Kouritsu-Chuu Madoushi, Daini no Jinsei de Madou wo Kiwameru - Vol. 7 Ch. 43 - Void Mage of the Five Heavenly Mages

[Glomoro]

@katanon Technically, tons of settings that aren't already labeled as isekai would be if we made stuff like this the bare minimum. If there's stuff like summoning magic, the summons gotta come from somewhere. There's that one arc in Fairy Tail that's absolutely an isekai sort of situation, but it's not like it was the premise of the entire series. Dragon Ball Z had multiple dimensions and planets being visited in it even before they added in entire other universes for Super. Speaking of multiverse settings, DC and Marvel are one big isekai clusterfuck if you really wanna say so about them.

 

[katanon]

@Glomoro This manga is clearly taking an isekai turn. You fail to see that Dbz and FT deal with sci-fi, planets and alternate timelines. They are not isekai status. As for DC and Marvel, you're trying to get me to compare this single story to an entire Franchise of various authers who redact and retcon their scrambled worlds and plot as desired. Marvel and DC just can't stick with a single plot and always re-do stuff. Also people like Thor are Physically on a different [world] planet in the Same Universe.

The definition of 'world' in isekai is quite different as this manga is clearly summoning people/tech from a completely different universe with different laws of physics. It's an entirely different realm which is fundamentally different than interplanetary/time travel. This manga has modern day warfare tech from another world with entirely different laws of physics and principles which qualifies it as Isekai. It would be fine if the world setting just had guns in the first place, but the author cheaped out and hit the isekai button this far into what should have just remained a fantasy genre.

 

[Glomoro]

@katanon Or, my point was that "isekai" implies the story is about the main character getting sent to the other world themselves, usually to be stuck there for the duration of the story because that's sort of the point of that entire deal. Also that just having the ability to see, interact with or even visit other worlds is an old staple of sci-fi and fantasy in general while "isekai" carries very specific implications.

 

[Koremitsu_Arita]

uh, shouldn't you challenge the red tower if you excel in blue

 

[katanon]

@Glomoro We simply have different opinions about the definition of Isekai. You define it as the main character being transferred and stuck in another world. I interpret Isekai as quite literally, another world (non-planetary or timeline related). This is Isekai to me regardless of whether the main character is involved in the transportation or not. And I'm sure plenty of people would agree it counts as Isekai now that the author broke the fantasy genre and went with other world summoning/tech. The weapons are almost surely from an entirely different dimension and not somewhere else physically in this manga's universe.

 

[Glomoro]

@Koremitsu_Arita The point of the titles is being the strongest person of that particular element, I suppose. If you really want to be impressive, you'd challenge the water mage with fire and defeat them despite their inherent advantage and being considered the top of their field. Otherwise, sticking to fighting fire with fire (figuratively, but literally to I guess) is simple enough.




Yes, I'm ignoring the post that actually pinged me to come back here. They started it by ignoring the entire point of my argument. I'm a petty asshole, and don't pretend otherwise.

 

[katanon]

Yes you are petty. You are the one that pinged me in the first place to argue about the definition of isekai and I didn't ignore your point of argument at all. I addressed the root of the debate which was that we both have different definitions for the word 'Isekai'. There, I didn't ping you so now you can go 'ignore me' since you seem to really like arguing for someone 'ignoring' me... and then brag that you're ignoring someone who supposedly ignored you.

 

[Salfaro]

Wasn't it mentioned at the start of the manga that he was physically unable to learn any other magics anymore because he'd maxed out his level by learning red magic, not just that he'd gotten too old? If that's the case, it seems like a terrible idea to get good at red magic, since it might keep him from capping out on green/spirit magic later on if he dumps too much into it.