out for you. The nazis (because they remain a useful example of how this shit works) didn't START by putting people in death camps, and they didn't kill just one kind of minority. They had massive propaganda campaigns, street thugs murdering their enemies with plausible deniability, they also targeted black people, roma, russians, gay people, and yes, trans people (though they just called them gay because the nazis didn't exactly understand nuance) IN ADDITION to all of the jewish people they killed, and they did this after they had demonised all of those minority groups for years.

That's the fucking point, that's why it's so stupid for you to say "well hate crimes are also happening to X and Y" because the same fucking people who want to do hate crimes to to trans people ALSO want to do them to every other kind of minority, and you are allowing them to slippery slope waterslide their way into doing MORE hate crimes to EVERYONE, because allowing violence makes further violence easier, because fucking obviously.

So no, you aren't personally shooting a trans person in the head, but you are co-signing the same acceptance of violence that risks one day killing us both, because you're a useful idiot. And may I just say, it is fucking wild the lack of perspective you have to think that I am trying to put trans people in this story (I was not, this story has no trans characters and I have never claimed that) or that I am somehow equivilent to genocidal fucksticks for pointing out "hey that's pretty fucked up you want more people to die bro" Get the fuck outta here with "derailing the art's purpose" when I was the one initially doing a Sapphic theme analysis of the lesbian story and you said "duuur but it got no queer themes tho"

Oh christ... I think I understand what's going on here. You literally don't understand that "Queer" is most often used as a blanket term for all kinds of LGBT+ people do you? you fucking clown, all this time you literally didn't know what the word means. Yes gay men are Queer, Lesbians are Queer, trans people, bi people, intersex people and a bunch of others are all Queer, because that's how the word is used, what the fuck did you think it meant? I mean you still have nazi-ass takes about the kinds of queer people you don't like so you still deserve a good bricking, but now I get to clown on you from not understanding the argument from word one.
 

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