Kyou mo Veranda de - Vol. 5 Ch. 58 - Now, Neighbor-san Is...

[Hikineet]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[Nerevar2]

I really don't think prioritizing work (or any other priority!) over a relationship that hasn't even started yet is toxic, like, at all. That's literally the responsible way to get into a relationship as an adult. If you're two adults with your own fully formed lives then what matters is that you have similar priorities and boundaries vis a vis the sorts of changes and compromises that a relationship entails, that you discuss your priorities and boundaries as you begin your relationship, and that you defer any permanent decisions until you've had those discussions.


This is just a blatant mischaracterization, though. She's not starting a relationship by faking a relationship with someone else. These are two separate things in her life - she's doing a public performance to further her career in a way that is especially common in Japan; and at the same time she's beginning to realize her private romantic feelings for Tokita.

For someone whose career is being in the public view, it is reasonable to understand that their public persona and private self are not the same, and that their participation in a media stunt doesn't reflect whether you can trust them privately or not.

If Tokita can't stomach that or is hurt by her actions, they shouldn't get together but she also doesn't owe him anything yet. If Tokita is fine with the stunt and wants to move forward with Narumi, then they obviously need to have a conversation about their priorities and boundaries, at which point they owe each other respect for those boundaries.

Personally, I don't think I'd have a problem separating their public persona from private life. I think I could trust someone who's in a fake public relationship for their career, so long as our private relationship was open and communicative enough, and so long as we discussed our boundaries as our lives became more entwined. I'm guessing you don't feel that way which is why you're just projecting your own insecurity and possessiveness onto Tokita.


All that makes it all the harder for me to understand how you can post this next. This is exactly the issue - her career is a priority for her, and it's up to Tokita to decide how and whether he's ok with that putting constraints on their relationship.

She's entitled to her priorities, both practically and morally. It's ok for her to prioritize her career. She's not wrong to do so.

It wouldn't reflect badly on Tokita as a person for him to think that the constraints of dating a celebrity aren't for him. Nor for him to decide that he's ok with them. He's entitled to his preference on this, both practically and morally. It's ok for him to decide either way.

None of this makes her inherently untrustworthy. None of this makes her choice "extremely stupid" or makes her deserve some sort of unspecified payback.

1) Exactly. You discuss. Probably i missed the discussion scene? Something akin to "hey, i ended up in this PR mess. So im telling you, it`s all bullshit not in any way real and will go away very soon. How would you like us to handle it, so you would have peace of mind and wont have any lingering resentment towards me?".
2) She is starting a relationship while faking a relationship with someone else. And she denied him an input into the topic. And that brings us back to the point 1. And separating public and private personas is ok, but not in dating. By your logic its totally normal to date active porn star?(exaggeration? maybe. but logic is the same) Then we will never understand each other.
3) Problem is: she already made the descision. Without consulting him first. She put him into position whithout giving him a chance to change her mind, or to offer another way out. How can you trust someone like that? I cant stress this enough: she is not in the position, where it only concerns her, yet she makes a descision unilaterally. And that my dear friend is a horrible move, for which i want her to pay.

 

[aznkane87]

I really don't think prioritizing work (or any other priority!) over a relationship that hasn't even started yet is toxic, like, at all. That's literally the responsible way to get into a relationship as an adult. If you're two adults with your own fully formed lives then what matters is that you have similar priorities and boundaries vis a vis the sorts of changes and compromises that a relationship entails, that you discuss your priorities and boundaries as you begin your relationship, and that you defer any permanent decisions until you've had those discussions.


This is just a blatant mischaracterization, though. She's not starting a relationship by faking a relationship with someone else. These are two separate things in her life - she's doing a public performance to further her career in a way that is especially common in Japan; and at the same time she's beginning to realize her private romantic feelings for Tokita.

For someone whose career is being in the public view, it is reasonable to understand that their public persona and private self are not the same, and that their participation in a media stunt doesn't reflect whether you can trust them privately or not.

If Tokita can't stomach that or is hurt by her actions, they shouldn't get together but she also doesn't owe him anything yet. If Tokita is fine with the stunt and wants to move forward with Narumi, then they obviously need to have a conversation about their priorities and boundaries, at which point they owe each other respect for those boundaries.

Personally, I don't think I'd have a problem separating their public persona from private life. I think I could trust someone who's in a fake public relationship for their career, so long as our private relationship was open and communicative enough, and so long as we discussed our boundaries as our lives became more entwined. I'm guessing you don't feel that way which is why you're just projecting your own insecurity and possessiveness onto Tokita.


All that makes it all the harder for me to understand how you can post this next. This is exactly the issue - her career is a priority for her, and it's up to Tokita to decide how and whether he's ok with that putting constraints on their relationship.

She's entitled to her priorities, both practically and morally. It's ok for her to prioritize her career. She's not wrong to do so.

It wouldn't reflect badly on Tokita as a person for him to think that the constraints of dating a celebrity aren't for him. Nor for him to decide that he's ok with them. He's entitled to his preference on this, both practically and morally. It's ok for him to decide either way.

None of this makes her inherently untrustworthy. None of this makes her choice "extremely stupid" or makes her deserve some sort of unspecified payback.

The characters are not privy to the information that we have as readers. Tokita doesn't know that it's just a stunt unless she tells him and he doesn't know that she likes him or what her interactions with the other actor is like and that she doesn't like him.
If someone who you're not in an actual relationship with and the extent of your current relationship is basically good vibes and that person very publicly announces a relationship with someone else without telling you that it's fake ahead of time, then you have to take that public announcement at face value and reasonably conclude that they're not interested in you and are off the market.
That's not insecurity, that's working with the information given to you.

And if you're a bit heartbroken about a potential relationship that might've become something and there's someone else there available and communicates their interest more clearly, it shouldn't be a surprise that you'd move on.

And that's the crux of the issue, none of this being communicated. There is absolutely no reality in which expecting someone to just trust that a relationship you publicly announced without telling them it's fake is fake is reasonable. None of what you say applies when nothing is being communicated. And Narumi should absolutely have a surprised Pikachu face if Tokita decides to distance himself from her when she's in another relationship to his knowledge.

 

[Daktyl]

when was this?!

Remember when he was at his job doing a story on her and was sorting through the photos? There was a photoshoot of her nude in a sauna with her male actor coworker (the photos shown had her covered with a towel in the traditional Japanese way). The MC freaked out and said they can't use those photos for his work because it wouldn't be gracious to her.

 

[Kushikime]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[phorx]

They have already exchanged videos with each other, there won't be any major dramas of misunderstandings
but if it does, we are close to the end (90) and problems usually lead to conclusions at this point

If that was the case he wouldn’t be freaking out like this for several days on end

 

[aznkane87]

Remember when he was at his job doing a story on her and was sorting through the photos? There was a photoshoot of her nude in a sauna with her male actor coworker (the photos shown had her covered with a towel in the traditional Japanese way). The MC freaked out and said they can't use those photos for his work because it wouldn't be gracious to her.

I found it. It's in ch. 17:



Wow, it was so early on that I glossed over how risqué it actually was or noticed that the other actor was in the photo with her.

It actually makes it worse as there's already stuff Tokita saw that makes it look like she could be in a relationship with this guy and make an announcement that she is believable.

I suspect there are those who would argue that Tokita should know that's just media and in this chapter it looks like that's how he's rationalizing it but they also haven't made it an official announcement yet and can still be thought of as just rumors. It would beggar belief if he doesn't think the relationship is real when it gets announced officially. The thing is, the things she's shown in publicly may be fake but, at the same time, they are the only things Tokita can see of that part of her life, as an actress.

If Narumi made this decision based off that old actresses' words that she'll be fine as long as she has someone who will be there for her no matter what, this was the dumbest misunderstanding of that. They don't have anywhere near that kind of relationship yet where Tokita can be expected to be that kind of bedrock. Of course, they're going to end up together in the end but if they just play it like Tokita just somehow understands it's fake then that would just be stupid.

 

[Daktyl]

I found it. It's in ch. 17:



Wow, it was so early on that I glossed over how risqué it actually was or noticed that the other actor was in the photo with her.

It actually makes it worse as there's already stuff Tokita saw that makes it look like she could be in a relationship with this guy and make an announcement that she is believable.

I suspect there are those who would argue that Tokita should know that's just media and in this chapter it looks like that's how he's rationalizing it but they also haven't made it an official announcement yet and can still be thought of as just rumors. It would beggar belief if he doesn't think the relationship is real when it gets announced officially. The thing is, the things she's shown in publicly may be fake but, at the same time, they are the only things Tokita can see of that part of her life, as an actress.

If Narumi made this decision based off that old actresses' words that she'll be fine as long as she has someone who will be there for her no matter what, this was the dumbest misunderstanding of that. They don't have anywhere near that kind of relationship yet where Tokita can be expected to be that kind of bedrock. Of course, they're going to end up together in the end but if they just play it like Tokita just somehow understands it's fake then that would just be stupid.

I keep getting the "dumb" reaction but you get it lol. Everything you just said is correct.

 

[Doutorfunga]

This chapter immediately made me support Miyoshi and oppose Narumi. It really is that simple. Actress obviously prioritizes other things in life, all good. Actor is legit attracted to her as she is to him. The better ending to this for Tokita is to leave this girl clearly behind or, worse case scenario ,as friends.

 

[Trayylolz]

We need 59 ASAP!

 

[53p]

We need 59 ASAP!

soon

 

[stonycat007]

 

[I_love_Spring]

Meanwhile Shun's mom believes he's with the manager ^^'

 

[Aether08]

Didn't expect her to agree to that weird thing, definitely shows her side as a woman of easy virtue

: D

 

[Aether08]

Need chap 59