Yeah, that's why I pointed out that no one's expecting that level of scrutiny. Maybe they should though, since again: we're talking about a for-profit company that certainly already does so, just not for us. My point is, this is not an unreasonable ask, when soliciting someone for money.
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You know, if their money trail is so hot that the feds would be interested, then getting involved (by donating) is asking for sooo much trouble, it only strengthens the case for full disclosure OR an immediate stop to even accepting them. As a simple weeb, I'd sure be pissed if sending a few bucks their way would get me that kind of attention, especially unknowingly.Hmm, for masking where the money goes.
It then cannot be easily traced or claimed by feds.
Maybe
When doing a donation to Mozilla, I have to enter all my information: name, address, telephone number and still pay my donation
KYD (know your donators) wouldn't be "ideal" for Mangadex
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You know how it goes, one day they're short in money, the next one they're doing business in a tax haven. I don't see any flaws in the reasoning.Now we're theorizing FBI-level of money laundering ?
Except MangaDex does not collect donations, because they're are not a non-profit. You are buying a service and getting specific benefits listed on https://mangadex.org/support-us. You won't be liable for what the website operators do with the money just like you are not liable for what YouTube does with its revenue.
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And where exactly does it say that you're buying a service? This is the classic kickstarter model of donations, which were already established in court (multiple times) that you're not buying anything there. That's why it's so effortless for those kinds of campaigns to just take the money and run.
By "hot trail" I meant that it would probably be linked to organized crime. If that were the case then the authorities wouldn't care if you're a customer or a co-conspirator, there's no amount of deniability that would keep you from being thoroughly investigated. Even if they didn't charge you in regard to MD's activities, who knows what said investigation would uncover, eh? That's ignoring the likely temporary incarceration. Fun times all around, you see.
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I don't aggree, that MangaDex is similar to Kickstarter. If anything it seems more similar to Patreon, where (part of) the money spent is basically a tip for services already rendered. Regardless, none of these provide customers with any right to know or control how revenue gets spent. If you want MangaDex to use something like the Open Collective you could make a suggestion in the appropriate forum, but that is not how they have ever operated.
The "organized crime" part gave me a good chuckle. That is literally not how that works. Customers are not liable for any random crime a business commits.
I think there are many people in this thread who are upset with MangaDex moving in a direction that they feel is a betrayal of prior promises. This is morally somewhat true, because "no ads" used to be a specific promise made and it is up to each individual if they accept the explanation given. But legally MangaDex is privately owned and the owner can do whatever they want. The community does not own any part of MangaDex.
The sort of protest in this thread is quite amusing, because many of the posters complaining are non-paying visitors who block the ads i.e. worthless to MangaDex as a business. If MangaDex is desperate for funding they are not gonna reverse course because of your complaints and if they really are greedy for that Opera GX money they are gonna ignore you even harder.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that MD is feeling the wall closing in. Somewhere along this thread it's apparent that the NC subscription is encountering problems, which tells me payment processors are going after NC. Up until this point, MD staff have been trying to finance the website using a legitimate front, so it's understandable that when it get hit, they're going to have to find an alternate way to receive support until they can resolve the issue on the NC side.
Patreon clearly says in it's terms that there's no such relationship between you and it. It assumes no responsibility for anything, least of all any obligations, financial or otherwise when it comes to providing you anything. Just like Kickstarter... and MD ironically. Of course, as I've already stated, whether this holds up in court is another matter. As far as they are convinced, you're not buying a service from them, you're being a sugar daddy and supporting someone without any expectations and that is what law enforcement will view it as.
How they operated in the past is irrelevant now - back then they didn't ask their users for money, so it was none of anyone's business how they financed the operation. This is precisely my gripe: there should be no need for "suggestions", they know what should have been done. They're a company, ffs.
No, but they may be found liable for aiding and abetting any number of criminal activities said business does with their support. Admittedly, it's not an easy thing to do, since intent needs to be proven. However, as I've already said - federal law enforcement can make life very difficult for you just by having the mandate to investigate this and you're giving it to them by getting involved. Oh, and before anyone quotes this, let me remind you that this is a hypothetical discussion in regard to the "hot trail" train of though - I'm not currently alleging MD is in cahoots with the mob, or something.
I never claimed differently. In fact, the ads while certainly another departure from the principles that built this user base in the first place, are a lot less shady than the donations/subscriptions/whatever-you-call-them. At least assuming they're legit, not a vehicle for malware and/or scams.
No one's protesting, dude. It would make about as much sense as drafting a petition and we all know those serve as TP for the executives. They are the ones reaching out with BS messages like "non-intrusive ads", so people respond accordingly. It's not like any kind of activism is needed here, the site is rapidly dying already, this will only accelerate it. I'm just being the "told ya" guy and reminding people that as predicted, the "new management" gives no fucks about this and intends to keep milking chumps until the lights go off.
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since you are so rich, why dont you donate to them to cover the costs or is being a leech that much fun?
Most of these people I imagine are young jobless adults who just spend their time whining in various forums all day about how unfair life is to them and how they deserve everything in this world for free.
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I'll just link this devpost from 2021 and disappear again (we've scaled up the network considerably in the last couple of years): https://mangadex.dev/mangadex-v5-infrastructure-overview/#some-limits
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Yeah but what about the "hot trail" from financing organized crime ?
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Typing in the same info gives me $144,042.31 as EC2 is now much cheaper apparently AND that is assuming you even need comparable amounts of storage, balancing, etc with that whole "removal of lots of content after the DMCA" thing a few months ago, if you possibly happen to remember that.
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FragPunk is now the new ad on desktop. The ad size is still massive. Congratulations on a new ad partner. Now about that Google ad network implementation mining and selling my information...
Still no ad partners on mobile so there is still a Dex-chan ad frame, bad loading times persist.
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Finally, now I can pass the torch to the next person. @athayanezant, you're up.
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