I'd suggest that if someone wants to read accurately pictured non cis hetero characters with a good dose of romance, they should try western produced webtoons. These are published to target a fan base, on the opposite of manga that target buyers.
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@Nutz Just checking, but you do know we have a handy number that tells us how many times a forum post has been viewed, right? So we either know how many unique users have clicked this post, or how many times this post has been clicked regardless of returning users. I do know thread views don't count refreshes as a view. That's like the 2nd oldest post in the bug subforum.
Also you know better than me that the subtle racism in South Africa wasn't predicated by mild grievances, but by decades long systemic racism. It hasn't even been 30 years since South Africa was desegregated, y'all have a long road ahead of y'all in healing those wounds. Finally, I don't put any stock in slippery slope logic.
I respect the time you put into your post, though, and thank you for addressing me.
Also you know better than me that the subtle racism in South Africa wasn't predicated by mild grievances, but by decades long systemic racism. It hasn't even been 30 years since South Africa was desegregated, y'all have a long road ahead of y'all in healing those wounds. Finally, I don't put any stock in slippery slope logic.
I respect the time you put into your post, though, and thank you for addressing me.
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@Bestboy I am aware of the view counter. My point is that 1000 people will view this post and also so will that same amount viewers view similar posts across all the websites on the internet as well as the fact that it's not as if this post is unique and I'm guessing there has been similar requests.
Yes, while it is true that South Africa is still undergoing recovery from our systemic racism and previous issues it is also worth noting that the blame for our current socioeconomic strain has been shifted to foreign migrants and now xenophobia is a rampant problem in South Africa.
I understand that it might seem fallacious of me and that it could be construed as being fearmongering especially because of the parallels I've drawn but I assure you that it's not my intention to say that the world will end because people disagree. I'm just saying that it is wise to be aware.
Thanks for the engagement. I appreciate your active participation in this conversation. It's helpful to me to see the differences of opinions and perspectives without having to deal with insults to one's person😊.
Yes, while it is true that South Africa is still undergoing recovery from our systemic racism and previous issues it is also worth noting that the blame for our current socioeconomic strain has been shifted to foreign migrants and now xenophobia is a rampant problem in South Africa.
I understand that it might seem fallacious of me and that it could be construed as being fearmongering especially because of the parallels I've drawn but I assure you that it's not my intention to say that the world will end because people disagree. I'm just saying that it is wise to be aware.
Thanks for the engagement. I appreciate your active participation in this conversation. It's helpful to me to see the differences of opinions and perspectives without having to deal with insults to one's person😊.
Bit late, but I don't think we need another set of tags like these. It's a small subset of works and, realistically, won't be that popularly used. The yaoi/yuri tags are a bit general and may not suit your taste, but the demographics tags will help narrow things down. As others have said, MangaUpdates have more specific tags that may suit your needs. If that still doesn't suit your needs, maybe search for a blog post/recommendation list (or make one yourself).
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What you're describing sounds like a combination of demographic + shoujo/shonen ai tags, which is already available in the search.
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Welp, 2 cents it is.
>Reads original post
>Reads Rules
>Reads comments made so far
>Tries fiddling around with the search and tags system
1. The website function OP seems to be looking for, seems to be adequately handled by the current indexing system.
2. The presence/absence of certain tags, which is part of the website itself, should have a clear objective basis; in the case of MD it is the mainstream demographic targets.
3. OP has final sentence:
MD should not engage in religious, political, or social advocacy of any kind whatsoever; or so I'd like to think after reading the rules. Advocacy is fine, if one has a personal animus for it, but asking the community to include or exclude a feature simply because of one's personal agenda is... iffy, at best. (For example, I might disapprove of hosting pornography on this site, but I'm not about to launch a petition against it.)
TLDR; if someone wants such a feature included, best thing to do is to convince us that we want it as well, rather than impose it without demand, as clear from the quote above.
>Reads original post
>Reads Rules
>Reads comments made so far
>Tries fiddling around with the search and tags system
1. The website function OP seems to be looking for, seems to be adequately handled by the current indexing system.
2. The presence/absence of certain tags, which is part of the website itself, should have a clear objective basis; in the case of MD it is the mainstream demographic targets.
3. OP has final sentence:
MD should not engage in religious, political, or social advocacy of any kind whatsoever; or so I'd like to think after reading the rules. Advocacy is fine, if one has a personal animus for it, but asking the community to include or exclude a feature simply because of one's personal agenda is... iffy, at best. (For example, I might disapprove of hosting pornography on this site, but I'm not about to launch a petition against it.)
TLDR; if someone wants such a feature included, best thing to do is to convince us that we want it as well, rather than impose it without demand, as clear from the quote above.
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@BraveDude8 I already demonstrated why the demographic tags aren't a good substitute.
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Honestly the problem I see is your suggestion is too subjective. What counts as "catering to heterosexuals" can be widely different from person to person. I do get that this is indeed a thing that happens, but it'd be hard to nail down what exactly belongs in the tag.
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@BestBoy Demographic tags aren't a good substitute when they aren't applied, that's for sure. I went and checked both the titles you linked and they're published in a josei magazine.
Under the new system, "yaoi" will be boys love + josei, "bara" will be boys love + seinen, and you'll have a sliding scale of explicit content to go along with it. There's no point adding additional tags on top of that, and this is more userfriendly than having people constantly argue over whether something is yaoi or bara because apparently no-one actually knows the difference.
Under the new system, "yaoi" will be boys love + josei, "bara" will be boys love + seinen, and you'll have a sliding scale of explicit content to go along with it. There's no point adding additional tags on top of that, and this is more userfriendly than having people constantly argue over whether something is yaoi or bara because apparently no-one actually knows the difference.
@BraveDude8 That is a very cool solution.
Just thinking about a tag exclusion system based on different combinations already gives me a headache: like, exclude "boys love + seinen" but keep "boys love + josei". But I'm sure you have this figured out. Good stuff! 🙂
Just thinking about a tag exclusion system based on different combinations already gives me a headache: like, exclude "boys love + seinen" but keep "boys love + josei". But I'm sure you have this figured out. Good stuff! 🙂
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I think that you have too much of a qualitative interpretation of what the tags should be on the basis of what you're looking for in manga. Plenty of people would argue with on in what the tags stand for and even if you could come up with a tag that's like 'this people of this sexual/gender alignment this manga is for you' that is still going to be a subjective judgement that not everyone will agree with you on. Gay people aren't a monolith, nor are trans people. I would probably just form a community of likeminded people and come up with a bunch of series that you think people of your mind would particularly like rather than trying to force tags that don't implicitly make sense.
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@BraveDude8 I forgot about the GL/BL rework.
Honestly surprised Senya Ichiya was in a josei magazine because it completely lacks the typical calling cards in yaoi, like mimicking the power dynamics of a hetero relationship and effeminate character designs. How did you find anything about mellow mellow magazine?
I did read that in the past couple years there's been more overlap between yaoi and bara than in previous years so that might explain why bara was in a josei mag.
Honestly surprised Senya Ichiya was in a josei magazine because it completely lacks the typical calling cards in yaoi, like mimicking the power dynamics of a hetero relationship and effeminate character designs. How did you find anything about mellow mellow magazine?
I did read that in the past couple years there's been more overlap between yaoi and bara than in previous years so that might explain why bara was in a josei mag.
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@BestBoy Published by Ohzora Shuppan, about 98% of their titles fall under josei, and a quick skim through mellow mellow specifically didn't turn up anything that didn't look like yaoi. As far as I can tell from reviews, that title has the art style of a bara work but the story beats are much closer to yaoi, and it's been picked up by Sublime in the west who tend to stick to yaoi as well.
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@BestBoy Thanks for all your comments honestly I took a break and browsed through ~3800 of the Yaoi so I"ve been doing that and unfortunately. Honestly while there have been some decent comments most of the rejection seem to come from a large section of people not understanding why Yaoi isnt intended for men in any way necessary. Though there is a small group that are just posting homophobic replies i am ignoring them.
Though its already been rejected I will try to mention that the issue is primarily for Yaoi and has it has already been explained to me the issue is not original to Yuri nor prevalent in it. For those of you that cannot seem to get the idea Yaoi is a specific genre and has a general theme it is not only target too women but the majority of yaoi is written for women in such a way that it makes a decent amount of men who like men slightly uncomfortable.
This is not true for all yaoi but for a large majority of it.
1st alot of the Ukes aren't written as men but as women and even for women they are hyper feminized and their roles the focus is almost solely on that.
2nd. The couples main purpose is that of a sexual or romantic nature and while people may be thinking I only want to read it for the sex I would love if I could sort something that had LGBT characters but didnt focus on sex.
3rd. Alot of the characters in Yaoi while supposedly being LGBT aren't really, theres alot of this concept where "im only gay for you" is popular or that being interested in the same sex in the manga is considered disgusting by the main characters and they don't actually get over this alot this is actually generally harmful to most men interested in the same sex.
There are more issues but i'll stop there.
For that one person telling me to go to a yuri site, the point brought up that yuri isn't nearly as for men as yaoi is for women was a good one. telling me or anyone to visit a site specifically for lgbt content instead of making a recommendation isnt cool. Mentioning the website 100% awesome but the way its being worded is that I shouldnt even be trying to make a suggestion for improvement.
I didn't see mangadexs anti LGBT banner/rule so I think its safe for me to make a suggestion.
thanks @MakeCake I agree.
As for others, I agree that making tags for LGBT oriented content would be too difficult a task as it would need to be handled by book publishers and readers as whole not this website. That being said Gei-Komi is a legitmate genre in japan while its western equivalent Bara was actually an insult reclaimed and turned into an insult again then adapted by western society as a genre that should be Gei-Komi.
Though its already been rejected I will try to mention that the issue is primarily for Yaoi and has it has already been explained to me the issue is not original to Yuri nor prevalent in it. For those of you that cannot seem to get the idea Yaoi is a specific genre and has a general theme it is not only target too women but the majority of yaoi is written for women in such a way that it makes a decent amount of men who like men slightly uncomfortable.
This is not true for all yaoi but for a large majority of it.
1st alot of the Ukes aren't written as men but as women and even for women they are hyper feminized and their roles the focus is almost solely on that.
2nd. The couples main purpose is that of a sexual or romantic nature and while people may be thinking I only want to read it for the sex I would love if I could sort something that had LGBT characters but didnt focus on sex.
3rd. Alot of the characters in Yaoi while supposedly being LGBT aren't really, theres alot of this concept where "im only gay for you" is popular or that being interested in the same sex in the manga is considered disgusting by the main characters and they don't actually get over this alot this is actually generally harmful to most men interested in the same sex.
There are more issues but i'll stop there.
For that one person telling me to go to a yuri site, the point brought up that yuri isn't nearly as for men as yaoi is for women was a good one. telling me or anyone to visit a site specifically for lgbt content instead of making a recommendation isnt cool. Mentioning the website 100% awesome but the way its being worded is that I shouldnt even be trying to make a suggestion for improvement.
I didn't see mangadexs anti LGBT banner/rule so I think its safe for me to make a suggestion.
thanks @MakeCake I agree.
As for others, I agree that making tags for LGBT oriented content would be too difficult a task as it would need to be handled by book publishers and readers as whole not this website. That being said Gei-Komi is a legitmate genre in japan while its western equivalent Bara was actually an insult reclaimed and turned into an insult again then adapted by western society as a genre that should be Gei-Komi.
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