[Not a bug] New comment functionality does not replicate into forums

[kouyo]

Hi, the new social-style comment system and the legacy forum threads are separate systems. Syncing them isn't a trivial task, it would require developing a custom bridge between the two, which isn't something we can prioritize right now.

That said, we’re going to keep refining the new system based on community feedback. Please feel free to share any other ideas or suggestions over on our suggestions subforum.

 

[seekermoc]

Hi, the new social-style comment system and the legacy forum threads are separate systems. Syncing them isn't a trivial task, it would require developing a custom bridge between the two, which isn't something we can prioritize right now.

That said, we’re going to keep refining the new system based on community feedback. Please feel free to share any other ideas or suggestions over on our suggestions subforum.

Thanks for the response. I guess I just fail to understand why anyone would want a new style of comment system before there is a way to integrate into the existing comment system that everyone has been using for years. Especially when it now results in creating two completely different, parallel comments section for each chapter.

Or is the idea to get rid of legacy forum chapter threads altogether? And in that case, what will happen to the existing threads?

 

[seekermoc]

As already mentioned, the new comments and the old forum threads are completely separate systems. One is for the main site, while the other is for here at the forums.

You're right, looking at this again after getting some sleep it seems I was misunderstanding what you were saying regarding the separate systems. I still think it's a bug, in the sense that having two duplicate yet parallel threads for every chapter is stupid. But I get now that it's not a technical bug, but a bug with the now splintered user experience.

 

[olivetho]

I can't even react as confused to your comment, as I get nothing when I hover the like button, and when I click it, instead of the usually reaction, I instead get this:
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this usually happens in two cases:
1) you have javascript disabled (not likely)
2) a network change or something else prevented the site from loading all the way - loading the content but not the javascript. the effect is essentially the same as the first case.

assuming this happened out of nowhere, you're likely experiencing the second case - just refreshing the page should sort it out.

 

[kouyo]

I just fail to understand why anyone would want a new style of comment system before there is a way to integrate into the existing comment system that everyone has been using for years.

Since the forum software isn't something we have much control over, building our own comment system allows us to implement features much more easily without the technical hurdles of the current platform. You're completely free to dislike the change, but this shift is necessary for us, we simply can't develop at the pace we want on a system we don't own.

Or is the idea to get rid of legacy forum chapter threads altogether? And in that case, what will happen to the existing threads?

The forums remain vital for suggestions, support, and community discussions, so we aren't sunsetting them. In my personal opinion, I could see the new comment system eventually becoming the primary hub for chapter discussion, but we would make every effort to import "old" comments if that ever happens.

Please keep in mind that the current implementation is effectively a beta and it’s not feature-complete, and we appreciate the feedback as we iron out the kinks.

 

[olivetho]

but we would make every effort to import "old" comments if that ever happens.

how would that work with the apparent character limit? would new comments still be limited in that case?

 

[xSauriaNx]

In my personal opinion, I could see the new comment system eventually becoming the primary hub for chapter discussion, but we would make every effort to import "old" comments if that ever happens.

to which I could see it NEVER happening. It's far easier for you guys' vision to basically drop the forum and leave it buried somewhere and ignore it.

tbh, if anything, if you guys said you're implementing a "notes" update in chapter like what some old manga sites back then used (was it mangapark or something else) and heavily used in the booru sites, it would've been far more appreciable, preferrable, and overall, more useful since chapter notes are easy to add, hide if needed be, and accessed to know what scanlators might add as context to their scanlation.

 

[kouyo]

how would that work with the apparent character limit? would new comments still be limited in that case?

There's nothing concrete at the moment regarding the functionality of the new comment system, and I can't really comment on how it will develop. This is up to management to decide.

 

[kouyo]

to which I could see it NEVER happening. It's far easier for you guys' vision to basically drop the forum and leave it buried somewhere and ignore it.

Fair point, starting fresh is always easier than migrating years of legacy data. However, given that we’ve already successfully imported years of old comments from v3 into the current forums, we already have the blueprint for doing this. We value that history as much as the users do.

Ultimately, the current goal is coexistence, not replacement, we want to give you more updated ways to discuss chapters, not fewer.

 

[Hicleric]

I'm very curious about the design decision to force opening the chapter when leaving a comment in the new system. I'm assuming there was some internal discussion of the costs and benefits of this system, and while several of the former have been identified by the community I don't really see much of the latter. Any tidbits that could be shared?

 

[GipoScribantino]

Any tidbits that could be shared?

I would like to know too. Devs had put (ill-designed) restrictions to stop scrapers overloading the server, yet here we are forced to act like one just to see what people think.
Unless the idea behind the new system is that you leave a comment and never come back for the entirety of your lifetime.

 

[Renan_Walheim]

You people tought the chapter limit was to stop scrappers?
The new comment system puts it crystal clear who they want to filter out.

 

[kouyo]

I'm very curious about the design decision to force opening the chapter when leaving a comment in the new system.

We've had many requests to integrate comments directly into the reader for a more seamless experience, which is why it's currently set up this way.

Like I've said before, we’re going to keep refining the new system based on community feedback. Feel free to share your opinions/suggestions over our suggestions subforum.

 

[AnonymousContributor]

You people tought the chapter limit was to stop scrappers?
The new comment system puts it crystal clear who they want to filter out.

lets gen alpha short form watchers in that's what it does

 

[Hicleric]

We've had many requests to integrate comments directly into the reader for a more seamless experience, which is why it's currently set up this way.

That's fair, but it sounds like the request to include "see comments in the reader" became "see comments only in the reader". I don't see the new comments visible anywhere outside of the chapter like the feed or user profiles. Will this data eventually be accessible elsewhere?

 

[kouyo]

That's fair, but it sounds like the request to include "see comments in the reader" became "see comments only in the reader". I don't see the new comments visible anywhere outside of the chapter like the feed or user profiles. Will this data eventually be accessible elsewhere?

Because the new system is entirely API-driven, we aren't limited to just the reader. So it’s definitely doable to pull those comments elsewhere in the future. Unfortunately, I can't make any promises on when this will happen, but it's certainly possible from a technical standpoint.

 

[shinya78]

Because the new system is entirely API-driven, we aren't limited to just the reader. So it’s definitely doable to pull those comments elsewhere in the future. Unfortunately, I can't make any promises on when this will happen, but it's certainly possible from a technical standpoint.

Well, that's these two suggestions possibly getting their resolution in the hopefully foreseeable future.