Monogatari no Kuromaku ni Tensei shite - Ch. 25

[isoycrazy]

Just get the ring and get it over with.

 

[Aoitenshi]

That I would prefer, I would like another isekai where the MC just uses gun please

ANSWER MY CALL ISEKAI AUTHOR THAT'S ALSO A MILITARY ENTHUSIAST

Or can someone just adapt "modern weapon cheat in another world" to anything really

My problem with guns is because they're way too powerful with almost no disadvantages. Usually, the strongest firepower in a fantasy setting is a mage, but it comes with the drawback of being rare, runs out of mana easily, or it takes a long time to chant so even ordinary people can catch one by surprise.

Now compare it to guns: anyone can use it, only requires ammunition (which seems to be really lenient in terms of mana costs), no chant, high speed projectile, have a high piercing capability which is usually the bane of magic barriers.

There's a fantasy novel which actually made it quite balanced since their 'magic gun' can only fire one bullet at a time with a very high mana cost (not to mention the mages in that novel can cast anything almost instantly). But that's pretty much the only novel I know that balances between guns and magics.

 

[onipuck]

Cool, someone picked this series back up.

Oh, and since rereading this entire thing because I had forgotten what the series was, my head's full of dumb ideas
Namely, really stupid Demon Sword ideas

Demon Sword of Baguette/Baking - Enables the use of Bread magic
Demon Sword of Whirling - Chainsaw sword
Demon Sword of Water - Swordwhip sorta deal(Think Ivy from Soul Calibur), or just a big jiggly tube of water with a handle.

 

[KingCarna]

I missed this series

 

[WonderingSFaiz]

My problem with guns is because they're way too powerful with almost no disadvantages. Usually, the strongest firepower in a fantasy setting is a mage, but it comes with the drawback of being rare, runs out of mana easily, or it takes a long time to chant so even ordinary people can catch one by surprise.

Now compare it to guns: anyone can use it, only requires ammunition (which seems to be really lenient in terms of mana costs), no chant, high speed projectile, have a high piercing capability which is usually the bane of magic barriers.

There's a fantasy novel which actually made it quite balanced since their 'magic gun' can only fire one bullet at a time with a very high mana cost (not to mention the mages in that novel can cast anything almost instantly). But that's pretty much the only novel I know that balances between guns and magics.

Just place a realistic weakness on them

Logistics

Everyone's worst nightmare

 

[bonnyApoptosis]

I felt a massive stinging pain in my lower back seeing pg. 3.

 

[DeadToReal]

That I would prefer, I would like another isekai where the MC just uses gun please

ANSWER MY CALL ISEKAI AUTHOR THAT'S ALSO A MILITARY ENTHUSIAST

Or can someone just adapt "modern weapon cheat in another world" to anything really

Villager A Wants to Save the Villainess no Matter What is what you're looking for.

MC uses a magical AK-47 to mow through dungeons and level up quickly.

 

[WonderingSFaiz]

Villager A Wants to Save the Villainess no Matter What is what you're looking for.

MC uses a magical AK-47 to mow through dungeons and level up quickly.

Knew about that one, finished the WN as well, that said I've pretty much consumed atleast 80% of Gun-isekai manga, I've tackled WN as well, with Modern Weapon Cheat in another World being my favourite one

 

[MontDilanus1343]

Chapter 24 in translated WN.

Also, get diabeetus medication.

 

[zephyrnepres]

My problem with guns is because they're way too powerful with almost no disadvantages. Usually, the strongest firepower in a fantasy setting is a mage, but it comes with the drawback of being rare, runs out of mana easily, or it takes a long time to chant so even ordinary people can catch one by surprise.

Now compare it to guns: anyone can use it, only requires ammunition (which seems to be really lenient in terms of mana costs), no chant, high speed projectile, have a high piercing capability which is usually the bane of magic barriers.

There's a fantasy novel which actually made it quite balanced since their 'magic gun' can only fire one bullet at a time with a very high mana cost (not to mention the mages in that novel can cast anything almost instantly). But that's pretty much the only novel I know that balances between guns and magics.

not really an isekai, but there's 'magical girl gunslinger' free on royal road. i read about 50 chapters or so and it was alright, i just wasn't obsessed with the prose, the often excessive infodumping and the mc's mentality felt a bit all over the place at times. i have heard it gets significantly better with time and i could tell there was a lot of potential there, but i find it harder to stomach "getting to the good parts" for novels rather than manga. might be up your alley since it's quite rated though

it's kind of interesting because one of the stated disadvantages for using guns in the setting is that guns are weapons with abnormally dark and negative connotations compared to other weaponry like bows or spears, and in universe the system magical girls can access rewards the user based on their contribution in making people feel safe, secure and happy in addition to dispatching monsters. using guns can be offputting to the populace, which means lower contributions which means less resources. it's somewhat of a trade off

 

[Toofoof]

Uncle Mlynar to help as usual

He can't be Młynar he's not grumpy and tired

 

[Civi]

I can't stand modern suits in a fantasy setting

 

[Highorse]

praise be to ye, mass release

 

[GreC_89]

at the very least, it wasn't like (seemingly) a row of AR-15s appearing out of nowhere

Now i wonder where this was dig out.

 

[IMyuuki]

He can't be Młynar he's not grumpy and tired

Young uncle when he still full of bright and youth

 

[Dzrian]

I forgot about this manga but I remember I think I shipped these two for some reason

 

[Meridis]

My problem with guns is because they're way too powerful with almost no disadvantages. Usually, the strongest firepower in a fantasy setting is a mage, but it comes with the drawback of being rare, runs out of mana easily, or it takes a long time to chant so even ordinary people can catch one by surprise.

Now compare it to guns: anyone can use it, only requires ammunition (which seems to be really lenient in terms of mana costs), no chant, high speed projectile, have a high piercing capability which is usually the bane of magic barriers.

There's a fantasy novel which actually made it quite balanced since their 'magic gun' can only fire one bullet at a time with a very high mana cost (not to mention the mages in that novel can cast anything almost instantly). But that's pretty much the only novel I know that balances between guns and magics.

that's a bit of an overestimation of guns. Both movies and manga overexaggerate how much damage they do or misinterpret the way they do damage. In a fantasy setting, it would actually be pretty difficult for guns to keep pace. The actual damage it does to the body is about as much as you would get from being stabbed with a knife, baring certain kinds of ammunition banned by the Hague convention or anything the author comes up with(also keep in mind that once you hit an area and disable it, it doesn't really matter if you keep shooting the same spot. Once the organ is disabled, they don't die more just because you damaged the same dead organ more). It's enough to take down a person but wouldn't have much of an impact on something much larger even if shot repeatedly. Add to it that if you can't penetrate to specific vital organs or hit multiple organs, it might not even slow them down or disable them.

That said, swords and spears work in fantasy settings because there's something superhuman or supernatural pushing them beyond what they should be able to do so, same rules apply. It's just that authors assume guns can do that without the assistance or would greatly outpace them if they had it, which it probably wouldn't. It would actually probably be pretty balanced, though a little difficult for it to benefit from the user's powers.

 

[DeadToReal]

that's a bit of an overestimation of guns. Both movies and manga overexaggerate how much damage they do or misinterpret the way they do damage. In a fantasy setting, it would actually be pretty difficult for guns to keep pace. The actual damage it does to the body is about as much as you would get from being stabbed with a knife, baring certain kinds of ammunition banned by the Hague convention or anything the author comes up with(also keep in mind that once you hit an area and disable it, it doesn't really matter if you keep shooting the same spot. Once the organ is disabled, they don't die more just because you damaged the same dead organ more). It's enough to take down a person but wouldn't have much of an impact on something much larger even if shot repeatedly. Add to it that if you can't penetrate to specific vital organs or hit multiple organs, it might not even slow them down or disable them.

That said, swords and spears work in fantasy settings because there's something superhuman or supernatural pushing them beyond what they should be able to do so, same rules apply. It's just that authors assume guns can do that without the assistance or would greatly outpace them if they had it, which it probably wouldn't. It would actually probably be pretty balanced, though a little difficult for it to benefit from the user's powers.

Damage may be less than a sword, war hammer, battle ax, or stab from spear, but the sheer range and rate of fire completely obliterates bows and melee weapons to a stupid degree. Add in endless ammunition, and a soldier with a gun is almost unstoppable to everything that doesn't have magical shields.

Upgrade from standard 5.56/7.62 to .50/12.7mm, you will be literally be blowing people's heads off before they can get anywhere close to firing an arrow at you.

 

[GreC_89]

Upgrade from standard 5.56/7.62 to .50/12.7mm, you will be literally be blowing people's heads off before they can get anywhere close to firing an arrow at you.

And what are you hunting with armor-piercing Anti-materiel rifle Wyverns/Pterodactyls

There a reason why Intermediate Cartridges, and with Hollow-Point none less, was widely adapted, instead of Fully Powered ones, who relegated to machine guns, sniping/marksmanship and Big Game hunting. They are doing well enough against wild life, especially depending on material of bullets.

Spoiler: Samples against Bear dummy

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Divided comment because amount of Media.

 

[GreC_89]

that's a bit of an overestimation of guns. Both movies and manga overexaggerate how much damage they do or misinterpret the way they do damage. In a fantasy setting, it would actually be pretty difficult for guns to keep pace. The actual damage it does to the body is about as much as you would get from being stabbed with a knife, baring certain kinds of ammunition banned by the Hague convention or anything the author comes up with(also keep in mind that once you hit an area and disable it, it doesn't really matter if you keep shooting the same spot. Once the organ is disabled, they don't die more just because you damaged the same dead organ more). It's enough to take down a person but wouldn't have much of an impact on something much larger even if shot repeatedly. Add to it that if you can't penetrate to specific vital organs or hit multiple organs, it might not even slow them down or disable them.

That said, swords and spears work in fantasy settings because there's something superhuman or supernatural pushing them beyond what they should be able to do so, same rules apply. It's just that authors assume guns can do that without the assistance or would greatly outpace them if they had it, which it probably wouldn't. It would actually probably be pretty balanced, though a little difficult for it to benefit from the user's powers.

Damage may be less than a sword, war hammer, battle ax, or stab from spear, but the sheer range and rate of fire completely obliterates bows and melee weapons to a stupid degree. Add in endless ammunition, and a soldier with a gun is almost unstoppable to everything that doesn't have magical shields.

I think you underestimate what bullets actually do and how they interact with tissues, bones and organs. Ever heard of term Temporary Cavity?

And armors not really protect you.

Doctor's explanation
There some samples what bullets do to your body

Spoiler: In Super Slow-Motion

Elephant Rifle