Lady Rose wa Heimin ni Naritai - Vol. 2 Ch. 9

[Kurokaze]

this manga hits too close to home. . .

wait shit-- depression here I come!

but really, this chapter hits too close to home, as a younger sibling that is constantly being compared to all sorts of people including my brother, you'd develop inferiority complex with a side of self-deprication so it'll bubble up into depression if you let it simmer for a good decade or so, at least it took me a decade to finally break and finally seek help from a specialist, psychiatrists goes a long way of a treatment and there's no guarantees it'll work too.

that said I still hate myself, but good thing I realize that already and that helps me sorta cope and deal with current life atm.

being compared to people is a horrible thing for me (and the MC), for some people it makes them work even harder but I just don't work the same way as them.

right, wall of text over, just sharing my personal experiences as I truly felt this one chapter.

 

[botodopo]

weird that they set this up as some horrible thing right after her little brother in the new world who has the same problem (arguably worse) gets cured with bread as comic relief. unless they were implying some kind of serious abuse by the brother, beyond an inferiority complex and bad parents.

 

[friendly]

...Oooohhhhhh boy that got dark.

But I do like how the concept seems to be her problems in THIS life and in her Old life kind of overlapping.... that feels new to me.

 

[Petnavis]

@DarkieM I don't think so. My takeaway is that the brother is actually innocent in all of this, or mostly innocent. It was her parents and other adults which forced her to be in some support role for her brother and the brother was oblivious of this the entire time. There isn't a single image in this chapter which shows her brother being abusive. What basically happened is that her parents went "You're poisonous to your brother, disappear," so whenever the brother wanted to spend time with her she'd freak out in some way or form and when the parents found out she probably got punished for it. So the end result is that when they're both results, the innocent brother who wanted to talk with his sister he met by chance in public, caused a panic attack in her and it resulted in her death.

 

[teddyhunter]

i've been wondering if the redacted words were intentional by the mangaka or if it was redacted by the scanlation team.... if it was by the scanlation team, they kinda suck because us, the reader, kind of lost a chunk of the reason why the MC was afraid of her brother :/ cuz i REALLY dont wanna think that the MC was sexually assaulted by her own brother.........

 

[thoughtsmachine]

The amount of people who can't read between the lines or keep denying the truth is astounding. It's very clearly implied that her brother had committed sexual violence, or at least physical violence, towards her. Not once, but multiple times. Here's why:

- He was very controlling of her. He knew everything she liked and she practically had no freedom. This is a big trait of an abuser, as they want monitor and lock the victim in place.

- He went into her house without her permission when she was alone. He held up the key which indicates that she didn't give it to him, and he just invaded her privacy like that even though she'd specifically moved out to avoid him. The fact that she was alone and the broken cup suggest that some kind of violence had occurred. Also, an emotional abuser would just lure her out of her house (through the manipulation tactics they're known for) instead of forcefully breaking into it like that. What did you think he would do? Say some mean shits about her then leave??

- Her reaction, when the brother broke into her house and when she met him the last time, was that of a prey seeing a predator. She was so scared she fucking bolted, leaving her jacket behind and didn't even know she was heading towards traffic. Did you really think just being compared to her brother would cause so much trauma that her fight-or-flight instinct kicked in immediately when she saw him? No, this is an intelligent predator who knew what he was doing.

- Whether you want to admit it or not, the statistic of sexual violence against women is higher than you think, cuz much of it is unreported. It's possible that her brother only physically abused her, but it's less likely and we shouldn't deny this more probable scenario that he really did sexually assaulted her.

 

[sweetlyincensed]

@thoughtsmachine It looks more like mental & emotional abuse to me. The brother didn’t violently break in, he used a key.

The shattered cup is between them and in front of Fi’s feet. She’s standing still when the cup falls and there’s still a good amount of distance between them. So I think Fi dropped the cup because she was so surprised to see her brother.

Physical harm is. It the only way to turn someone into an obedient servant. All of Fi’s words are about being controlled and following orders. I think if she was being painted as a victim of physical abuse, her language would be a different.

Either way, I believe the author is intentionally ambiguous so that people can interpret the story however they like. Maybe more will be revealed later or maybe it’ll be left this way so that the situation remains as relatable as possible.

 

[sweetlyincensed]

Now I have a better understanding of why she wants to run away. It makes sense. But I still don’t think it’s the right answer. Because she’s not just changing her environment, she’s denying her own abilities and running from her own potential. I would like to see her use what she’s been given the way she wants to use it instead of running away from it. I’m glad she realized that she needs a new dream besides living as a commoner.

 

[Darkmeep]

Mental illness?

 

[thoughtsmachine]

@sweetlyincensed

It looks more like mental & emotional abuse to me. The brother didn’t violently break in, he used a key.

So you're saying that a sexual predator can't use a key? What?? I can tell you right now that they can use keys like any normal person, furthermore violently breaking in would only draws the neighbors' attention to him, which would be inconvenient for him if he planned to rape/beat her. If anything, that detail solidifies the theory of physical/sexual abuse.

It the only way to turn someone into an obedient servant. All of Fi’s words are about being controlled and following orders. I think if she was being painted as a victim of physical abuse, her language would be a different.

I think you need to read more stories from victims of abused. All kinds of abuse are about power, and victims are being controlled so they can't escape/report the abuse. This sentence doesn't imply that it's not physical/sexual abuse, and doesn't help narrowing it down at all.

So I think Fi dropped the cup because she was so surprised to see her brother.

Again, doesn't help to narrow anything down. Broken stuff is usually a sign of a struggle. It would be a pretty unnecessary detail if it's only used to illustrate how surprised she is, because you can clearly see that from her facial expression and the fact that your house being broken in is obviously a surprise.

It's not impossible that it's just emotional abuse and nothing more, but the evidences clearly suggest that physical/sexual abuse is way more likely. Your argument adds to it but still isn't very convincing.

 

[sweetlyincensed]

@thoughtsmachine

I didn’t say it couldn’t be physical or sexual abuse. I very clearly said that it’s ambiguous.

You erroneously said that the brother violently broke in and that an emotional abuser wouldn’t do that. I merely said that he did not violently break in. He used the key. You assumed there was a violent break in because that fits the narrative you want to believe. It’s fine that you want to believe there was physical abuse. But there was no violent break in so that should not be used to justify your position.

A broken item is not automatically a sign of struggle. People drop things all the time. She is clearly shocked enough to drop something. We don’t see him reach out towards her. We don’t see the distance being closed between them. We don’t see her change position or back away. We don’t see her feet/legs shift, which would be necessary if she were moving/resisting. All we see is her standing still, a reasonable distance from her brother with a broken item at her feet.

Her language is not focused on being hurt, abused or broken its focused on being controlled. Again, at face value that is emotional/mental abuse. Could it be physical abuse? Yes. But there is nothing about it that screams physical over emotional/mental. There are no trigger words to suggest it is physical.

You keep saying that I am not narrowing it down but you aren’t either. And narrowing it down isn’t my goal. I’m only talking about what is actually in the story. You are filling in blank spaces with things that are not shown or said. That’s an acceptable interpretation but other interpretations are also acceptable. Sometimes there actually isn’t anything between the lines. Somethings things are exactly as they appear to be at first sight. You’re looking at this like your interpretation is the default view but it’s not. This chapter does not provide a clear cut description of the situation.

I’m not trying to convince anyone. I clearly said that I think it’s intentionally ambiguous so that a clear conclusion can’t be drawn (yet). I just commented on what it looks like to me. You are the one who is trying to convince others because you think that people who view it differently than you do “can’t read between the lines” and are “denying the truth.”

 

[Fetomon]

@thoughtsmachine
You are trying way too much to say it was sexual abuse , you have issues little cuck
A broken glass or using a key to open a door doesn't mean sexual abuse LMFAO
It is left ambiguous , this manga is trash anyways and im not reading any more

 

[thoughtsmachine]

@sweetlyincensed

You assumed there was a violent break in because that fits the narrative you want to believe.

I said "forcefully", as in he broke in/went into her house without permission, not as using physical violence on the door.

Her language is not focused on being hurt, abused or broken its focused on being controlled.

Her language is one thing, but what about her actions? Her facial expressions? No matter how controlling a person is, once you got out of their control, then it's the end of that. The way she was so fearful of him that she ran to on-coming traffic says hurt and nothing else, severely hurt. This is PTSD, this is someone who's so scared of being hurt again that she doesn't know anything anymore.

And like I said, I don't deny your narrative, but your rebuttal is flimsy and the evidences you use don't prove me wrong at all, so it becomes pretty pointless. All evidences don't "automatically" mean this or that, but if you have watched lots of films and read lots of books, you come to recognize the tropes/cliches and commonly used metaphors/imagery, and understand what they're most likely represent. I don't think a less likely scenario should be favored over a more likely one.

@Fetomon I said physical abuse too. Interesting how you only focus on sexual parts 🤨

 

[sweetlyincensed]

@thoughtsmachine Your evidence doesn't prove me wrong either. All the things that you mention also point to mental/emotional abuse. There is plenty of media that depicts severe harm caused by non-physical abuse from parents, partners or bullies. There are plenty of studies on how impactful it can be. This type of abuse can in fact be traumatizing enough for a victim to frantically, blindly run away at the sight of the abuser. The effects of emotional/mental abuse don't suddenly disappear when you are no longer in relationship with the abuser. And it's even worse for child victims like Fi, because their underdeveloped brains can actually form differently because of abuse. There's just not a way to definitively prove that it is one or the other until the author reveals more information.

 

[Whooooooo]

So like, Tuyu's song "Compared Child" but if the girl in the video wasn't able to sing her sadness away.

 

[LullabiesLullabyes]

shiitttttt this is so depressing
y'know i've always thought that being reincarnated with your memories would be a good thing, your knowledge and experience gets carried over, you get hailed as a genius yada yada
but really, being reincarnated with memories can be more of a nuisance. if you had any past trauma, or trauma from your prior death, it gets carried right over.

 

[PaperSun]

I wonder what her brother did... There has to be more to it than just comparisons, because she's too angry and terrified of him. You don't run into traffic because your brother got better grades and people complimented him more, that is likely to cause low self-esteem and resentment yes, but that all consuming fear? I doubt it. You see peeks of it with how he held up the key, clearly she didn't give that to him, and he didn't care about how obviously scared she was. Hm....

 

[Touje]

Hmm anyone able to decipher the blacked out text?

 

[Qelix]

I agree with @thoughtsmachine. The abuse is hinted very strongly. Her fearful/shocked expression, when he entered her apartment/room with that ominous spare key, leave no doubt that that happened without her consent. And that panicked look, then she bailed. It's rather simple to come up with the seemingly most obvious chain of events. He was the older, brighter shining sibling and she wasn't on par with him and became more and more gloomy, while he overshadowed her. I'm a single child, but I hear its a rather common thing to happen. Maybe he grew a liking to it. Naturally everyone would believe the capable older sibling in such a setting, if one would be lying. Then maybe he developed a sister complex in puberty. He might have grown sexuell interest in the other gender, and his sister was available and an easy prey. Too shy to speak up. Nobody would believe her anyway. The shame is too big. And when she turned old enough she fled. It fits nicely.

 

[LordoftheKeep]

if only she were a little faster...she would have avoided that truck