Kuse Tsuyo Kanojo wa Toko ni Izanau - Vol. 4 Ch. 20.6

[MrPP118]

But that is what the author wants to show with Nao: a "cuck" isn't defined solely by whether or not he gets aroused.

Throughout the story, we’ve seen Nao imagining Luna having sex with others and experiencing the same feelings anyone would have if their partner cheated on them.

From the very beginning, he has been romantically pursuing her, and she, despite showing signs that she has feelings for him, keeps stringing him along.

How does she repay him? By having sex with someone else at a hotel, using the worst excuse possible. Again, we see Nao feeling "cheated"

This only really applies if the sex actually happened and looking at this chapter again Naoto correctly guessed she was trying to deal with her sexual desires but they both might be on the wrong page of the how.

 

[Uk2897]

Here's a quick rundown on what we got from this chapter.

• Luna used the app to blow off pent up sexual desires before. An older character having "experience" is nothing out of the ordinary.
• There's no confirmation whether or not she actually went through all the way this time, only thing confirmed was that Naoto caught her using the app to meet someone.
• Luna's wording from chapter 25 makes it clear that she actually wants to erase said sexual desires. Not relieve it, ERASE IT, so she can continue being "Naoto's Big Sister".
• Luna is willing to help relieve Naoto's pent up desires, AS his "BIG SIS LUNA". She is willing do anything, and everything for him, but she is compelled to do so ONLY AS HIS "OLDER SISTER".

So she banged someone or had a BDSM session
?

 

[chivasmen]

Luna: "Nao, i use a dating app for my sexual desires. Would you still accepting me...?"

Nao: "Don't worry, Luna, i still love you, so it's ok if it's you"

Man, i just can't 😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Luna: "Nao, I got pregnant by one of the last men I slept with, but he refuses to take responsibility; would you be willing to raise the baby with me?"

Nao: "Don't worry, Luna, i still love you, so it's ok if it's you"

Man, i just can't too hahahaha 😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[shinya78]

So she banged someone or had a BDSM session
?

Maybe? Maybe not? I Dunno. It was never confirmed the how, or if she even banged for that particular meetup in the first place. This is due to the author never actually showing what happened via King Crimson a time-skip, and the conversation between Luna and Naoto only mentioning that Luna had been drinking at some point within the skipped time. While it is heavily implied there was sexy time involved in the hotel because of Luna mentioning that she used a matching app to blow off pent up sexual desire and that this was also one of her secrets, the blank caused by the skipped time provides breathing room for author to bullshit his way out of the situation should the need arise.

Bonus detail that people should take in consideration because of the author's rather specific choice of words for Luna in Chapter 25. She went to the Hotel this time to erase a specific desire. Not to satisfy, nor relieve, TO ERASE. She sees that bodily desire as a hindrance on her staying as Naoto's "Luna-nee"("Big Sis Luna"), and she is willing to do EVERYTHING for "Nao-kun", even take care of his pent up urges, provided that she does it as his "Luna-nee", as his "Big Sis Luna".

 

[chivasmen]

So she banged someone or had a BDSM session
?

We still don't know exactly what is meant by "erasing" or "unleashing" their sexual desire. It could be something trivial, like a simple kiss, a massage, mutual masturbation, the BDSM session you mentioned, or actual sex. And until they show it explicitly, anything we say is nothing more than speculation and theory. The only thing I’m 100% sure of is that if that "sexual desire" involves actual sex, this manga will suffer the same fate as that piece of trash Grapara!; after all, it’s already been proven that the rom-com fandom doesn't mess around, haha.

 

[MrPP118]

Couple this with Luna's lonely upbringing, not wanting to be separated from the only person that gave her the happiest time of her life, her wanting to erase the "desire" that is more associated to "Luna" just so she can stay as "Luna-nee", and we'll get 'Dependency Theory'... which looks more and more plausible as the story continues.

I still have the Supernatural/Succubus!Luna Theory in the back-pocket, in case the cause was more biological in nature, and that because of being relatives, Naoto could potentially be part Incubus himself, with him somehow attracting all the quirky girls towards him just by being there.

So if we assume that Naoto completely misread how Luna was offering to help with his own sexual urges then if this theory is true we might see Luna panic if Naoto tries going for sex and then we get the reveal she never had sex at the hotel.

 

[MrPP118]

We still don't know exactly what is meant by "erasing" or "unleashing" their sexual desire. It could be something trivial, like a simple kiss, a massage, mutual masturbation, the BDSM session you mentioned, or actual sex. And until they show it explicitly, anything we say is nothing more than speculation and theory. The only thing I’m 100% sure of is that if that "sexual desire" involves actual sex, this manga will suffer the same fate as that piece of trash Grapara!; after all, it’s already been proven that the rom-com fandom doesn't mess around, haha.

Regardless of how things go, this series won't suffer the same fate as Grapara, mainly because the author isn't nearly as prolific as KA.

 

[chivasmen]

Regardless of how things go, this series won't suffer the same fate as Grapara, mainly because the author isn't nearly as prolific as KA.

I’m not referring to the Grapara actual ending... but rather to its premature cancellation.
Fans of romantic comedies hate NTR and infidelity, and this story has made it clear from the start that both Luna and the protagonist have always harbored romantic feelings for each other... So yes, if that "sexual desire" of Luna's were to turn into real sex, the author had better start preparing that "3 chapters left until the end" announcement.

Even so, I would give him the benefit of the doubt until all those "misunderstandings" are cleared up.

 

[MrPP118]

I’m not referring to the Grapara actual ending... but rather to its premature cancellation.
Fans of romantic comedies hate NTR and infidelity, and the story has made it clear from the start that both Luna and the protagonist have always harbored romantic feelings for each other... So yes, if that "sexual desire" of Luna's were to turn into actual sex, the author had better start preparing that "3 chapters left until the end" announcement.

I assumed that's what you meant but even so I don't think things will go that way.

 

[OldVice]

Couple this with Luna's lonely upbringing, not wanting to be separated from the only person that gave her the happiest time of her life, her wanting to erase the "desire" that is more associated to "Luna" just so she can stay as "Luna-nee", and we'll get 'Dependency Theory'... which looks more and more plausible as the story continues.

I still have the Supernatural/Succubus!Luna Theory in the back-pocket, in case the cause was more biological in nature, and that because of being relatives, Naoto could potentially be part Incubus himself, with him somehow attracting all the quirky girls towards him just by being there.

It also makes you wonder if what happened at the hotel is something else as well.

If she wants to get rid of her desire towards Naoto, going to hotel for a fling makes no sense as it's not going to solve the problem in any way. Then, at the end of the chapter we see her acting weird in the apartment after getting to "the day". It's almost like she had something done to her rather than having a sexual encounter. It's also possible that all of her conflicting emotions are finally catching up with her and when Friday comes, she's having some kind of mental breakdown.

The next chapter is going to have to do some serious heavy lifting to turn this around, otherwise I see this heading for the chopping block soon......

 

[shinya78]

We still don't know exactly what is meant by "erasing" or "unleashing" their sexual desire. It could be something trivial, like a simple kiss, a massage, mutual masturbation, the BDSM session you mentioned, or actual sex. And until they show it explicitly, anything we say is nothing more than speculation and theory. The only thing I’m 100% sure of is that if that "sexual desire" involves actual sex, this manga will suffer the same fate as that piece of trash Grapara!; after all, it’s already been proven that the rom-com fandom doesn't mess around, haha.

There was no "unleashing", it straight up says "erase" in Chapter 25.2. Luna straight up wants to get rid of said desire. Because the author never showed what happened during Skipped Time, for all we know, Luna could've been consulting psychologists for ways on effectively becoming asexual. That too is a possibility, no matter how low the odds of that being the case.

Spoiler: Chapter 25.2 PAGE 24~26 dialogue

Luna: Dame
Luna: Nao-kun ga watashi wo daiji ni shitekureteru no wa wakatteru
Luna: Demo sore wa kitto...... Watashi ga "Luna-nee" dakara
Luna: Watashi ga sono issen wo koetara...
Luna: Ima no kankei ni wa... mou modorenai kamo shirenai
Luna: Mata Nao-kun ga hanareteiku nante...
Luna: ......!
Luna: ............
Luna: Dakara... kono yoku dake keshiteshimaeba ii
Luna: Nao-kun no "Luna-nee" ni, sore de mata irareru nara
[Luna opens hotel room door]

Luna: No
Luna: I understand that Nao-kun treats me as important to him
Luna: But surely... that's because I am "Big Sis Luna"
Luna: If I cross that line...
Luna: We might not be able to come back to... the relationship that we have now
Luna: Just (the possibility) that Nao-kun would leave (me) once again...
Luna: ......!
Luna: ............
Luna: That is why... I just have to erase this desire
Luna: If with this I can once again, become Nao-kun's "Luna-nee"
[Luna opens hotel room door with the face of someone starving for some vitamin "D"] <- This is sarcasm, in case it is not obvious enough.

So if we assume that Naoto completely misread how Luna was offering to help with his own sexual urges then if this theory is true we might see Luna panic if Naoto tries going for sex and then we get the reveal she never had sex at the hotel.

Yes, that too is a possibility. Until more details are revealed otherwise, it remains just that, a possibility. Welcome to Schrödinger's Slut: The Manga.

It also makes you wonder if what happened at the hotel is something else as well.

If she wants to get rid of her desire towards Naoto, going to hotel for a fling makes no sense as it's not going to solve the problem in any way. Then, at the end of the chapter we see her acting weird in the apartment after getting to "the day". It's almost like she had something done to her rather than having a sexual encounter. It's also possible that all of her conflicting emotions are finally catching up with her and when Friday comes, she's having some kind of mental breakdown.

The next chapter is going to have to do some serious heavy lifting to turn this around, otherwise I see this heading for the chopping block soon......

Whatever happened that was not shown at the hotel is all King Crimson's fault. ONORE DIAVOLO!!

Imagine if turned out that she happened to find psychologists who she could consult with about her getting hot on her younger relative, and asking for methods on how to not cross into Alabama so she could remain the proper "older sister" for him all this time instead... the possibility is not zero at the moment, and it would be funny. For all we know, with her then supposed partner(s) in the past only getting as far as kissing, which fueled the rumour of Luna "seducing guys for fun", her actual sexual "awakening" as "Luna" could've been with the then actual shota Nao-kun, possibly causing "the separation" as she didn't know what to do with her newfound urges at the time, much like Anna from Shimoneta.

The whole Schrödinger's Cat style storytelling got old 15 or so chapters ago, if anything, it's already a miracle that we're even going past volume 5.

 

[OldVice]

Whatever happened that was not shown at the hotel is all King Crimson's fault. ONORE DIAVOLO!!

Imagine if turned out that she happened to find psychologists who she could consult with about her getting hot on her younger relative, and asking for methods on how to not cross into Alabama so she could remain the proper "older sister" for him all this time instead... the possibility is not zero at the moment, and it would be funny. For all we know, with her then supposed partner(s) in the past only getting as far as kissing, which fueled the rumour of Luna "seducing guys for fun", her actual sexual "awakening" as "Luna" could've been with the then actual shota Nao-kun, possibly causing "the separation" as she didn't know what to do with her newfound urges at the time, much like Anna from Shimoneta.

The whole Schrödinger's Cat style storytelling got old 15 or so chapters ago, if anything, it's already a miracle that we're even going past volume 5.

I still also find it kind of odd that she would go to a luxury hotel for a fling (if that's what it was with half the sign covered) as those things aren't cheap and doesn't make sense over a standard or love hotel.

I also kind of want to point out that if this situation was actually meeting for sex, the way Suga went about it was actually pretty fucking malicious, as we had Mimi talk about how the app can be used to just meet new people, setting the readers mind at ease only to find out that Luna was using it for sex.

Edit: It wouldn't actually be surprising if Luna actually is in some kind of therapy as she clearly has some issues and it would make sense for her to be getting help, keeping it a secret because of the stigma that comes with it.

 

[MrPP118]

I still also find it kind of odd that she would go to a luxury hotel for a fling (if that's what it was with half the sign covered) as those things aren't cheap and doesn't make sense over a standard or love hotel.

I also kind of want to point out that if this situation was actually meeting for sex, the way Suga went about it was actually pretty fucking malicious, as we had Mimi talk about how the app can be used to just meet new people, setting the readers mind at ease only to find out that Luna was using it for sex.

There's certainly a lot of contradictions about this supposed sex meeting at the hotel, I think people jumped the gun by immediately assuming it was sex.

The same thing happened when Ryujii appeared and then we find out that Ryujii is a total virgin only going off rumours.

 

[chivasmen]

There's certainly a lot of contradictions about this supposed sex meeting at the hotel, I think people jumped the gun by immediately assuming it was sex.

The same thing happened when Ryujii appeared and then we find out that Ryujii is a total virgin only going off rumours.

You're right, we're jumping the gun a bit; there's no doubt Grapara! left us with some stigmas.

The same thing just happened with the Thursday series "Hontou wa Watashi ga": Everyone was too convinced the female lead was going to sleep with her colleague out of revenge or spite, but instead, in the latest chapter, she and the male lead reconcile and finally sleep together—with a panel even indirectly implying she was still a virgin (something the author could have left out but took the trouble to draw anyway).

 

[Magno94]

What isn't fair to Nao is that he’s the only one acting consistently with his feelings, refraining from having sex with other women, while Luna’s behavior makes him look like a cuck because she looks like someone following a carrot.

I feel like the author is doing a terrible job developing Luna’s character: remember when she catches Nao in that BDSM session with her friend and suddenly gets jealous? It strikes me as TREMENDOUSLY hypocritical for her to react that way when she’s perfectly capable of meeting up with another guy, fucking him, and not feeling even a shred of guilt regarding Nao.

And I have to bring up the park scene again, where both get really heated and Luna tells him, "Nao, your feelings have really reached me." Excuse me? You know Nao feels that way about you, yet you go off to a hotel with another guy? 🖕🖕🖕

Nao has been a victim of Luna’s actions from the very beginning.

 

[MrPP118]

What isn't fair to Nao is that he’s the only one acting consistently with his feelings, refraining from having sex with other women, while Luna’s behavior makes him look like a cuck because she looks like someone following a carrot.

I feel like the author is doing a terrible job developing Luna’s character: remember when she catches Nao in that BDSM session with her friend and suddenly gets jealous? It strikes me as TREMENDOUSLY hypocritical for her to react that way when she’s perfectly capable of meeting up with another guy, fucking him, and not feeling even a shred of guilt regarding Nao.

And I have to bring up the park scene again, where both get really heated and Luna tells him, "Nao, your feelings have really reached me." Excuse me? You know Nao feels that way about you, yet you go off to a hotel with another guy?

Nao has been a victim of Luna’s actions from the very beginning.

I don't know why you keep coming back to the cuck thing and as I keep telling you now, Luna did feel guilt.

Also you seem to be misunderstanding that park scene, there's alot more going on there and there's a clear distinction between "Luna" and "Luna-nee" and "Nao" and "Nao-kun".

And of course There's still no confirmation of what Luna actually did in the hotel.

 

[Magno94]

I don't know why you keep coming back to the cuck thing and as I keep telling you now, Luna did feel guilt.

Also you seem to be misunderstanding that park scene, there's alot more going on there and there's a clear distinction between "Luna" and "Luna-nee" and "Nao" and "Nao-kun".

And of course There's still no confirmation of what Luna actually did in the hotel.

Yeah, I’m sure Luna felt a lot of guilt while the guy was sticking it in her at the hotel and she was moaning like a bitch, all while Nao felt like absolute shit.👍

 

[MrPP118]

Yeah, I’m sure Luna felt a lot of guilt while the guy was sticking it in her at the hotel and she was moaning like a bitch, all while Nao felt like absolute shit.👍

You're jumping the gun when we don't have all the facts and when it hasn't even been confirmed she had sex 🤷

 

[Magno94]

You're jumping the gun when we don't have all the facts and when it hasn't even been confirmed she had sex 🤷

Luna confirmed that in today's episode. She met up with a guy to satisfy her sexual urges, we don't need to be Einstein to know what that means.

Nao never even thought about doing something like that; meanwhile, Luna acts jealous if she sees him with another girl, yet she feels perfectly fine meeting up with another guy to "satisfy her sexual urges." She is one of the most hypocritical and toxic FMC's I have ever seen.

What Nao should say to her is: "Oh, I see. You're constantly dropping hints that you like me, and you know full well I like you, yet you go to a hotel with another guy? Perfect. You and your shitty app can have each other. Goodbye."

 

[MrPP118]

Luna confirmed that in today's episode. She met up with a guy to satisfy her sexual urges, we don't need to be Einstein to know what that means.

Nao never even thought about doing something like that; meanwhile, Luna acts jealous if she sees him with another girl, yet she feels perfectly fine meeting up with another guy to "satisfy her sexual urges." She is one of the most hypocritical and toxic FMC's I have ever seen.

What Nao should say to her is: "Oh, I see. You're constantly dropping hints that you like me, and you know full well I like you, yet you go to a hotel with another guy? Perfect. You and your shitty app can have each other. Goodbye."

Sorry but that is not what Luna said, as translated by Shinya Luna wanted to ERASE her sexual urges, not satisfy and there's alot of other details that don't match up.

Also Nao wouldn't say anything like that, I feel like you're purposefully ignoring other details of the story at this point, there's more going on here than what you think, it's not just a simple case of Luna ignoring Nao's feelings, you're welcome to keep ranting but next chapter could turn your entire vendetta on it's head or maybe you'll be proven right.

I'm still choosing to trust what the author is doing and the details that are being hidden.