Of Course, I'll Claim Palimony! - Vol. 3 Ch. 15
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🙄 These fools, my eyes have rolled so far I can see my brain.
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God I can’t wait for the next chapter
She’s going to ask to marry the prince saying it’s “true love” and get rejected. Then she asks the brother and one again is rejected. And (my favorite part) the king gets up and asks if Yulia will marry the prince and her father puts his hand over the kings mouth before he can finish (p.s. this does not stop him. This man is very determined to have Yulia as his daughter in law)
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🤩😍😍Finalllyyyyyyy 🤩
Thank you for the translations!
Thank you for the translations!
@llde @Firemorfox
I took all you said under consideration and did a thorough re-read of the manga to be sure that I know what's going on. Turns out: not quite.
The initial premise is that Curion has the marquis title, which allows Nogah to raise in status from count. Curion gets a monthly pension which allows for their lavish lives to continue. Nogah gets two benefits from the marquis title:
1. They have more business opportunity as they can be seen as more reliable/connected by their foreign trade partners. (Nogah primary business is actually foreign trade)
2. The derision from other nobility (who view Nogah as glorified merchants - not true nobles) should lessen - at least on surface level - as with the title they'd be untouchable by anyone below the marquis level.
It is hinted that Yulia's store ("and some other things") is roughly equal in value to all of Curion holdings. This is obvious utter bullshit, but we let it slide, since it is there only to set-up Marquis Curion to sign the palimony contract in the first place. So I see it as authorial shortcut similar in fashion to the fact that Yulia's involvement with the Curion subjects is mentioned in a throwaway line once and never appeared in the plot up until this point. This is fine, as it is marginal setup events and not the core nor the payoff.
So with that - the king has two papers to sign.
1. Engagement anullment. Straightforward, given that they're both shipping their son with Yulia and both parties want the anullment AND everything is ready to go.
2. Palimony. Now THAT is a whole different can of worms.
It is a can of worms ,because your notion of the king delivering justice here is WRONG.
1. Petty shit like a few hugs do not make infidelity.
2. Ultimately the contract is downright extortion and just unfair to the core. The actions of one family member destroy the family as a whole? And those actions being just adultery? BS.
3. The contract has its signing date. The recordings of infidelity have their date. Recordings coming before the palimony contract show that the Nogah family was aware of Ramor's breaking of it before the signing - thus they are proven to be acting with insider knowledge and in bad faith.
4. Noble society does not view justice the way we do - through the protagonist's eyes. They see a Marquis house being destroyed on a whim to benefit a mercantile-oriented County. That is EXTREMELY suspect and will immediately lead to nearly everyone questioning the actions of the king in this. The titles and wealth are all they have. If the king can take out any of those on a whim - that is cause for worry to the point of rebellion.
Upon re-read I noticed that the author actually is setting up the king's play as more than just giving in to Nogahs' scheming. There's the title drop which everyone here gushes over, but then there's the king's expression right after. He is sharp, focused, calculating - not at all the happy-go-lucky person who would just go along with Yulia's scheme, because plot-armor. The king is actually the 4th Nogah in the story. Not in name, but in spirit. Nogahs are playing checkers but the king seems to be playing chess. And I foresee him expecting PAYMENT for his involvement in this debacle with him also explaining in detail the shit that he's going to go through now. I do hope that the author will outline just how much more the king has actually invested in this - far more than just a signature - and that this outline will come as an "invoice for services performed, listed as follows".
In summary: it was premature of me to call this bullshit. I am eagerly awaiting further developments and hope that they will not amount to "I did this for you now you marry my son as payment". I hope... I wish... ... fuck it's going to be this way now, isn't it?... Fuck :/
I took all you said under consideration and did a thorough re-read of the manga to be sure that I know what's going on. Turns out: not quite.
The initial premise is that Curion has the marquis title, which allows Nogah to raise in status from count. Curion gets a monthly pension which allows for their lavish lives to continue. Nogah gets two benefits from the marquis title:
1. They have more business opportunity as they can be seen as more reliable/connected by their foreign trade partners. (Nogah primary business is actually foreign trade)
2. The derision from other nobility (who view Nogah as glorified merchants - not true nobles) should lessen - at least on surface level - as with the title they'd be untouchable by anyone below the marquis level.
It is hinted that Yulia's store ("and some other things") is roughly equal in value to all of Curion holdings. This is obvious utter bullshit, but we let it slide, since it is there only to set-up Marquis Curion to sign the palimony contract in the first place. So I see it as authorial shortcut similar in fashion to the fact that Yulia's involvement with the Curion subjects is mentioned in a throwaway line once and never appeared in the plot up until this point. This is fine, as it is marginal setup events and not the core nor the payoff.
So with that - the king has two papers to sign.
1. Engagement anullment. Straightforward, given that they're both shipping their son with Yulia and both parties want the anullment AND everything is ready to go.
2. Palimony. Now THAT is a whole different can of worms.
It is a can of worms ,because your notion of the king delivering justice here is WRONG.
1. Petty shit like a few hugs do not make infidelity.
2. Ultimately the contract is downright extortion and just unfair to the core. The actions of one family member destroy the family as a whole? And those actions being just adultery? BS.
3. The contract has its signing date. The recordings of infidelity have their date. Recordings coming before the palimony contract show that the Nogah family was aware of Ramor's breaking of it before the signing - thus they are proven to be acting with insider knowledge and in bad faith.
4. Noble society does not view justice the way we do - through the protagonist's eyes. They see a Marquis house being destroyed on a whim to benefit a mercantile-oriented County. That is EXTREMELY suspect and will immediately lead to nearly everyone questioning the actions of the king in this. The titles and wealth are all they have. If the king can take out any of those on a whim - that is cause for worry to the point of rebellion.
Upon re-read I noticed that the author actually is setting up the king's play as more than just giving in to Nogahs' scheming. There's the title drop which everyone here gushes over, but then there's the king's expression right after. He is sharp, focused, calculating - not at all the happy-go-lucky person who would just go along with Yulia's scheme, because plot-armor. The king is actually the 4th Nogah in the story. Not in name, but in spirit. Nogahs are playing checkers but the king seems to be playing chess. And I foresee him expecting PAYMENT for his involvement in this debacle with him also explaining in detail the shit that he's going to go through now. I do hope that the author will outline just how much more the king has actually invested in this - far more than just a signature - and that this outline will come as an "invoice for services performed, listed as follows".
In summary: it was premature of me to call this bullshit. I am eagerly awaiting further developments and hope that they will not amount to "I did this for you now you marry my son as payment". I hope... I wish... ... fuck it's going to be this way now, isn't it?... Fuck :/
@SGR
The second document isn't just for the compensation from the engament breakage and the fidelity clause. It's also for the false accusations and defamation, from the violence (documented with a lot of witnesses)
These society often doesn't have a proper stance on personal responsability. It happenend on the real world where noble house fallen completly from grace for the action of one.
(Albeit for way more serious crimes, not for petty things like this).
Take also in mind that the King clearly stated that he himself had doubt about the Curions work. And, as you say, he is certainly sharp, calculating and scheming, he probably took the chance to get rid of them. Albeit I think that is exaclty how you are saying, he will claim a compensation himself for this. The King and Queen may not be Nogah by blood, but are Nogah to the core de facto.
Then dunno, maybe the novel detail this sequence better, with more dialogues and details?
Also are you sure about them losing the title? They lost the home and the territory (along with the relevant assets), but their title isn't explictly mentioned (except pheraps in "They are not needed" phrase from the King). Unless losing the territory automatically downgrade them, but then the Nogah should have an upgrade, and it doesn't seem to happen.
So the family isn't dead.
However my main point was slightly different. If the King refused to sign the second document, after breaking the engagment, it would have been an injustice to the Nogahs. What I concede is that the King could step in and ask for a different settlement (using maybe the state or the royal family's money but this can cause another issue for the country at whole). Expecially after all the visual evidence they produced (yes producing this much of evidence is a clear signal that there is a scheme going on, but the evidence itself isn't forged/fake), is shown Yulia probably gained some supporters into the noble audience. Another possibility is for the king to outright refuse to break the engagment (possible only if the evidence isn't shown at all, or his reputation would suffer), but a compensation would be still required (for all the defamation etcetc), albeit inferior. Or yes the king can claim bullshit on the infidelity clause, linking to the date it's added, and make them settle with a reduced compensation. He cannot refuse to pay at all, not without suffering massive backlash.
P.S I disagree from the idea that the king is playing chess while Yulia checkers. I think both are playing chess, but Yulia a Petrosyan, while the king a Fisher or Carlsen. (The reference to Petrosyan is for his extremly solid playstyle, as Yulia and Co fortified themselves to blow the maximum damage while being well defenced, albeit there is still a risk that the entire fortress fall. (As sometimes happened againt Fisher himself))
The second document isn't just for the compensation from the engament breakage and the fidelity clause. It's also for the false accusations and defamation, from the violence (documented with a lot of witnesses)
I think that we agree on this one. However while hugs doesn't constitute an infidelity proof (but in the eyes of this kind of society certainly a blunder at best), starting defaming your fiancèe defending her certainly rise some bells. In noble society Infidelity can be overlooked, slandering someone reputation so publicly using clearly unsubsatial claim cannot.
I agree that is unfair, except isn't just for adultery. Ramon DEFAMED her, publicly and also did phsysical violence in one occasion.
These society often doesn't have a proper stance on personal responsability. It happenend on the real world where noble house fallen completly from grace for the action of one.
(Albeit for way more serious crimes, not for petty things like this).
While it's true that the memeber of noble society wouldn't have the same view on justice. The king doesn't just represent noble society but the country as whole. If the King wouldn't accept the Nogah could clearly use their foreign connections to lobby foreign merchants to interrupt the trade.
Take also in mind that the King clearly stated that he himself had doubt about the Curions work. And, as you say, he is certainly sharp, calculating and scheming, he probably took the chance to get rid of them. Albeit I think that is exaclty how you are saying, he will claim a compensation himself for this. The King and Queen may not be Nogah by blood, but are Nogah to the core de facto.
Then dunno, maybe the novel detail this sequence better, with more dialogues and details?
Also are you sure about them losing the title? They lost the home and the territory (along with the relevant assets), but their title isn't explictly mentioned (except pheraps in "They are not needed" phrase from the King). Unless losing the territory automatically downgrade them, but then the Nogah should have an upgrade, and it doesn't seem to happen.
So the family isn't dead.
However my main point was slightly different. If the King refused to sign the second document, after breaking the engagment, it would have been an injustice to the Nogahs. What I concede is that the King could step in and ask for a different settlement (using maybe the state or the royal family's money but this can cause another issue for the country at whole). Expecially after all the visual evidence they produced (yes producing this much of evidence is a clear signal that there is a scheme going on, but the evidence itself isn't forged/fake), is shown Yulia probably gained some supporters into the noble audience. Another possibility is for the king to outright refuse to break the engagment (possible only if the evidence isn't shown at all, or his reputation would suffer), but a compensation would be still required (for all the defamation etcetc), albeit inferior. Or yes the king can claim bullshit on the infidelity clause, linking to the date it's added, and make them settle with a reduced compensation. He cannot refuse to pay at all, not without suffering massive backlash.
P.S I disagree from the idea that the king is playing chess while Yulia checkers. I think both are playing chess, but Yulia a Petrosyan, while the king a Fisher or Carlsen. (The reference to Petrosyan is for his extremly solid playstyle, as Yulia and Co fortified themselves to blow the maximum damage while being well defenced, albeit there is still a risk that the entire fortress fall. (As sometimes happened againt Fisher himself))
I will be extremly disappointed
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@SGR @llde
I wish I had friends IRL like you two, people who are this interested in analyzing "niche weeb filth". That aside, the series does seem to mildly not take events too seriously. Taking the tone of the series into account (in my opinion it's too lighthearted compared to how much we're analyzing it), I'm very worried the conclusion will end up poorly. That aside, I guess it's time to read ahead in the novel to know how thorough the original material was. This might have a slightly lighter tone than the original novel, in which case we might see a better ending.
I'm just scared the ending is going to be resolved in a similar way to Ramon being an idiot and all the interesting schemes thrown out the window. In that kind of situation, it's going to be "oh, the King is actually completely on Yulia's side and ships them as much as the queen does for no reason at all, so let's just throw out the ENTIRE conflict out the window"
I wish I had friends IRL like you two, people who are this interested in analyzing "niche weeb filth". That aside, the series does seem to mildly not take events too seriously. Taking the tone of the series into account (in my opinion it's too lighthearted compared to how much we're analyzing it), I'm very worried the conclusion will end up poorly. That aside, I guess it's time to read ahead in the novel to know how thorough the original material was. This might have a slightly lighter tone than the original novel, in which case we might see a better ending.
I'm just scared the ending is going to be resolved in a similar way to Ramon being an idiot and all the interesting schemes thrown out the window. In that kind of situation, it's going to be "oh, the King is actually completely on Yulia's side and ships them as much as the queen does for no reason at all, so let's just throw out the ENTIRE conflict out the window"
DD thank you !
