Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[bep]

I edited my previous comment because I went back and checked and some of those things are still present. The new terms specify that they don't claim ownership over contributions, but that posting here grants them an irrevocable license to resell it as they please.

See https://mangadex.org/compliance/terms, particularly paragraph 7. They also added the (Social Network) tag at the end of paragraph 7, but it's unclear what that means.

Could the "Social Network" stipulation be the reason why they introduced the new social feed?

 

[exLightning]

It's about law and compliance with it. If you jerk it off to little kids, go and do it elsewhere; there are sites that specialise in that.

Go to the search page and sort by oldest uploads then come back here and tell me what this site "specialises" in exactly.

(In case they get removed it's a page full of Mature rated Loli Doujinshi)

 

[seekermoc]

Still by the terms it would not work for actual group translation.

"We do not assert any ownership over your Contributions. You retain full ownership of all of your Contributions and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your Contributions."

It's basically a way to justify the subscription/supporter monetization thing they got going own right now using the work of other people and just being a place where those works are, but the actual translation are still from the people that produced it. Also even if they made changes to the TOS anything publicized before the change would be exempt of that.

Yeah, it's a bit contradictory. Within the same paragraph they say:

By posting your Contributions to any part of the Social Network or making Contributions accessible to the Social Network by linking your account from the Site to any of your other social networking accounts, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to us an unrestricted, unlimited, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, royalty-free, fully-paid, worldwide right, and license to host, use, copy, reproduce, disclose, publish, broadcast, retitle, archive, store, cache, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, transmit, excerpt (in whole or in part), and distribute such Contributions (including, without limitation, your image and voice) for any purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, and to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such Contributions, and grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing. The use and distribution may occur in any media formats and through any media channels. This license is required for us to operate the Social Network and permit monetization.

But then they later added:

Only content that has been made available via subscriptions is covered by the commercial elements of this license. This license does not permit MangaDex to sell your content to any third party not subscribed to you. Since subscriptions are not available on MangaDex, MangaDex does not have a license to sell your content.

But notice this is contingent on the fact that subscriptions are not [yet] available on MD. And if MD does not have a license to sell your content, then what's the point of the first half of the paragraph talking about automatically granting them an irrevocable license to do exactly that?

The complete lack of transparency or explanation from the mods about what this actually means is the worst part.

 

[dmy96]

Except mangas with no official translations. That's the category my group sticks it's nose in. Unless an overseas publisher wants to own the whole Katts Work catalog like Fakku did with Wanimanga, we'll just continue with what we're working on, and hope that if it happens, we get picked up to be the legit translators of their work.

Last I check Fakku could no longer host most of "problematic" contents since late last year

 

[seekermoc]

Go to the search page and sort by oldest uploads then come back here and tell me what this site "specialises" in exactly.

(In case they get removed it's a page full of Mature rated Loli Doujinshi)

Ironic isn't it? The core founding members of MangaDex were from Doki Fansubs, which specialized in loli series.

 

[MorrisSohmer]

Do you guys not know that like 80% of your stuff is about first year highschoolers and of that like 90% of it is like absurdly sexuallized?

Like I understand this is not a real rule and the only enforcement will be like "our team thinks this manga (is gross/makes us look bad") but I still think you should nuke most of your catalogue anyways just so I know not to waste my time here.

 

[B4z73rd]

Last I check Fakku could no longer host most of "problematic" contents since late last year

Yeah, I wish Jacob and his friends got had because of that. I always wanted them to taken down a peg or a billion. The hypocrites of Fakku and Irodori are the worst of the internet in my eyes. At least the situation here so far isn't as bad. It sounds like they're still on our side at MD, but this stance they're taking is all wrong.

 

[cybeast21]

Notice how the mod hasn't removed any of the title being asked here or answer the "why are they still up" question

 

[Pauan]

Platforms will choose to follow laws of jurisdictions in which it is beneficial for them to continue being able to operate on. Are you sure you really need me to explain this to you or are you just arguing in bad faith? Have you ever wondered why youtube or twitter will follow common western laws but don't ban LGBT content? Come on man...

By the way, you mentioned "common Western laws". Okay, let's take a look.

Western countries that ban lolis, and convictions have happened:

• Australia
• Canada
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• United Kingdom

Interestingly, they're all Anglo countries.

Western countries that do NOT ban lolis:

• Austria
• Belgium
• Bulgaria
• Croatia
• Cyprus
• Czech Republic
• Denmark
• Estonia
• Finland
• Germany
• Greece
• Hungary
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Luxembourg
• Malta
• Netherlands
• Portugal
• Romania
• Slovakia
• Slovenia
• Spain
• Switzerland
• United States of America

Western countries where lolis are a gray zone:

• France
• Italy
• Poland
• Russia
• Sweden

Western countries have traditionally had a strong culture of freedom of speech, and freedom of artistic expression.

This is reflected in the fact that non-Anglo Western countries don't ban lolis.

So perhaps these anti-loli laws are not as common as you seem to think.

 

[YungMei]

so now that mangadex is sudokuing itself, any recommended sites? also, is there a way to export my follows? might as well start migrating now before MD ruins itself any harder

 

[WhiteRaven_OfTheValley]

Go to the search page and sort by oldest uploads then come back here and tell me what this site "specialises" in exactly.

(In case they get removed it's a page full of Mature rated Loli Doujinshi)

Screen cap it just in case they try to hide it.

 

[seekermoc]

sudokuing

lmao

 

[MangaMonger]

MD should do what they need to survive; they don't need to sacrifice themselves to prove their ideological integrity... The biggest adult game piracy site also has a similar policy, and they don't interpret it liberally to remove as much as possible, they generally only remove obvious or clear-cut examples of nudity with clearly prepubescent characters. I would expect MD to act similarly; though it's true the one mod phrased things aggressively at first, they corrected themselves so I suspect MD is trying to honestly preserve as much culture as they can amidst this policy.

If removal becomes more aggressive in the future, I would hope that everyone comes together and finds ways to solve or mitigate the problem, like what happened when Tachiyomi was targeted.

But the paranoid part of me thinks that the timing of this and Discord's changes may not be a coincidence...

 

[sorawild]

• Canada

Canada its also a grey zone. Its not illegal to own but you can get in trouble for importing it. If it was illegal to own, the most prominent Canadian anime reviewer, GRArkada, would have been booked years ago. Then again, it may just be due to him living in the middle of nowhere Alberta.

 

[andyarc1995]

Platforms will choose to follow laws of jurisdictions in which it is beneficial for them to continue being able to operate on.

Pack it up boys, this site is going down just like the 'tanic... At least the 'tanic is remembered as a wonder of its era whilst MD will be remembered as the pirate site that cattered to the puritans laws and died because yolo.

 

[PilotNOT]

MD should do what they need to survive; they don't need to sacrifice themselves to prove their ideological integrity... The biggest adult game piracy site also has a similar policy, and they don't interpret it liberally to remove as much as possible, they generally only remove obvious or clear-cut examples of nudity with clearly prepubescent characters. I would expect MD to act similarly; though it's true the one mod phrased things aggressively at first, they corrected themselves so I suspect MD is trying to honestly preserve as much culture as they can amidst this policy.

If removal becomes more aggressive in the future, I would hope that everyone comes together and finds ways to solve or mitigate the problem, like what happened when Tachiyomi was targeted.

But the paranoid part of me thinks that the timing of this and Discord's changes may not be a coincidence...

So you would want to think but take a look at their attempts to legitimatizes themselves with ads and their owners Namicomi, it's all going downhill from here.

 

[Blanc]

Ironic isn't it? The core founding members of MangaDex were from Doki Fansubs, which specialized in loli series.

I remembered the day when doki fansub stand up and created MD, Bato.to get sold, and the translation group start moving to a newly open MD.
MD has gotten worse since the hacking incident.

 

[sorawild]

MD should do what they need to survive; they don't need to sacrifice themselves to prove their ideological integrity... The biggest adult game piracy site also has a similar policy, and they don't interpret it liberally to remove as much as possible, they generally only remove obvious or clear-cut examples of nudity with clearly prepubescent characters. I would expect MD to act similarly; though it's true the one mod phrased things aggressively at first, they corrected themselves so I suspect MD is trying to honestly preserve as much culture as they can amidst this policy.

If removal becomes more aggressive in the future, I would hope that everyone comes together and finds ways to solve or mitigate the problem, like what happened when Tachiyomi was targeted.

But the paranoid part of me thinks that the timing of this and Discord's changes may not be a coincidence...

If you're talking about F95, their application of their rule on this is hilariously uneven. There are hundreds of loli h-games on the site. It just depends on if the mod who's chosen to screen it has a personal vendetta against this content or not.

 

[sadmanex]

By the way, you mentioned "common Western laws". Okay, let's take a look.

Western countries that ban lolis, and convictions have happened:

• Australia
• Canada
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• United Kingdom

Interestingly, they're all Anglo countries.

Western countries that do NOT ban lolis:

• Austria
• Belgium
• Bulgaria
• Croatia
• Cyprus
• Czech Republic
• Denmark
• Estonia
• Finland
• Germany
• Greece
• Hungary
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Luxembourg
• Malta
• Netherlands
• Portugal
• Romania
• Slovakia
• Slovenia
• Spain
• Switzerland
• United States of America

Western countries where lolis are a gray zone:

• France
• Italy
• Poland
• Russia
• Sweden

Western countries have traditionally had a strong culture of freedom of speech, and freedom of artistic expression.

This is reflected in the fact that non-Anglo Western countries don't ban lolis.

So perhaps these anti-loli laws are not as common as you seem to think.

Mods only choose what will benefit them
never will they will follow the law

 

[WhiteRaven_OfTheValley]

By the way, you mentioned "common Western laws". Okay, let's take a look.

Western countries that ban lolis, and convictions have happened:

• Australia
• Canada
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• United Kingdom

Interestingly, they're all Anglo countries.

Western countries that do NOT ban lolis:

• Austria
• Belgium
• Bulgaria
• Croatia
• Cyprus
• Czech Republic
• Denmark
• Estonia
• Finland
• Germany
• Greece
• Hungary
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Luxembourg
• Malta
• Netherlands
• Portugal
• Romania
• Slovakia
• Slovenia
• Spain
• Switzerland
• United States of America

Western countries where lolis are a gray zone:

• France
• Italy
• Poland
• Russia
• Sweden

Western countries have traditionally had a strong culture of freedom of speech, and freedom of artistic expression.

This is reflected in the fact that non-Anglo Western countries don't ban lolis.

So perhaps these anti-loli laws are not as common as you seem to think.

Might be a bit unrelated, but have you noticed a pattern? It feels like UK and EU is trying to colonizing the internet like it's 1800 over again with all the surveillance attempts and censorship efforts lately

I'm not European or American myself, but i can feel how uncomfortable this is already, and we're just getting only a pinch of it elsewhere.