Mairimashita! Iruma-kun - Vol. 37 Ch. 328 - Magitools of Terror

[Amariithynar]

in fact I read it twice, and then a third time because the second reading made me go "wait a minute, what does this even have to do with iruma-kun." what the godzilla franchise did, how an american economist's name is romanized, and the japanese name of some company all have absolutely nothing to do with the role of the word in this story. the only thing remotely relevant is the military context, and while interesting, it in no way proves that "battler" is wrong and "batra" is right and everyone on the official side is just lazy.

yes, the english word "battler" would generally be written in japanese as バトラー. maybe the author intended for it to be "battler" but wrote it as バトラ because she thought バトラー would be confusing to her japanese readership, who would be more likely to interpret it as "butler." whatever the case, everyone whose opinion has any weight in the matter has agreed that, in the context of this manga, the word that's written as バトラ in japanese should be written as "battler" in english. how it's romanized in other situations has no bearing on this.

Seems that you may have looked at what was written, but didn't actually read it, considering the lack of understanding shown... Also, Asian Indian who has migrated and then naturalized to America, actually, but I digress.

All those instances show usage of the actual katakana and their English equivalents beyond just a single niche and from multiple sources, to show that to translate it as "Battler" would be incorrect due to the difference in characters used. It's not "generally" that Battler is written in Japanese as [バトラー], it's ALWAYS written that way. [バトラ] could only be translated to "Battle", not "Battler", because of the extended vowel from the choonpu being missing which extends the sound out in the closest approximation Japanese has to English vocalization. It is also not something her Japanese readership would confuse, either; the katakana is provided superscript over the kanji, to indicate the method of reading the kanji, otherwise known as on'yomi, but it doesn't modify the actual meaning of the kanji, either; only explicitly note exactly the meaning being used, which is why my final note was, "If anything, a proper translation would be to just use "Division" in the military organization sense". [団] is "Dan" and means "group", in the sense of a bunch of people organized for a shared purpose; [師] is "Shi", and carries the meaning of "Division" on its own as well as in Jukugo (compound words in Kanji, which [師団] is), so together they would be read as "Shi-dan" without the on'yomi to indicate it should be read as "Ba[バ]-to[ト]-ra[ラ]".

And lastly, fuck you for trying to say that what I have to say doesn't matter, you little piece of shit.

 

[suudonym]

Seems that you may have looked at what was written, but didn't actually read it, considering the lack of understanding shown... Also, Asian Indian who has migrated and then naturalized to America, actually, but I digress.

All those instances show usage of the actual katakana and their English equivalents beyond just a single niche and from multiple sources, to show that to translate it as "Battler" would be incorrect due to the difference in characters used. It's not "generally" that Battler is written in Japanese as [バトラー], it's ALWAYS written that way. [バトラ] could only be translated to "Battle", not "Battler", because of the extended vowel from the choonpu being missing which extends the sound out in the closest approximation Japanese has to English vocalization. It is also not something her Japanese readership would confuse, either; the katakana is provided superscript over the kanji, to indicate the method of reading the kanji, otherwise known as on'yomi, but it doesn't modify the actual meaning of the kanji, either; only explicitly note exactly the meaning being used, which is why my final note was, "If anything, a proper translation would be to just use "Division" in the military organization sense". [団] is "Dan" and means "group", in the sense of a bunch of people organized for a shared purpose; [師] is "Shi", and carries the meaning of "Division" on its own as well as in Jukugo (compound words in Kanji, which [師団] is), so together they would be read as "Shi-dan" without the on'yomi to indicate it should be read as "Ba[バ]-to[ト]-ra[ラ]".

And lastly, fuck you for trying to say that what I have to say doesn't matter, you little piece of shit.

well, I don't think you really understood what I was getting at with the butler thing, but I also didn't read your whole post because my eyes accidentally skipped to the bottom and I found out that what I thought was an interesting discussion about jp-en translation for a slice-of-life comedy manga was actually the hill you want to die on so aggressively that you're out to murder anyone else around it. and that's not really what I'm here for, so uh. you have fun with that. sorry for standing near your hill.

 

[homerman87]

Oh.
They're making a haunted house / mansion, aren't they.

That would be my guess too, it's a pretty common sight in school festival arcs too.

 

[Ikerot]

are the "sexy Iruma-chi photos" still going to be included in the potential haunted house? 🤔

I assume these are the "sexy" photos 😂

 

[ShadowSilence]

GIVE ME WICKED PHASE IRUMA AGAIN PLEASEEEEE

 

[Eterky]

Silvia's neurons activated just hearing the sentence : "depths of terror"

 

[G4ost]

Oh.
They're making a haunted house / mansion, aren't they.

I was thinking themepark of some kind. Like those rides that pull you to the top and just drop you- i.e Tower of Terror

 

[Swagner]

Idk who tf @tocompetetowin is but they spent like 15 minutes systematically striking 40 comments. fucking weird

I've seen that loser in several different threads now. And yeah, the UI gives no way to report them or anything.

 

[Shiirooooooooo]

"lets spread some TERRORS!" - Iruma said with innocent smile

 

[Phantommemorial]

You demons might be a representation of sin but our sins are still original!

 

[ShadowDream]

I just love seeing Iruma happy and excited for something after his rough times in the human world.

 

[Holiv110]

Aww Sylvia wants to be the next first mangaka in the underworld

 

[yourlocalfemboysfine]

Iruma adopting manners from his boyfriend

 

[yourlocalfemboysfine]

This manga is pretty staunch anti facist/imperialist so it wouldn't make sense to translate it into a millitaristic name.

Man, I hate it when the official translation lameasses something because they don't have a decent breadth of understanding of language, and fan translations switch over to using it. I mean, I get it, less confusing for skimmers that way, but I'd rather not reward skimmers, either. :/

For anyone else reading's sake: The Japanese used in Iruma-kun is [師団] which translates to "division" (in the military sense) or "brigade" (functionally the same thing), but it comes with the katakana of [バトラ] "Batora" for pronunciation reading; when you see the two together in Japanese such as [3師団バトラ], it's read in English as "3rd Battle Division" or "3rd Battle Brigade", as with the JGSDF regiments' subdivisions. Note also that this is the same katakana used for "Battra", which is a shortening/combination of the words "Battle" and "Mothra" transliterated into Japanese in Godzilla vs. Mothra, as well as Ravi Batra's name [ラビ・バトラ] and Batra, Inc.'s name in Japanese is [株式会社バトラ] where [株式会社] is "Kabushiki Gaisha", or the Japanese terminology for a publically traded corporation (it's literally meaning "limited joint stock corporation", like when you see a "co. ltd." appended to a company name). This said, I'm also not saying that I can't see how they'd get to "Battler", as the katakana is also used in things like VS Battler [VSバトラー] or the JAF racing team Butler, which also goes by BATTLER, written as "Racing Team Butler" [レーシングチームバトラー] where [バトラー] is "Butler", but in these cases it features the choonpu [ー], to elongate the last vowel sound, rather than end at [バトラ], which is why I am confident that it is an incorrect/lazy translation on the part of the official translators. If anything, a proper translation would be to just use "Division" in the military organization sense.

 

[Amariithynar]

The stupidest motherfuckers will come up and venerate fucking localization like THIS. Just, don't.

This manga is pretty staunch anti facist/imperialist so it wouldn't make sense to translate it into a millitaristic name.

 

[yourlocalfemboysfine]

The stupidest motherfuckers will come up and venerate fucking localization like THIS. Just, don't.

Buy that's the theme of the Manga, the villains are pretty easily presented as facists.
Also Division is really basic, Battler is unique and different.