Mahou wa Isekai ni Oite Kimashita. ~ Tensai Madoushi Datta Imouto no Yowakute New Game ~ - Ch. 1 - It’s Kinda Like Magic

[Chaos47]

What!?! I want to dissect this a little.


There is a lot of implicit assumptions here. You are assuming:
1. That safety didn’t exist in her other world.
2. That the care provided by her original world is superior to the ones in the magical one.
3. That fighting for her life isn’t something she enjoys.
4. WTF is that last sentence. I’ll talk on that.

A. I think that assuming the fantasy world wasn’t peaceful is entirely misreading the story. “…she graduated from a magic academy and saved the world along side the hero.”
She didn’t just grow up there, she earned FAME, GLORY, and RECOGNITION. Especially as a scholar, this stuff is pretty important for one’s career. Being torn from it to be treated like a child again is borderline cruel.

B. Considering that most people believe her to be insane and allowed her to become NEET, the only person I really consider to properly care for her is the brother. Everyone else just isolates her until she complies. The fantasy word has her actually close friends/new family who do understand what is happening.

C. Considering that she fought in an Hero’s party and enjoys JRPGs, she must love magic and especially fighting magic. Being sent to Earth is the death of her primary passion.

D. I’ll make this blunt: that statement is not borne out of any understanding of the subject at hand, but out of pure and unadulterated ignorance.

You assume the people that had to do that are a monolith, that survival is the optimal outcome to strive for and they have NO desires to return. Well guess what? Many of them fail to cope with the changes. They turn to drinking and gambling to cope with these changes, and many of them frequently want to return to the land they were forced from. Just because SOME moved on, doesn’t mean ALL of them want that. And declaring that still being depressed 6 months after having 2 lives destroyed is “bratty”? Talk about being callus!
In addition, you mistake “abandonment” for “kidnapping.” She didn’t walk away because things became too tough. She was stolen from a place where she had friends, an accomplished career, and a bright future. Anything you can promise, she had already earned! Now she was ripped away and dropped in a world where most people think she’s delusional. Excuse me for thinking that most people would experience extreme difficulty in coping.

All in all, the mistake you’re making is failing to see the trees through the forest. Sure she was BORN on Earth in Japan, but her HOME is Gran Cadia. Simply going “ everyone else is NORMAL, why can’t SHE be NORMAL too?” is just being entitled.

She's not a fish out of water, she's simply a fish that refuses to swim because the current is not flowing her way.

The other world was never hers, and it's not too late for her to find success in the real world. Certainly, giving up and playing games all day is definitely NOT the way to go about things, but the fact is she is only acting like this because those around her are enabling such behavior. She really needs to grow up and move on. Those around her need to help her face reality. She'll get no sympathy from me. Not for that kind of bratty behavior, and I don't condone enabling a person to become a hikikomori.

 

[Lord_Daret]

She's not a fish out of water, she's simply a fish that refuses to swim because the current is not flowing her way.

The other world was never hers, and it's not too late for her to find success in the real world. Certainly, giving up and playing games all day is definitely NOT the way to go about things, but the fact is she is only acting like this because those around her are enabling such behavior. She really needs to grow up and move on. Those around her need to help her face reality. She'll get no sympathy from me. Not for that kind of bratty behavior, and I don't condone enabling a person to become a hikikomori.

Why? Why was that world never hers? You keeps say how she MUST become something for Earth, but why? What does she owe the people of Japan?

 

[Chaos47]

Why? Why was that world never hers? You keeps say how she MUST become something for Earth, but why? What does she owe the people of Japan?

She doesn't have to become anything, or do anything either for the people of that world or the people of earth or Japan or whatever. It's not about that, because it's not within her power to chose a world or the other. Those are, at the end of the day, just places. This is a story about the powerlessness of a teenager when faced with a situation she can not change. It's tragic, but it's not the end of the world either. She is simply back to where she started. She may have lost whatever magic powers and prestige she had, but things like that happen all the time in our world too. A kid whose parents force him to change schools. A kid whose parents suddenly lose their money and status and are forced to live in conditions they are not used to. A kid who becomes an orphan and has to either learn to live on his own or depend on relatives or strangers to survive.

All I'm saying is that the character in this story is a kid throwing a tantrum, giving up on her current world because she can't accept the fact the other world is gone. The fact is she IS NOT a fish out of water. She knows the language, she is not entirely lost to the culture's customs, and above everything else, SHE LIVES WITH A FAMILY THAT IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO KEEP HER FED, CLOTHED, AND SHELTERED without the need for her to do anything other than play games and sulk.

Not a fish out of water, simply a fish that refuses to swim against the current while lost in dreams of other calmer ponds.

 

[Lord_Daret]

She doesn't have to become anything, or do anything either for the people of that world or the people of earth or Japan or whatever.

In other words, she is already perfect? Then why are you calling it a tantrum when you clearly call it success?

She is simply back to where she started.

No she isn’t! It’s been 10 years! She never went to Primary or Secondary school, doesn’t have any meaningful social connections except with her brother, and has the social stigma of being a lunatic. This stuff isn’t easy to shake off.

She may have lost whatever magic powers and prestige she had, but things like that happen all the time in our world too.

And guess what? Many of these people fail to cope with that change. Simply going “but this person did” won’t change the reality that such changes often kills those people, or makes them start killing others. Using your fish analogy, it’s not moving between calm waters but moving between water of two different temperatures. That KILLS fish.

This is a story about the powerlessness of a teenager when faced with a situation she can not change.

No, it’s about an immigrant who is habitually kidnapped. That shit does horrible to the mind.

…and above everything else, SHE LIVES WITH A FAMILY THAT IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO KEEP HER FED, CLOTHED, AND SHELTERED without the need for her to do anything other than play games and sulk.

But here is something you probably have never been told: that isn’t enough to be considered cared for, surviving, or even being family. Simply being treated like a potted plant is how people get isolated to death and is what we call “negligence”. These people aren’t her “family”, they’re her blood relations. Arguably her captors.

I pray to god you aren’t in the social services Industry. You would leave dead bodies in your wake and call it a victory.

 

[Chaos47]

In other words, she is already perfect? Then why are you calling it a tantrum when you clearly call it success?


No she isn’t! It’s been 10 years! She never went to Primary or Secondary school, doesn’t have any meaningful social connections except with her brother, and has the social stigma of being a lunatic. This stuff isn’t easy to shake off.


And guess what? Many of these people fail to cope with that change. Simply going “but this person did” won’t change the reality that such changes often kills those people, or makes them start killing others. Using your fish analogy, it’s not moving between calm waters but moving between water of two different temperatures. That KILLS fish.


No, it’s about an immigrant who is habitually kidnapped. That shit does horrible to the mind.


But here is something you probably have never been told: that isn’t enough to be considered cared for, surviving, or even being family. Simply being treated like a potted plant is how people get isolated to death and is what we call “negligence”. These people aren’t her “family”, they’re her blood relations. Arguably her captors.

I pray to god you aren’t in the social services Industry. You would leave dead bodies in your wake and call it a victory.

She doesn't have to do anything for anyone OTHER than for herself. Hell, she can be a reclusive hikikomori, as long as she earns that herself. All I'm saying is she is doing nothing for herself, and other than keeping her alive, her family is doing nothing for her either. She is not doing anything, she is letting the world sort of carry her along. Where is the heroine that saved an entire world? Where was her character growth? Was she ONLY magical power and nothing more? No sense of maturity in spite of living on her own for 10 whole years? I can't feel sympathy for a character that is just sitting there taking it. If she was trying her best and still failing, that'd be something, but sitting at home playing video games without even getting a part time job or something to help herself a bit? How privileged of her to be able to sit at home playing video games all day without the worry for food, shelter or having to earn a living. Yep, I feel SO SORRY for her.

But I guess if she was okay from the get go, we wouldn't have much of a story, given her brother's purpose is to get her out of this mental rut, encouraging her to get out and experience the current world...which is what she should do? I guess he too feels that her wasting away playing video games all day is the wrong path to take?

Speaking of social services, does Japan have any sort of system that would help out a child (in this case, a teenager) that disappears for over a decade and suddenly returns out of nowhere? Is there no help at all from them? Or is this one of those "family issues are solved by the family?" I wouldn't be surprised if there are no such services, but that's not really relevant to this current story I guess.

 

[loonacrunch]

Lets gooooo a new one from this author

 

[Armorpiercer]

What? No. It's been 10 years, it's not like she is from the 1950's or something...hell, if she was from the 90's like Isekai Ojii-san, then I'd be more willing to believe it, but she is from this millennium, technology and social practices have not changed in such a drastic way that you'd get easily lost. Also, she spends her entire time playing games that require reading comprehension. There has been nothing to suggest she can't communicate correctly with the people around her.

I can't blame the other dude for arguing with you, if this board can form a pyramid with replies, I'd imagine you two built Pyramid of Giza already


do you know what 10 year means?

as an exaggeration, 10 years from 2002 to 2012,

• we jumped from 'mostly Nokia 3310' to the release of iPhone
• home PC's CPU in 2002 is still sub-Ghz single core with mostly 256Mb of RAM, in 2012 it's mostly dual core running at 3Ghz with 2 or 4 GB or RAM
• in North America, two generation of Honda Accord has been released
• 2002 was a released year of BF1942, 2012 is BF3's
• most television sold in 2012 is 32-40in instead or some 20 inch CRT

in 10 years, EVERYTHING changed,

and do you know what being 5 years means? I'm still chewing TV's remote control at that age, not even in kindergarten school, do you think a child this young could comprehend anything? what'd you expect? her whole life was basically built in the other world, it's wonder that she didn't forget how to speak Japanese

 

[Chaos47]

I can't blame the other dude for arguing with you, if this board can form a pyramid with replies, I'd imagine you two built Pyramid of Giza already


do you know what 10 year means?

as an exaggeration, 10 years from 2002 to 2012,

• we jumped from 'mostly Nokia 3310' to the release of iPhone
• home PC's CPU in 2002 is still sub-Ghz single core with mostly 256Mb of RAM, in 2012 it's mostly dual core running at 3Ghz with 2 or 4 GB or RAM
• in North America, two generation of Honda Accord has been released
• 2002 was a released year of BF1942, 2012 is BF3's
• most television sold in 2012 is 32-40in instead or some 20 inch CRT

in 10 years, EVERYTHING changed,

and do you know what being 5 years means? I'm still chewing TV's remote control at that age, not even in

I can't blame the other dude for arguing with you, if this board can form a pyramid with replies, I'd imagine you two built Pyramid of Giza already


do you know what 10 year means?

as an exaggeration, 10 years from 2002 to 2012,

• we jumped from 'mostly Nokia 3310' to the release of iPhone
• home PC's CPU in 2002 is still sub-Ghz single core with mostly 256Mb of RAM, in 2012 it's mostly dual core running at 3Ghz with 2 or 4 GB or RAM
• in North America, two generation of Honda Accord has been released
• 2002 was a released year of BF1942, 2012 is BF3's
• most television sold in 2012 is 32-40in instead or some 20 inch CRT

in 10 years, EVERYTHING changed,

and do you know what being 5 years means? I'm still chewing TV's remote control at that age, not even in kindergarten school, do you think a child this young could comprehend anything? what'd you expect? her whole life was basically built in the other world, it's wonder that she didn't forget how to speak Japanese

Meh, the author chose to write her like this, so there's not much we can do. You think it's believable, I don't, I think it's crap writing, and you're giving children way too little credit. At the end of the day a character is as strong, smart, or mature as the author writes them.
And as for her becoming a hikikomori, you don't even need the other world or magic aspects of the story for someone to end up like that...doesn't mean I sympathize with that type of character regardless of the circumstances.

 

[Wizardrone]

how nice! certainly different from isekai ojisan I wonder what would happen next

thanks for chapter!

 

[ankiwi]

Lol how do they not believe her with that hair color and her pupils being that shape now. Not even explaining how she reappeared.

 

[Bug_moon]

Nah, go read something else.

This one is for us cultured people. You have 20 others that are similar to have instead.

Ain't no way you're tryna say this SHOULD have romance between a 15(?) year old girl and her older brother, who by all things shown IN THE CHAPTER, DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ANY romantic feelings towards her in the first place, as he shouldn't, by the way.

Say what you will but it doesn't change that incest is fucked up and weird, making it a comic doesn't make it less weird, ESPECIALLY when it involves two CLEARLY different age groups.

You do realize the brother has a job, and a license, right? That would mean that in Japan he's at LEAST a few years above the age of consent, and if is sister is 15(I'm going by what other commenters here have said for her age) then she's below it

 

[Bobdillan69]

Ain't no way you're tryna say this SHOULD have romance between a 15(?) year old girl and her older brother, who by all things shown IN THE CHAPTER, DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ANY romantic feelings towards her in the first place, as he shouldn't, by the way.

Say what you will but it doesn't change that incest is fucked up and weird, making it a comic doesn't make it less weird, ESPECIALLY when it involves two CLEARLY different age groups.

You do realize the brother has a job, and a license, right? That would mean that in Japan he's at LEAST a few years above the age of consent, and if is sister is 15(I'm going by what other commenters here have said for her age) then she's below it

Fun fact: that isn't a fact. Incest being a taboo is true, but it being fucked up and weird is not.

It's just societal conditioning (hence it's still a taboo). As long as it ain't rapey or anything else clearly immoral, incest is not immoral. (well certain types that is).

And the "but muh DNA damage" is a myth. the % chance is basically non-existent, unless some weird massively inbreeding has been going on. (up down, left right for multiple generations). if it's just normal across, meh.

You simply have that belief because you were conditioned to. I'd explain more, but that's all that's needed and this is getting long enough, but short version: there's not strong fundamental reason besides it's just the way society is now.


As for AOC... well that'd depend where you were born and raised too. Although in japan it's now 16 not 14 anymore, but i guess they haven't culturally caught up with their fiction writing.

Fun Fact tho: It's not real... do you get mad when your characters do other illegal things? no... so meh. This ain't a hentai who cares. Just pretend the drawing is 16 or 18 if you need to. I honestly didn't even take note so that's news to me.

Funny that you have to argue this more than the other almomst like it's a societal conditioning that you don't understand because it was never explained because those that engrained it into you also didn't, and neither did those to them. etc.

Kind like how it's acceptable to pay 20-30% tax yet the boston tea party was done over a .5% tax increase... Whoever pulled that societal change off is diabolical. Or how interest is suddenly acceptable in a society that had previously rejected it... Odd.

Ahem, I'm rambling, It's fiction dude... I ain't saying real people should do anything. Did you write an editorial on how it's bad to watch game of thrones? or make similar arguments every time any piece of fiction did something illegal or morally wrong in ANY other way?...

No, so chill, be cool.

p.s. Adding this to eliminate a certain response: No I am in no way advocating anything IRL. The End.

 

[Khri_na]

if you think about it, she was in a safe loving family, then she went missing alone and doing her best to survive in place she never know but also known, doing all work to find the new safety just to be stripped of that safety point again and went back to zero.
I kinda know that this will be heavily sweet and very hintedly emotional, so with the default braining of my end I see no way this won't be without the incest, unless you replace the brother with childhood friend or something.

 

[Firemorfox]

imho if I had to choose between going back to this world after an isekai or dying, I'd probably just die while on a high note. I couldn't handle it. I congratulate and admire anybody who can, though.

 

[Kanelel]

This is interesting. Normally in a reverse isekai like this, the plot would revolve around problems caused by her having magic, but this time it revolves around problems caused by NOT having magic. I worry that's a much smaller pool of potential problems. The author did an excellent job of capturing the particular feeling of effectively losing years of your life and feeling like you're way behind on everything. It seems like the plot will revolve around the brother trying to coax her back into society, but if that's all it is I have trouble seeing how the isekai aspect will matter, and there can't be that many variations on 'in this chapter he tries to convince her to try something, go outside, and make friends'. I think they'll have to include other people who have returned from the isekai world, fantasy people entering the real world, some way to use magic in the real world, or a part of the story that's set in the isekai world.

 

[dcdfvr]

please just keep this about her brother helping her recover and acclimate to japan.

 

[bosbarret]

This is like making someone experience transcendence and then force them to go back to being humans. What a dick move from whoever kidnapped her