Mahou Shoujo × Haiboku Saiban - Vol. 3 Ch. 13 - Case 05 Tatemaki Lemon Part 1

[Drakeon995]

what's a serious debate. But imagine, what if Lemon was an masochist all along

 

[Bohrain]

I WOULD LIKE TO CROSS EXAMINE THE PARROT

 

[epicfail48]

I'm afraid that Lemon's character have been heavily misinterpreted.
She is not a sadistic villain that enjoy to see the magical girls suffer. She only do her job.
So being the one that know better than anyone else what happen when a magical girl is defeated, is not so strange that she decided to take action and save her.

She doesnt need to be a sadistic bastard to be a horrific person

 

[nisashi13]

if she got defeated then she probably attempt to save that other magical girl then.

 

[MidnighTea]

Imagining "Magical girl von Karma" has me already shitting myself

 

[UdenEmpati]

I'm afraid that Lemon's character have been heavily misinterpreted.
She is not a sadistic villain that enjoy to see the magical girls suffer. She only do her job.

So being the one that know better than anyone else what happen when a magical girl is defeated

is not so strange that she decided to take action and save her.

She knows what happens when Magical Girls are defeated because she's almost directly responsible for them facing the debilitating, humiliating, and overall life-ruining punishments that they are sentenced to once she finishes prosecuting them.

She might not be literally sadistic, but she's a purposeful supporter in a system that forces MGs to be impregnated by monsters; made to orgasm until they (apparently) can never not be constantly aroused again to the point of needing special clothing and supplies to try and not let it be a known-thing whenever they're outside; and that's just off the top of my head that I remember.

The system itself might be the actual "villain" of the story, but Lemon is a willing participant in its operation, and she 100% deserves to face judgment and consequences for her part - whatever may have transpired that has concluded in her being "Defeated and facing Trial".

The soldiers who claimed they were "just following orders" didn't get a pass in the Nuremberg Trials. Lemon's not a hapless cog in the machine or a victim, here, either.

 

[The_H_Guy]

She knows what happens when Magical Girls are defeated because she's almost directly responsible for them facing the debilitating, humiliating, and overall life-ruining punishments that they are sentenced to once she finishes prosecuting them.

She might not be literally sadistic, but she's a purposeful supporter in a system that forces MGs to be impregnated by monsters; made to orgasm until they (apparently) can never not be constantly aroused again to the point of needing special clothing and supplies to try and not let it be a known-thing whenever they're outside; and that's just off the top of my head that I remember.

The system itself might be the actual "villain" of the story, but Lemon is a willing participant in its operation, and she 100% deserves to face judgment and consequences for her part - whatever may have transpired that has concluded in her being "Defeated and facing Trial".

The soldiers who claimed they were "just following orders" didn't get a pass in the Nuremberg Trials. Lemon's not a hapless cog in the machine or a victim, here, either.

Misago and the judge are equally responsible and part of the system.
Is the whole idea that "defeat is an unforgivable crime" that is the root of the problem. Make a law that is retarded, and you will have judges making retarded judgements.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Misago and the judge are equally responsible and part of the system.
Is the whole idea that "defeat is an unforgivable crime" that is the root of the problem. Make a law that is retarded, and you will have judges making retarded judgements.

If you were trying to refute what I said, you didn't, but, okay.

 

[KuroZer0]

Why do people want to be magical girls in the first place when the punishments for losing a fight are common knowledge?

 

[The_H_Guy]

Why do people want to be magical girls in the first place when the punishments for losing a fight are common knowledge?

Overconfidence?
Deep sense of justice?
The fact that the conditions are so specific that they can simply undo their transformation, or not intervene if the opponent look too strong?
Make us fap.

 

[ZeroBADartS]

DAMN!
...
I wanted to see her get taken to pound town...

 

[epicfail48]

Why do people want to be magical girls in the first place when the punishments for losing a fight are common knowledge?

Sure does seem like they ring have much of a choice in the matter. Id have to go back and reread but I don't remember TS spiderman being a willing participant

 

[name_go_here]

I wouldn't be surprised if Lemon didn't try to intervene at all, but because she was transformed at the time and in the immediate vicinity she got charged with a defeat from the bullshit rotten banana logic going on.

 

[MTFish90]

her punishment was arguably the second lightest from what we've seen and she is still completely justified in lashing out at tatemaki for delivering it to her, especially given that the all the others with worse sentances would not be physically capable of arguing back after going through their sentances.

(punishments in order of when we see them for context)
petrification (duration: infinite, leaves the victim fully concious leading to a fate worse than death)
forced pregnancy (duration: 9 months)
milking (duration: likely weeks to months, leaves the victim unable to speak and walk afterwards and increases breast size)
continous monster rape (duration: life sentance, held in a small cage underground trapped with a monster until death)
continous climax (duration: 25h, permanently damages the uterus causing it to constantly discharge vaginal fluid)

 

[Whoareyou_vl]

Poor wolf girl

 

[NinjaGoemon]

Why do people want to be magical girls in the first place when the punishments for losing a fight are common knowledge?

We've seen several reasons so far: wanting to protect someone in an emergency and not knowing the consequences, financial incentives in this chapter, or the expectation that they're required to never quit.

her punishment was arguably the second lightest from what we've seen and she is still completely justified in lashing out at tatemaki for delivering it to her, especially given that the all the others with worse sentances would not be physically capable of arguing back after going through their sentances.

(punishments in order of when we see them for context)
petrification (duration: infinite, leaves the victim fully concious leading to a fate worse than death)
forced pregnancy (duration: 9 months)
milking (duration: likely weeks to months, leaves the victim unable to speak and walk afterwards and increases breast size)
continous monster rape (duration: life sentance, held in a small cage underground trapped with a monster until death)
continous climax (duration: 25h, permanently damages the uterus causing it to constantly discharge vaginal fluid)

And all of them revolve around a lack of bodily autonomy too. Pregnancy is even a "light" sentence but (in all likelyhood) requires rape and forced carry to term. Same lack of autonomy that goes on irl when abortion bans force women to carry unwanted pregnancy to term.

From my point of view, it feels as though the system doesn't believe a magical girl's body is their own. That their transformation is a "loan" and "damages" require punishment. It would explain why they only care when transformation is on. If it becomes damaged goods, why not just let them be even more damaged to scare everyone else?

It's genuinely horrendous and not justice. The fact that Lemon believes it really is justice is part of her problem.

 

[KuroZer0]

We've seen several reasons so far: wanting to protect someone in an emergency and not knowing the consequences, financial incentives in this chapter, or the expectation that they're required to never quit.

And all of them revolve around a lack of bodily autonomy too. Pregnancy is even a "light" sentence but (in all likelyhood) requires rape and forced carry to term. Same lack of autonomy that goes on irl when abortion bans force women to carry unwanted pregnancy to term.

From my point of view, it feels as though the system doesn't believe a magical girl's body is their own. That their transformation is a "loan" and "damages" require punishment. It would explain why they only care when transformation is on. If it becomes damaged goods, why not just let them be even more damaged to scare everyone else?

It's genuinely horrendous and not justice. The fact that Lemon believes it really is justice is part of her problem.

Well damn. That’s an interesting view point.

 

[runedKnight]

We've seen several reasons so far: wanting to protect someone in an emergency and not knowing the consequences, financial incentives in this chapter, or the expectation that they're required to never quit.

And all of them revolve around a lack of bodily autonomy too. Pregnancy is even a "light" sentence but (in all likelyhood) requires rape and forced carry to term. Same lack of autonomy that goes on irl when abortion bans force women to carry unwanted pregnancy to term.

From my point of view, it feels as though the system doesn't believe a magical girl's body is their own. That their transformation is a "loan" and "damages" require punishment. It would explain why they only care when transformation is on. If it becomes damaged goods, why not just let them be even more damaged to scare everyone else?

It's genuinely horrendous and not justice. The fact that Lemon believes it really is justice is part of her problem.

It's not quite clear cut here as to why the punishments are what they are (in the settings logic). The law states that Defeat is a crime that must be punished. The court session is called in most cases to decide on the severity of the punishment since a guilty verdict is almost always certain.

Tatemaki presents her case and argues for this severity and prepares a punishment that is reciprocal to the humiliation the court believes was inflicted on Magical Girls as a whole.

It's Tatemaki that decides on the punishments and these punishments must be humiliating. Most of the punishments carry some sort of cruel irony relating to the accused:

• The energetic and physically gifted MG is forced to remain still for all eternity as a statue
• Aoi after becoming a girl is forced to go through the most difficult natural process a woman can experience in her life
• Miko's punishment is based on her physical traits and her own insecurities
• Yahiro's punishment is a disturbing corruption of her desire for familial happiness

With this in mind we can assume that Tatemaki's punishment will also carry some cruel sense of irony with it. The punishments so far all leave a great emotional toll and life altering effects; it is by definition cruel and unusual punishment.

I'm really curious what the twist is then, Aoi asked but Yuuri was hesitant to answer. We may get an answer in the next chapter or two.

 

[monkey123]

Cunny doing reverse correction? 💢💢💢😭😭😭

 

[monkey123]

which is stupid, you need to kill that fairy bitch and those creep ass fucks in the peanut gallery.

Let the hate flow through you!