Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka? - Ch. 74.1

[dab1ackdud3]

Dragon waifu

 

[hiimRaine]

Couldn't the spider lady teleport part of the enemy? Like only their arm or only their head. Pretty much a dimensional cutter at this point.

She can, she did it with her far sight evil eyes and it left her with trauma, so she sealed it.

 

[Lunkli]

So is wrath just the worst of all the seven deadly sins skills? Because none of the others seem to literally take away your free will as far as we've seen, right?

 

[TwinAero]

Damn brat! Turning into an envyandere without permission... Correction is needed! 💢

 

[ezzhead]

SEE, SHE PULLS ABILITY OUT HER ASS. I WAS RIGHT, FUCK YOU @Tetragramat WOW A SUDDEN ENEMY TELEPORT ABILITY THAT SHE JUST PULLED OUT HER HUMAN ASS????!?!? WOW WHAT A GOOD MANGA

For context, this was my critic last chapter from a month ago
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/kumo-desu-ga-nani-ka-ch-73-2.2160873/post-25281609

Edit: Slight clarification. My only critism is that now she can basically and lazily get out of any situation by just "unlocking her power". its like the shigaraki problem, where the author can pull a quirk ability up his ass and get away with it "sorry man, I got this quirk 5 months ago that can specifically counter your quirk" . Or its the heian era sukuna problem again. Before this, she is atleast limited and bound by the system (which is really cool). Now its just "yeah she can do that now".

I see your point. BUT, we don't really gaf lol

 

[ezzhead]

"I am Nia"
Would.

The MLP pfp says it all
.....
WAIT IS THAT RAINBOW DASH WEARING A COLLAR????

 

[fight2live]

actually a creative way to use teleportation power. i've seen it before, tho

 

[_hng_]

now imagine our spider keeps repeating the teleporting stuff right before they touch the ground and let the kinetic energy build up

There is still terminal velocity though.

 

[XNFEdayo]

I don't think the criticism is a lack of foreshadowing. I think the criticism is that it's going to undermine tension in unsatisfying ways. Yes, she could always make threads, but suddenly pulling out her old powers as the plot needs them to instantly resolve whatever conflict is happening at the time feels like cheap writing, especially if it happens repeatedly. It makes her victories feel unearned.

Sorry mate, I don't look for underlying thoughts when I read. I read what is written, as it's written because that's the easiest way to avoid misunderstandings. If that was his actual criticism and not the brain dead mash of words he spewed instead.....then just say that! If your complaint isn't about a lack of foreshadowing then don't bring up foreshadowing. Is this basic logic too much for people's minds?

Now that I got that rant out the way, to actually answer what you're saying: All of the regain skills so far wasn't gained through conflict at all. Not a single one. They were gained through comedy. When she stopped thinking about how to do things and just did them instinctively when drunk. It's a pretty well known phenomenon called "Reflex" or also "Muscle Memory" when your body knows what to do but either your brain can't quite figure it out or busy with something else.
And to address the "It makes her victories feel unearned", were you actually serious with that one? As said before, these are not skills/spells she's making up or learning "out of her ass" like the village idiot claimed....they are stuff she VERY much earned through her hellish experiences she's just regaining (feel like I've said that before. Have I said that before?) what she could already do (Yeah, definitely said that before.)

edit: For more information, please revisit chapter 72 where she not only talks about why she can only use a portion of her skills but also how she worked to refigure out how to use spells.

 

[dsfargeg]

Now that I got that rant out the way, to actually answer what you're saying: All of the regain skills so far wasn't gained through conflict at all. Not a single one.

Chapter 70.1, page 7.

 

[lordsavor]

Sorry mate, I don't look for underlying thoughts when I read. I read what is written, as it's written because that's the easiest way to avoid misunderstandings. If that was his actual criticism and not the brain dead mash of words he spewed instead.....then just say that! If your complaint isn't about a lack of foreshadowing then don't bring up foreshadowing. Is this basic logic too much for people's minds?

Now that I got that rant out the way, to actually answer what you're saying: All of the regain skills so far wasn't gained through conflict at all. Not a single one. They were gained through comedy. When she stopped thinking about how to do things and just did them instinctively when drunk. It's a pretty well known phenomenon called "Reflex" or also "Muscle Memory" when your body knows what to do but either your brain can't quite figure it out or busy with something else.
And to address the "It makes her victories feel unearned", were you actually serious with that one? As said before, these are not skills/spells she's making up or learning "out of her ass" like the village idiot claimed....they are stuff she VERY much earned through her hellish experiences she's just regaining (feel like I've said that before. Have I said that before?) what she could already do (Yeah, definitely said that before.)

edit: For more information, please revisit chapter 72 where she not only talks about why she can only use a portion of her skills but also how she worked to refigure out how to use spells.

Atleast someone now get my point of view, thank you @dsfargeg you explained my point perfectly.

Sorry english is not my first language, and yes. My foreshadowing point still stands, she had NEVER teleported her enemies before. That is a vastly different thing than teleporting allied/herself.

Do you know how awesome it is when she was fighting araba? the tactics, strategy, exploitation. The climax is so awesome where the prideful dragon slowly deactivated his skills. Or the repeated times where she abused the level up mechanic to not die, THAT IS AWESOME. Creates a lot of tension, build up, and pay off. Hell, when kumoko is half spider and half human is even more awesome! I don't know why the fuck the author only kept that form for a few chapters, that is super cool! Or when she deactivated the spider skill so her children can't use it. This is why I read this manga.

Now, she just "yeah teleport you to 5km (which she never done before btw, yes she can teleport, yes she can teleport allies, but she never teleported her enemies before) wow what a way to kill all of the tension! And now shes just a godly spider-woman with OP reality bending ability.

 

[Hermann]

Atleast someone now get my point of view, thank you @dsfargeg you explained my point perfectly.

Sorry english is not my first language, and yes. My foreshadowing point still stands, she had NEVER teleported her enemies before. That is a vastly different thing than teleporting allied/herself.

Do you know how awesome it is when she was fighting araba? the tactics, strategy, exploitation. The climax is so awesome where the prideful dragon slowly deactivated his skills. Or the repeated times where she abused the level up mechanic to not die, THAT IS AWESOME. Creates a lot of tension, build up, and pay off. Hell, when kumoko is half spider and half human is even more awesome! I don't know why the fuck the author only kept that form for a few chapters, that is super cool! Or when she deactivated the spider skill so her children can't use it. This is why I read this manga.

Now, she just "yeah teleport you to 5km (which she never done before btw, yes she can teleport, yes she can teleport allies, but she never teleported her enemies before) wow what a way to kill all of the tension! And now shes just a godly spider-woman with OP reality bending ability.

Wait wait wait wait wait...

I agree with the Araba Dragon thing, but...

The fact that she teleported an enemy in this fight but never before is really what you consider the problem here?

I'm a stickler for good narrative and stuff, but this is the equivalent of that scene in the first Indiana Jones movie where he shot the swordsman instead of doing a whole sword fighting sequence (ignoring the behind the scene reason for the sake of argument), and I throw my arms and calling it an asspull, because the story is not explaining to me why he decided to do that, as he mostly used his whip and shot the bad Germans.

Sometimes we don't need an explanation, when the answer is already "Yeah. Why wouldn't MC do that, instead of making a fight run longer than it needs to be?"

 

[Kathartes]

Now, she just "yeah teleport you to 5km (which she never done before btw, yes she can teleport, yes she can teleport allies, but she never teleported her enemies before) wow what a way to kill all of the tension! And now shes just a godly spider-woman with OP reality bending ability.

So the whole spiel is just because she took the fight too easily and not struggled more? She's now a literal GOD ffs, not just "godly" spider-woman. All of her future opponents will beat her senseless if she can't even perform this little trick -- yes, it's a little trick because almost everybody can do midair maneuver, or outright teleport back/counter her skill if they're also gods. Only Oni-kun who never built up his skill repertoire consciously got done in by that.

Your threshold of reality bending seems rather low if this is enough to make you screaming.

 

[Niviik]

My foreshadowing point still stands, she had NEVER teleported her enemies before. That is a vastly different thing than teleporting allied/herself.

I just checked back, and she does. Chapter 45.2, she teleports the spider puppets into lava.
So, no, she's not pulling new abilities out of her ass just because it is convenient. She has learnt back how to teleport, it's normal that she knows to use it as she did before.

This story has always had fights that were either very tense or comically one sided for Kumoko. This one is the latter.
She's much stronger than when she got out of the dungeon and she was already at the level of a legendary monster.
Now, she is litterally a godess. There are not many opponents left in this world who can be a challenge for her. (There are still a few though...)

 

[Fushiginiku]

It's pretty heartwarming how much Shiro actually is looking after Sophia and caring about her. Nothing in Shiro's background, back in Japan or this new world, would really make her a person likely to adopt such a role.

Well, she's a mom, so...

 

[DLRevan]

Yeah thats my point man, she now has these godly abilities that she can "unlock" freely now. Again, whats stopping the author to say "yeah she can warp reality even more now lol, she unlocked it beacuse shes a badass god now". This is like shigaraki problem again. "oh, yeah I actually have absorbed a quirk like 5 months ago that can specifically counter your quirk, sorry man". Or the heian era sukuna problem. Theres no limitation now and the author can lazily let her unlock abilities instead of being bound by the limitation of the system. The system was a really cool way of limiting her, now shes just another isekai power fantasy character.

Loads of whining based on one plot development of the story and ignoring the overarching theme of the series.

You're obsessed about powers to begin with, which is a part of the problem. You're not correct anyway, she can't 'unlock' whatever she wants. But everyone in this thread understands that except you it seems.

 

[DLRevan]

Atleast someone now get my point of view, thank you @dsfargeg you explained my point perfectly.

Sorry english is not my first language, and yes. My foreshadowing point still stands, she had NEVER teleported her enemies before. That is a vastly different thing than teleporting allied/herself.

Do you know how awesome it is when she was fighting araba? the tactics, strategy, exploitation. The climax is so awesome where the prideful dragon slowly deactivated his skills. Or the repeated times where she abused the level up mechanic to not die, THAT IS AWESOME. Creates a lot of tension, build up, and pay off. Hell, when kumoko is half spider and half human is even more awesome! I don't know why the fuck the author only kept that form for a few chapters, that is super cool! Or when she deactivated the spider skill so her children can't use it. This is why I read this manga.

Now, she just "yeah teleport you to 5km (which she never done before btw, yes she can teleport, yes she can teleport allies, but she never teleported her enemies before) wow what a way to kill all of the tension! And now shes just a godly spider-woman with OP reality bending ability.

So it IS your point of view? Then just freaking say it and stop wasting our time.

And as I said earlier, my answer to you then is go take a hike. This series is not about that, is not going to be about that and pretty much never will be again. Go somewhere else.

Most the rest of us who are happy to see her suffer problems of all kinds, get into funny situations because of them, overcome them only to find a new level of problems, are fine. Now its your turn, please join all of those idiots in the previous arc who spent all their energy wasting time talking about how powerless she was and just drop it.

It's one thing to address criticism, another when your expectations don't match up with what the series is about. Maybe for a few chapters an arcs it did, but you're not entitled to something just because you like one part of it, and its exhausting for everyone else to deal with.

 

[HailTheHaleHydrator]

Hell, when kumoko is half spider and half human is even more awesome! I don't know why the fuck the author only kept that form for a few chapters, that is super cool!

That was a couple of LN volumes lol.

As for your main issue, I don't think it is going to get better for you as the series progresses. Many of the battles in the later novels become more abstract not more detailed like the Araba fight you laud.

If the manga continues in chronological order, it might start covering the things it skipped, however, and that would be a welcome return to form for you. I find the other mc completely insufferable, but that arc is grounded in skill use.

 

[mahtan]

The MLP pfp says it all
.....
WAIT IS THAT RAINBOW DASH WEARING A COLLAR????

Yep, it is from a fanfic were she becomes Twilight's "pet".

 

[ezzhead]

Yep, it is from a fanfic were she becomes Twilight's "pet".