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Kuzu Rouninsei, Jinsei ga Tsurai no de Yoru no Onee-san wo Yondemita - Vol. 5 Ch. 54 - The Scumbag's Marriage Interview
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Can you not group us together with these? The people you talk to do not represent Yuri fan in any way or form. These people are just western that are full of themself and think their own little morale is more important than everyone else. They are the kind of childish people that insult everyone that dont act in a way that flatter their own little ego.I agree, the anti-japanese racism replying to me makes me know yuri fans are a wide range of lunatics and mental blocks
it's why I hate yuri fans, they ruin a good yuri story about a scumbag redeeming herself
Like this idiot boasting about being xenophobic about Japanese for reason? I guess when you're stupid enouth to be xenophobic you dont have any issue to boast about it...
The fast majority of yuri fan are chill people, extremely open to other people culture and way of life. All they want to is have fun reading cute and sweet story (because yes, most yuri are all about "cute girls doing cute things" not about "bruh people bad people dont like gay").
The few crazy people we have here are not representative at all. They are the kind that try to push they political agenda into Yuri because their life is worthless.
Like seriously, we have a bunch of people going "lol she is right to never have done anything but lie to her parent to get money to get to a hooker".
We even have a genius "their parent are bad and mistreat her because they forced her to stop doing nothing of her life and get to school!" Yeah, they should've taken the western way of throwing their child out...
The author made it a point to show that the entire family is worthless. The sister is a bitch that know full well her little sister is gay and her parent wont accept them being gay but she still decided to tell them.
The little sister is a trash that lie to everyone with the only objective to have sex with a cute girl that's totaly lost sight of everythings. She never did anything, and when her parent decided to push try and get a good job, all she did was lie to them to get money and pay a hooker....
We barely know anything about the parent, but as for now all we know is that they are aware the yougest of their child dont have any will to do anything. But they still suported her.
Then they decided to get her married to be sure she that the company their ancestor build wont disapear beacause one child is too lazy.
So they decided to push their girl to take mariage interview with dude, since they think she is straight, and she never said anything to them...
She could have just decided to leave the house. But she wont, because she dont want to work.
it was a joke, I'm sorry if it came across otherwise, someone else gave advice on it and I edited it to make it more obvious
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Dont be, you gave me an excuse to make fun of them.
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Thanks for the translation.
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yes, that's what I said, and no, "parents being parents is the worst excuse for toxic parents" is not true, I don't expect either kids nor parents to ever be on the same wavelength because parents have a responsibility to make a child independent and to work for societal, generational, and self worth... a child only has desires for self satisfaction with the expectation they will learn their future responsibilities of becoming a parent down the road
Ok...and what if a child doesn't want to become a parent? They can still "work for societal, generational, and self-worth" without parenthood being foisted upon them. You don't honestly think parenthood is the only way to achieve these things right?
So, in other words, you're just using pure anecdotal evidence to argue that Makino's parents' parenting is entirely justified? You have nothing more concrete than your own PERSONAL experience related to the matter...
I understand where your opinion is coming from, and I agree with some of it, but this is not a good argument. You even assume a given care worker would likely have a criminal record when they would more than likely have undergone a criminal background check before even being hired. Where did this even come from if not from your own experience, and if that is the case it cannot and should not be universally applied. But that's exactly what you're doing. You say:
- All children "only [have] desires for self-satisfaction."
- Most care workers have a criminal record.
- Elderly parents are incapable of taking care of themselves without assistance from their children.
Again you do make a few good points. Yet throughout all your replies you have purposefully misconstrued arguments, insulted your opposition, and disrespected a community of people.
no, pretty concrete experience for a normal family to have my own experience, and those three things are true, kids when given the choice between desire and obligation, will not even consider obligation an option, most care workers are low skill, low screened workers and elderly people do become incapable no matter what, name one 100 year old who can hop, skip, and dance for more than 20 seconds
"purposefully misconstrued arguments, insulted your opposition, and disrespected a community of people"
I've listened to arguments, pointed at things I disagreed with and refuted them, only insulted the guy claiming japanese people and their culture are lowly, and did not disrespect any community as none of my points blanket anyone and only an ending joke was made which I fixed
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Can you stop claiming that your experience is the same as that of a normal family? I'm sure there are a lot of families that share your experience, but not literally ALL families. You speak in absolutes without introducing any EMPIRICAL evidence for your claims.
And yet again you are misconstruing an argument. Being able to "hop, skip, and dance" is drastically different than being able to simply take care of yourself and ensure you're capable of meeting your basic needs. The elderly would eventually need assistance, but that doesn't necessarily have to fall on their children (even if it usually does). What evidence do you have to claim that "most care workers are low-skill, low-screened workers?"
you are stating that kids, especially LGB whatevers, should exploit families that don't adhere to their every whim because that's oppression and then backtracking to make our scumbag MC seem normal with a cute quirk in the closing remark... why?
You don't think saying "LGB whatevers" is not slightly disrespectful? Why not LGBT community? Or just LGBT? We all know what you would have meant.
I agree, the anti-japanese racism replying to me makes me know "yuri fans" are a wide range of lunatics and mental blocks
it's why I hate "yuri fans", they ruin a good yuri story about a scumbag redeeming herself
Or even this? Which I assume is the joke. Joking or not, you're still insulting a community of people. And is it even a joke if you just honestly mean it?
You're also doing the same: misconstruing what people have said and arguing in bad faith, insulting your opposition, and disrespecting a group of people. The people giving their thoughts regarding Makino's parents are not "push[ing] their political agenda into yuri." The ethics of parenting, which is what is more or less being argued, is not political.
Honestly, both of you are being ridiculous. Making rampant assumptions, arguing in bad faith, and having ZERO evidence to support anything you say.
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Thank you 😘❤️😂fixed
Looks like I my guess about the arranged marriage being their solution to their daughters not being willing/able to take over the business was right. Also makes sense, based on their beliefs and the information they can access, that they'd conclude using their family prestige and Makino's good looks to find someone to take over the business and protect their family is the right method. The parents are familiar with Makino but don't fully understanderstand her, so you could see how they could conclude basically trophy wifing her and allowing her to spend her days sitting around not studying or working like she wanted would resolve the situation to everyone's satisfaction.
Probably we are approaching the parents' lowest points as their desire to reestablish control (which they feel they need to protect their daughters from the daughters' own craziness) is leading them to abandon their own values of education through hard work, modern women having value in the work force in prestigious jobs and not just as housewives, etc. This would be a good opportunity for Mashiro (who, if she was a man, the parents would see as an ideal marriage candidate or at least someone likely to become one after college) to plead Makino's case and ask them to not give up on Makino's potential just as she's improving.
However, we have not overcome the depression/suicide arc yet, so the angst of having no role may return to Mashiro. She should know better, but people have a tendency to see what they fear even more than what they want, so we could get some drama out of Mashiro telling Makino to go be a trophy wife because Mashiro feels like it would be selfish of her to ask Makino to keep working hard at something she hates (studying) just so Mashiro can have a purpose in life, especially when Mashiro didn't reciprocate Makino's feelings when she had the chance. It's also "natural" that you move beyond female/female interests once you find a good man, at least according to a certain line of thought that many people encourage and believe in, so Makino moving on after being presented the perfect-on-paper husband might seem plausible to her for reasons entirely unrelated to either of them.
Also not sure what is going on this thread lol. I think reading this comic was supposed to be fun, but I won't claim to know other people's goals.
Probably we are approaching the parents' lowest points as their desire to reestablish control (which they feel they need to protect their daughters from the daughters' own craziness) is leading them to abandon their own values of education through hard work, modern women having value in the work force in prestigious jobs and not just as housewives, etc. This would be a good opportunity for Mashiro (who, if she was a man, the parents would see as an ideal marriage candidate or at least someone likely to become one after college) to plead Makino's case and ask them to not give up on Makino's potential just as she's improving.
However, we have not overcome the depression/suicide arc yet, so the angst of having no role may return to Mashiro. She should know better, but people have a tendency to see what they fear even more than what they want, so we could get some drama out of Mashiro telling Makino to go be a trophy wife because Mashiro feels like it would be selfish of her to ask Makino to keep working hard at something she hates (studying) just so Mashiro can have a purpose in life, especially when Mashiro didn't reciprocate Makino's feelings when she had the chance. It's also "natural" that you move beyond female/female interests once you find a good man, at least according to a certain line of thought that many people encourage and believe in, so Makino moving on after being presented the perfect-on-paper husband might seem plausible to her for reasons entirely unrelated to either of them.
Also not sure what is going on this thread lol. I think reading this comic was supposed to be fun, but I won't claim to know other people's goals.
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How do you think your culture survived to this day? Because people had kid... If people stop having kid their culture disapear, as simple as this.
And it's the most basic things for every single living being to reproduce itself. This is literaly the ONLY reason every human live, to perpetuate their specie.
The fact that some people today act as if having kid was bad make me wonder how humanity survived this long. You know that in the past gay people still had kid with the oposite sex not because they were forced to but because they wanted their family to survive?
There's nothing insulting there... It's the oposit actualy, the fact that you find the need to put the t after the LGB is weird in itself.
LGB are just gay, they have nothing to do with trans and even less with the weird random 90+ letter that come after.
Not even talking about the fact that you complain about someone shortening the lgbtqiia thing when they themself understood that they went full derp with the letter and ended up puting a frigging + after the "T"...
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But you dont have any evidence supporting anything you said too.
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Yes thank you for stating the obvious. Of course I understand how we as humans came to survive to this day.
And how about you speak for yourself. Not everyone lives with the desire to give birth and raise children. It is not "literally the ONLY reason every human live." Tell me then: what do you say to the millions of couples that choose to not have children that no doubt exist? Do you condemn them? Are they considered less human to you since they are not acting on their only reason to live according to you?
There are many reasons people don't have children. Sometimes it's out of their control. But I believe the primary one is the financial cost that's associated with bringing a child into this world and raising them in a good environment. I don't care how much someone wants to "perpetuate the species," if you bring a child into this world knowing full well you are without the means to properly provide for them you are terrible parent and an even terrible person.
Wanting to continue your lineage is fine. But we're civilized, intelligent humans not animals living in the wild. We have more than a singular desire to "perpetuate our species." Because if we didn't what makes us any different than wild animals. Do you not get that?
You wanna know why: because I haven't been making baseless claims like the both of you. You have no idea how arguing works do you. What have I said that would even require evidence that isn't just a general statement?
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Humanity survived until now because enough people reproduced. Not all. If you look at history there are plenty of people who didn't have children - be it because of biological reasons, religious reasons or simply because they didn't want to. Not to mention that if you claim that the only reason for living is to reproduce you open up a very dangerous logic chain that would allow people to argue that people that can't reproduce don't deserve to live. Which to me sounds a bit too much like arguments you'd hear from fanatics in the past when they tried to justify killing a bunch of people.
Ever heard of Frederick the Great? King of Prussia in the 18th century, suspected to be gay and died without children. He was married but lived separated from his wife once he claimed the throne. Obviously people from lower ranks don't necessarily have the same options, but just because people were forced into unhappy and potentially traumatising marriages in the past doesn't mean that this was in any way shape or form something positive. Not to mention that the child mortality in the past was way higher so the amount of children that need to be born nowadays to sustain the human race is far lower than back then.
Calling it "LGB whatevers" comes across as very dismissive and makes it seem like the person in question is either too lazy to look up a pretty easily available term or like they are purposefully trying to make it sound silly and show that they don't take it seriously. LGB was used in the past but hasn't been in use since the 90's. So unless you're stuck 30 years in the past that's not really an excuse. The LGBT community is made up of minorities that were historically oppressed and in parts still are. If every minority has to fight on their own they won't stand a chance so instead they band together. And kicking one part out just because you've gained some rights and don't need them anymore would be a huge dick move.
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well she lives under their roof and shes just lying to them so she can pay for prostitutes. thats pretty indefensible.
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also her sister has "already" moved out because she is an adult.
I will say my opinion of the parents is that we're seeing that parents get used to excerting a lot of control and deciding what's best for the child, which is necessary when you have a toddler who's trying to run out into the street and that kind of thing, and then emotionally have trouble letting go and giving the child more independence. Normally they'd be forced to upon entering adulthood, but if the adult children rely on the parents financially, the parent can continue to exert control via finances and will feel justified doing so because making those sorts of decisions is exactly what they did for decades.
For some personal information, my parents are grandpa retirement age, I am disabled, and my father was still trying to do this type of thing when I finally was able to move out due to government financial support. He was 100% convinced that moving out was a mistake and I was about to ruin my life. He wanted to use my phone to track my location at all times and things like that. I insisted on moving out, did not agree to stuff like location tracking, and eventually he had to admit it worked out okay, but he would have continued trying to exert control until his death if had had the means to do so.
If the older daughter becomes part of some kind of lesbian power couple with successful business/careers, prestigious jobs, etc the parents will probably admit it worked out okay, but right now that seems impossible to them and they are trying reestablish control instead. They also have some valid reasons to question their daughters' choices, despite their own choices in response also being bad. The comic hasn't depicted any of them as 100% right.
Also yeah, if you mean gay people just say that instead of "LGB whatevers" next time, as "gay people" is clearer and no one will be upset about it. Gay and trans aren't the same thing, but in the US the communities have cooperated because both went against the cultural understanding that gender was based on birth assignment and means you must be romantically interested in the "opposite" assignment. Traditionally bigots did not distinguish between gay/trans and gay/trans people existed in the same physical local communities.
I have no opinions about if other countries should adopt US style LGBT terminology, that's up to the people in those countries who are gay etc to decide what terminology they want to use, but that's why it's like that here.
For some personal information, my parents are grandpa retirement age, I am disabled, and my father was still trying to do this type of thing when I finally was able to move out due to government financial support. He was 100% convinced that moving out was a mistake and I was about to ruin my life. He wanted to use my phone to track my location at all times and things like that. I insisted on moving out, did not agree to stuff like location tracking, and eventually he had to admit it worked out okay, but he would have continued trying to exert control until his death if had had the means to do so.
If the older daughter becomes part of some kind of lesbian power couple with successful business/careers, prestigious jobs, etc the parents will probably admit it worked out okay, but right now that seems impossible to them and they are trying reestablish control instead. They also have some valid reasons to question their daughters' choices, despite their own choices in response also being bad. The comic hasn't depicted any of them as 100% right.
Also yeah, if you mean gay people just say that instead of "LGB whatevers" next time, as "gay people" is clearer and no one will be upset about it. Gay and trans aren't the same thing, but in the US the communities have cooperated because both went against the cultural understanding that gender was based on birth assignment and means you must be romantically interested in the "opposite" assignment. Traditionally bigots did not distinguish between gay/trans and gay/trans people existed in the same physical local communities.
I have no opinions about if other countries should adopt US style LGBT terminology, that's up to the people in those countries who are gay etc to decide what terminology they want to use, but that's why it's like that here.
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Because you have ONE exemple of a gay king that was too stupid to have kid for his entire family and country to not fall appart dont mean they where all.
Most king that where gay had kid because they had to, not because they where in love, It's exactly the same reason why all straight king had kid even when they had not attraction for their wife. These people had entire frigging country to manage, of one dont want to have kid he's simply an egoistic idiot.
Most people where not "forced into traumatissing marriages". Marriage today in the west are worst that they ever where in the past. People dont stay married more than 10 year and break up, actualy most people dont even marry anymore.(No in the past people didn't stay together because they where forced and couldn't get divorced. Many country gave the possibility to divorce.)
That's literaly basic biology... Animals only exist for their species to thrive. If someone is too weak minded to accept this it's their issue. You realy should stop with the random bullshit too. Seriously... Someone tell you a scientific fact and you answer this? "but it's bad because there i read one time that one person was told he should die because he could not have kid"
How fragile can you be? At least get some real argument and not some childish emotional things.
If people where realy intelligent most western country would not have a birth rate lower than 2.0... That's literaly the proof people are too stupid to understang something as basic as. "if you dont have enouth kid your culture will disapear"
But yeah you're right people have other desire than to have kid... They have the desire to fuck like wild animals without having kid... Thats totaly what an evolved species that didn't live by their animals instinct would do...
The pron industry is one of the most thriving industry in the world. And people never had as many different sexual partner in their life as people have today. Also the earliest age people have sex would not lower regulary too, nor would the age at witch people start to watch pron.
Reality literaly prove that people only think about sex, so you're just taking you belief for truth. People are not smart enouth to keep their animals instinct in check. That's something you would know if you had any knowledge about science. All studies about humant comporment show that human are not as evolved as people like you try to believe.
Rich people dont have kid. The people who have the lowest birth rate are the richest people. The people who have the hightest birth rate are the poorest.
That's something all people working on demographic everywhere around the world know and say. It's one the first information you learn when you look at different birth rate and why the difference are.
And then you dare to say this...
"you have to give proof when you say something but i dont because i'm smarter than you. lol"
It's always funny to read people like you because you are the living proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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I...literally cannot even believe what I'm reading. You are absolutely delusional. I'd go as far as to say half your "logic" borderline psychotic.
But fine then: be my guest and go fuck a bunch of women so you can have a bunch of kids you'll be unable to properly raise. All for "perpetuating the species" and ensuring culture won't disappear right?
I pity you. How sad must your life be that your ONLY reason to live as a human being is to have a child and nothing more.
And by the way, because you're obviously too ignorant to understand, I haven't given evidence BECAUSE I'M NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING OR MAKING ASSERTIONS. THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU'RE MAKING CLAIMS AND ASSERTIONS WITH NO EVIDENCE.
Forget the Dunning-Kruger effect, which already applies to you. It is abundantly clear that your ignorance knows no bounds.
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