Maou to Ore no Hangyakuki - Vol. 5 Ch. 22 - Truth of This World

[icekatze]

@Shiroi_Kage
"Being the same species doesn't matter." Exactly. They're going after the inhumans and trying to genocide them because of something that doesn't matter. And fighting for a cause? Most of the inhumans are just trying to live normal lives. I don't see how baking bread is a crime worth killing over.

Although we're told in the story that humanity hasn't been continuously trying to reclaim the occupied lands, and in fact had lived through an era of peace where humans an inhumans lived together... if someone breeds a dinosaur species from DNA in a fossilized mosquito, I think it would be kind of ridiculous to say: "Well, they were here first, humans need to be exterminated to make way for the rightful inhabitants of this world."

 

[Shiroi_Kage]

@icekatze You're still missing my point. Species isn't the reason for why humans go after the inhumans. Species happens to be an easy distinction for who is the invader and who is not. Like if all invaders had red hair, they will attack those with red hair. The redness of their hair isn't the point, it's that they're invaders.

As for the rest of it, humans evolved on the planet. There's no invasion. We are a natural outcome of the natural processes within our home. What you're saying is like a dad telling his wife that the kids are invaders and need to be eliminated. If they're aliens, they do not belong to the planet and therefore are invaders.

 

[icekatze]

@Shiroi_Kage
Species is the explicitly stated reason. Diedhauser's own explanation in this very chapter contradicts it, even.
• "You didn't think it was mysterious? How you can consume another world's food with no problems?"
• "Why you haven't caught any illnesses since coming here?"

Well, all of the inhumans also consume the world's food with no problems, and aren't constantly disease ridden. Diedhauser may call them invaders, but they're just as much Earthlings as the main character is.

None of the people, except maybe Diedhauser, were around when inhumans appeared. Inhuman and human, they were all born on the planet Earth, and have never lived anywhere but the planet Earth. Should humans abandon all continents except Africa, because they didn't evolve on any continent except Africa?

 

[Shiroi_Kage]

@icekatze
I don't think it helps to discuss the plot holes of "why does it apply to him and not the inhumans" since those are problems with the narrative rather than with the concept we're discussing.

Species is the identifier. They're fighting them because of the invasion (at least that's the announced reason). It's like if Chinese people invaded Sudan, and the Sudanese fought back by attacking anyone who looked Chinese. It's less about their race and more about race being an easy identifier for the invader. Might not be ideal in the case of humans, but if the invaders all had bunny ears then it's a pretty good identifier.

As for the "oh they're all Earthlings now" that's a completely different argument and a completely different train of thought. If you're saying that an invader becomes an owner of the land just because time passed, that, to me, is bullshit so long as those who are fighting the invasion do so continuously. "Oh your dad stole my dad's home, but you were born in it so I should stop asking for it back?" Yeah doesn't sit with me very well honestly. I think people have the right to fight for their lands for however long it takes to get their rights back. It's their right. If someone inherits stolen land or property or whatever, it's still stolen. It has to go back to its original owners, or their kin, and that person has to come to an agreement with them. You can't just magic that away by time.

 

[icekatze]

@Shiroi_Kage
They're just people trying to live their lives though. It's not a plot hole. It's a flaw in Diedhauser's argument.

Even if you ask indigenous populations today who have legitimate grievances, from the Euskaldunak in Spain, to the Warlpiri in Australia; from Indians in India under a British occupation, to basically every single native in Northern, Central, and Southern America; none of them are proposing genocide as a legitimate way to address their grievances.

If China invaded Sudan, then the war ended, and then someone in Sudan came along and convinced everyone to take the country back, it would be pretty evil to go up to a random family that was selling kebabs on the street for three generations and kill them because "they're not supposed to be there."

In any case. There was an era of peace. So they haven't been continuously fighting anyways. You can't invite someone into your home, and then murder them because you decide you don't like them being there anymore.

(This argument is getting weird, so I'm gonna leave it here.)

 

[Shiroi_Kage]

@icekatze

I have to reply to one point (you can leave it there if you want). You said "if the war ended." At that point, I'm 100% with you. However, if the war did not end, then the war continues; AKA there will be more fighting. All I'm saying is that the war did not end for the humans in this story, or at least it does not appear to have ended. That's why I do not have a problem with the idea of continuing to fight against them as invaders. The connotations and the possibility of peace is more to my liking in the real world if the other side wants to do so (the planet is large enough after all).

 

[DJKenji]

Yeah a new ship between soyboy and the general's daughter,hope the ship doesnt get ruined and hmmm the plot thickens

 

[Winchan]

Holy fuck, I didn't know I'd actually be shocked that this is future earth.

Tho it seems that this is not the only reason.

 

[Coldlight]

The special squad that the emperor called in many chapters ago turned out to be chumps, huh.

So the theory of a lot of commenters about this actually being Earth and not a true isekai is apparently true. But I still don't think Ryou will be swayed by this. None of what that guy said changes the fact that what he witnessed was the abject, inhumane and downright evil brutality of (future) humanity in contrast to the peaceful coexistence desired by his non-human friends. Humans and non-humans also successfully coexisted peacefully before the last great war. Him changing sides now is just going to throw every single relationship he's built with his friends and allies here into the trash.

It's more interesting that Monika has sided with Fleonell, and that there appears to be a growing rift between factions on the human side, Diedhauser and Seed Eight each have their own factions presented, probably a third is the emperor's faction represented by his pet chumps who just lost the battle.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Since Inhumans are invasive species like they mentioned earlier, perhaps the moon is their spacecraft, they invaded, set up a barrier and after failed takeover decided to just live together since whoever made the barrier died, probably during the conflict.

Since there's less space on earth due to Inhumans numbers, maybe humans fight for it?

This reminds me of recent Palestine conflict...

 

[SpecialProjectY]

As for food, it's perfectly normal for different species to be able to eat the same things.

Not really.

Everything on Earth evolved to be processed by it's inhabitants, if it would be different world, it's elements wouldn't be compatible since digestive system is set to our nutritives.

Take simple lactose intolerance, regions where cow milk wasn't introduced earlier on isn't consumable, as people lack digestive enzyme called lactase. Lactase breaks down the lactose in milk so your body can absorb it.

If our Earth was further or closer to Sun, plants would have different means of photosynthesis, producing different elements, herbivores would digest and absorb different molecules, resulting in making different amino acids, etc.

 

[AncientWatcher]

For as bad as that Earth looks, it still looks better than the Earth of Project Wingman and is probably still a nicer place to live than Holy Terra.