“Okaeri, Papa” - Ch. 19 - Discord

[BuyVelomobiles]

Why does this manga attract the most insane people this place has to offer? I mean, they're posters so it's not a surprise that they're posting, but jesus

Who and what are you talking about?

 

[Itsn]

I know she'll never come up again but man, I still feel bad for that one girl who got completely obliterated that papa here won't even know about

 

[dragonlordadn]

Yes. These are the usual standards. He's failing to live up to them. The breakdown of moral standards is how we got to our current world. If he lived up to them, his life would be better. A lot of people's lives would be better.

Nope like I said, those are your standards not usual ones. He is as upstanding morally as he can be.

And I'm sure you can be an alcoholic and not beat your wife. Happens every day. Guess what most domestic violence situations have in common: Alcohol.

Lmao you're proving my point. Idk what was meant to be conveyed. What you're doing here is same as saying all alcohol drinkers are domestic abusers by looking at those specific cases and generalizing it.

Right. So, dumb.

Lol you can be not dumb and still lack experience and knowledge how to handle situations. They don't relate.

"Single mother" is the reason.... basic moral, and evolutionary, underpinnings of every single rule, like "Don't marry single mothers". It's time consuming, and, as we've seen, a shocking number of humans aren't actually capable of grasping the concepts logically in the first place. But they're more than capable of tearing it all down.

Like I said you first need to correct your standpoint. Marrying a single mother being a wrong decision by default is your prejudice. It is not a moral law.
When you realize this then you'll to your ironic shock realize why "a shocking number of humans" Don't conform to your moral standards and yet don't hesitate to tear down such prejudices.

If you think they needed to sit him down and explain, in scientific detail, every last problem with marrying someone who already has a child, there's no talking to you.

Same, the fact that you consider it morally wrong to marry a single mom and approach it from the start as a problem rather than different situation equally makes it no point.

I know it's been a while, and you're not actually interested in reading anything I post, but he outright knew there was a problem giving the baby to the girl. He knows she's sketchy, and this entire series has been him either shaking it off, or doubling down.

On the contrary now I feel like you haven't read the series. His only concern about her is her abnormal interest in him and nothing more or less. He never thought of her as sketchy or a problem. Go read again if you doubt me.

He doesn't, and the baby was his responsibility. To boot, he was specifically told by his sister she doesn't trust them.

And again here I repeat myself. Well in a way kid can understand too: Crying wolf at every shadow in the woods and then it being trivialized the one time it's true is actually normal.

High functioning retard

Idk who this is directed at, but come on at least gimme an answer instead of this if you're actually serious? Hey at least you can describe what you actually consider interesting since you seem to hate the main cast so much?

Brother, the entire arc has been the sister and mother realizing, pretty much immediately, that there's something deeply wrong with the two. Are you... reading this story? What do you think the conflict has been so far? Do all the faces, talks, and excuses to take the baby away from the girl just go over your head?

Hah like I said, just for one sec throw away that bias you have against the mother and daughter and just see their actions ignoring the faces. They have not done anything abnormal.
And no what we saw immediately was their bias against them, the wrong part only came afterwards.

Yeah. So add that to the problm at hand:
Sister: "I don't trust the bitch"
Bitch: "Can I have your sister's baby?"
MC: "But........ Nah, it'll be fine"
Moments later: It was not fine. Just as sister feared.

Again she's done this everytime. Something did go wrong but it was nothing that you can pin on his daughter.
Also lol your bias against her as 'bitch' is coming out.

So far, his opinions have put him in this situation. We don't have their entire lives to work off of, but from what we've seen, he really is just a high functioning retard, throwing a fit that nobody wants to let him be retarded.

Lol that's like saying an environment has no influence on a person. He isn't throwing a "a fit that nobody wants" but seriously reflecting on everything so far after being hurt by her words.
It's almost hilarious how you have a hate for even the most logical developments

It's a weird assumption to make, considering you know literally nothing about me. Stick to making personal observations.

This is based on observations. Throughout your replies on this thread you've basically been " I'm right, everyone else is wrong period " . Which can easily be dispelled by knowing more about various ppl. So the only reason it has not happened is either you lack such exposure to and getting opinions from other people or are surrounded by ppl with the same views who confirm it to each other.

Anyway imma stop replying here since we've come a full circle. Idk why you're reading if you hate the ML, FL and the wife so much. If you're hoping the story goes otherwise or anything such,give up now when it's already pretty early.

 

[dragonlordadn]

wrw, a recap:

• started with Miyako's health issues, awkward but nobody asked more questions (I would is important, because Miyako is family now).
• next after playing with Minato, Touko asks "Dad, Do you want to make a Baby?"I don't know if the Translation is correct, but my brain would make "Dad, Do you want to make a Baby with Mama/Miyako?". (maybe I'm not pervert enough, but Chika and Hiroto taking Touko words seriously.) We don't know how bad Miyako's health issues are, because nobody speaks about it
• now Chika thinks Touko is strange and could Blackmail MC. (why? they live together Touko had better chances weeks(?) ago, and Chika is now present but Ok Chika is irrational because it is her Bro)
• Chika makes the mistake, to google about Stepdaughters (strain++)
• Chika speaks with her Mother, about Hiroto's marriage standard worry's (too fast, Money, Children etc.).
• Chika talks about Touko strange sentence, her Mother is more awkward and is not paranoid like Chika.
• (before with Hiroto) Chika is alone with Touko Shopping, Touko asks about Chika's Pregnancy Chika is more once again paranoid and tense. (is Chika a loner? every Girls/Women asks about Pregnancy).
• Touko asks if she was Happy during Pregnancy, Chika's response "I think I was Happy". (feels more like a lie)
• Touko touched Chika's tummy and asks "What about Now? are you Happy?" (OK, this creepy. without the touch it would be a normal Question)
• Hiroto is back = classic interruption, he asks about the tense mood, but Chika said nothing (a family pattern, nobody says anything).
• Chika texts with her Mother how strange Miyako and Touko are (but again nobody speaks with Hiroto)
• after some Flashbacks, Chika tries to speak with Hiroto, but he ignores her warnings (because Chika was always against his Girlfriends).
• Hiroto tries to live his live (after he "sacrifice" for both)
• Chika tries to tell him her Problems, but Touko interrupt both (again Chika said nothing).
• Chika has a mental breakdown in her room, stalker/past affair etc. calls her non-stop. (Chika's past is interesting).
• at the Festival, Chika has a Brocon moment.
• Chika get a important "Part-Time Job" call, and left Minato with Hiroto and will soon return.
• Hiroto has problems with Minato, and Touko asks if she could hold him.
• Hiroto hesitates, but he trusts Chika's "soon".
• Hiroto watched Touko&Minato, but Miyako "distract" him (or he watched only Miyako).
• after a big announcement, Touko&Minato get lost in the fast big crowd (Hiroto's fault, Touko was behind him)
• Chika's important "Part-Time Job" call ended, at the same time, she was frustrated?
• Chika had a outburst (proper reaction),
• Touko forgot her Smartphone.
• Hiroto found both, Minato asleep.
• Chika frightened Minato with her panic-attack (common mistake, for new Parents).
• Chika is angry about Touko's "fake" apology and tears (this was dumb from Chika, frightened Teen tries to apologies).
• Chika has an outburs and physically attack Touko, Hiroto stopped her (was a slap, but still disgusting as adult).
• Hiroto tries de-escalation (shame, he suck at speaking and Touko/ Miyako have other plans).
• Miyako apologies for Touko as mother, Chika is still angry and sees them as strangers (is dumb, because their are Family but this Forum has disgusting User thinking Stepfamily, a single Mothers are useless etc.).
• Hiroto takes responsibility, and calls Chika insane (she is insane/restless, because her live is shit).
• Chika attack Hiroto childlessness (with Miyako's health issues, this was evil, and even as Sister unforgivable).
• Chika tries to apologize, but fireworks. (Part-Time Job for fireworks?).

Ok at the end only Chika tried to speak with Hiroto, but the Problem: the whole Family sucks at speaking.

Thanks THIS

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Ok see now this is a summary. As you can clearly see all her actions being wrong and the mother and sister hating on the family has much to do with her paranoia caused by her own issues. The wife and daughter's actions are completely normal if you just look at the dialogues and actions alone, if the mother and sis were in a normal state of mind without bias they would realize this too.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Nope like I said, those are your standards not usual ones.

The usual ones.

Lmao you're proving my point. Idk what was meant to be conveyed. What you're doing here is same as saying all alcohol drinkers are domestic abusers by looking at those specific cases and generalizing it.

I know English isn't your first language, but "Alcohol drinkers" aren't the same thing as ""Alcoholics." People that drink alcohol are people that drink alcohol. Alcoholics are people that are dealing with an addiction to alcohol.

Like I said you first need to correct your standpoint. Marrying a single mother being a wrong decision by default is your prejudice. It is not a moral law.

It's something to be discouraged.

When you realize this then you'll to your ironic shock realize why "a shocking number of humans" Don't conform to your moral standards and yet don't hesitate to tear down such prejudices.

I know why they don't. Not being held to moral standards feels good in the moment. In a world where Communists want to tear down everything that came before, morality is the easy one.

Same, the fact that you consider it morally wrong to marry a single mom and approach it from the start as a problem rather than different situation equally makes it no point.

What? Is there some other language we can speak in? I got Spanish and Japanese. And GPT seems to do a pretty good job with translations for all the others, so long as it's not some Asian language.

On the contrary now I feel like you haven't read the series. His only concern about her is her abnormal interest in him and nothing more or less. He never thought of her as sketchy or a problem. Go read again if you doubt me.

So what was that face he made in Chapter 11, Page 6? What, was she giving him a footjob under the table?

And again here I repeat myself. Well in a way kid can understand too: Crying wolf at every shadow in the woods and then it being trivialized the one time it's true is actually normal.

We only have this time to go off of. If the other times were like this, it sounds like the problem here is his choice in women.

Idk who this is directed at, but come on at least gimme an answer instead of this if you're actually serious?

I think you got two questions mixed up in your head there.

Hey at least you can describe what you actually consider interesting since you seem to hate the main cast so much?

The mystery. I'm a very curious person. Back in 2012, I was even studying to become a Molecular Biologist, with hopes of speccing into Biotech. Any kind of mystery is a hook for me.

Hah like I said, just for one sec throw away that bias you have against the mother and daughter and just see their actions ignoring the faces.

A) You seem to think I'm judging these fictional characters based on my observations about real people.
B) "Just ignore your lying eyes for a moment" isn't a great way to frame anything.
C) They're objectively creepy. Everyone finds them unsettling, and even after being welcomed with open arms into a new home, they quickly put off their hosts.

Again she's done this everytime

And the one time we've personally witnessed, we know she's more right than she can imagine. This sounds like a perfectly sensible Human being, who can accurately pick out subtle threats in her vicinity. And these two are being painted as masterminds.

He isn't throwing a "a fit that nobody wants" but seriously reflecting on everything so far after being hurt by her words.

"throwing a fit that nobody wants to let him be retarded." As in, he's making bad decisions, and he's crying that his family, instead of enabling him, is resisting. From the marriage to the single mother, to trusting the girl with the baby, this guy has made every bad decision he could manage.

This is based on observations.

If I knew what language you spoke, I could explain in detail why these aren't "Personal Observations".

Ok see now this is a summary. As you can clearly see all her actions being wrong and the mother and sister hating on the family has much to do with her paranoia caused by her own issues. The wife and daughter's actions are completely normal if you just look at the dialogues and actions alone, if the mother and sis were in a normal state of mind without bias they would realize this too.

Did you seriously ping me to try telling me how the mother and daughter, who are objectively creepy, manipulative masterminds in-universe, didn't behave abnormally, based on some other guy's summary?

 

[FloridaBoi]

I wonder what's the objective here

• Inheritance Scam?
• Ritualistic Murder?
• Plain Horny Yandere End?

The world may never know

 

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[nonexistent696969]

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[Weoooo]

Ok see now this is a summary. As you can clearly see all her actions being wrong and the mother and sister hating on the family has much to do with her paranoia caused by her own issues. The wife and daughter's actions are completely normal if you just look at the dialogues and actions alone, if the mother and sis were in a normal state of mind without bias they would realize this too.

That's a recap that just, like... ignores everything we know.

It's really simple: the stepdaughter getting lost in the crowd while holding a baby isn't something to get mad about. It's a child getting lost while holding a child. But since the sister is very suspicious of the pair for very good reasons, and under a lot of stress due to something that hasn't been fully revealed, she blew up, saying something terrible that she didn't fully think through.

This was a calculated move to distance the dude from his family, who had both reasonable and unreasonable concerns about the pair. It made him remember that his family seemed to disapprove of his choice at first, something we hadn't learned of until now. We know it was calculated because of the smiles the pair had after the sister said what she did, and from prior knowledge that the pair planned out the initial meeting between the husband/wife. They picked him from a list and manufactured an event so they could meet.

I don't know how this is a difficult conclusion to come to its like... its how things have worked the entire time people

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I don't know how this is a difficult conclusion to come to its like... its how things have worked the entire time people

I've concluded that a solid chunk of people commenting on a story have zero-to-negative reading comprehension. This isn't even the worst case I've seen- not by a long shot. I don't know if it's some inherent problem with them, or if they have some para-social attachment to the characters, but they'll ignore literal, explicit scenes and messages from even objective POV's in stories to reach insane conclusions.

The worst ones I've seen so far are

Spoiler: NSFW warning

the ItaiAmai readers, who seem to think MC didn't get NTR'd despite reading an entire chapter of NTR, and a commanding minority of Cheeky Gyaru readers who, despite the story, literally, and explicitly telling us FMC is a dirty slut, showing her in what can only be politely described as an "Animalistic Sex Trance Orgy" (among other things) in the fanbox, and the story outright confirming that the fanbox content is canon, and frequent... that the girl's a poor, unwilling victim, who has no interest in any of what she's done.

At least here the story just kind of (strongly) implies that they mean him harm.

 

[RegalSteel]

This manga is fucked up bro

 

[wallsg]

Why does this manga attract the most insane people this place has to offer? I mean, they're posters so it's not a surprise that they're posting, but jesus

Because this manga isn't just fluff and the topics being raised are pretty strong. Since people no longer know how to accept that other people can have different opinions the discussion devolves into endless arguments to "correct" that unacceptable differing opinion. If everyone were face to face they would either hold their tongue after the round of discussion or fist fight.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Because this manga isn't just fluff and the topics being raised are pretty strong. Since people no longer know how to accept that other people can have different opinions the discussion devolves into endless arguments to "correct" that unacceptable differing opinion. If everyone were face to face they would either hold their tongue after the round of discussion or fist fight.

In fairness, the disagreements are about pretty fundamental things. Some of these people are outright defending the psycho duo as though this entire manga isn't about them being established as objectively creepy, manipulative monsters. They also act like MC has been making perfectly sensible decisions this whole time, when literally his whole family is telling him what a bad decision all of this is.

And this all seems to stem from a warped moral perspective that distorts the way they analyze the facts of the story. The perspective also happens to be a fanatical, religious one, which leads to posts like

I think you should kill yourself tbh

from throwaway accounts.

 

[Weoooo]

Because this manga isn't just fluff and the topics being raised are pretty strong. Since people no longer know how to accept that other people can have different opinions the discussion devolves into endless arguments to "correct" that unacceptable differing opinion. If everyone were face to face they would either hold their tongue after the round of discussion or fist fight.

I think if people were face to face you wouldn't be hearing most of the things said. The internet has lowered the barrier for "absolute batshit things you should never say" to non-existence. It also helps that broken minds that can't function in society don't have to worry about function when they're online. They just have to be able to read and type.

Cause let's be just totally honest: this isn't some treatise on society. This is a horror manga built on the porny idea of "My STEPDAUGHTER seems like she wants to have SEX with ME?!?" It's well done because of solid art, good pacing, creepy characterization and a really good use of barriers between the reader's knowledge and the characters'. It's not making a point about single moms or childbirth or basically anything that these lunatics have been yelling about. They've dragged their issues into the comments and have caused a reaction of everyone going "no, wait, what the fuck are you saying dude"

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I think if people were face to face you wouldn't be hearing most of the things said.

Proceeds to say things he'd never actually say in public.

You might be too young to remember, but we did actually discuss these topics. And a fair bit more too! Obviously, there was a time and a place for them: we had private spaces and activities, like videogames, clubs, church, etc. But if we heard the neighbor was getting married to a single mother, everyone would, in fact, throw in their two cents like this. So when we hear a story, about a guy, who ignores his family's advice, and marries a single mother, then doubles down despite it all blowing up in his face repeatedly, people are going to discuss more than just the biggest, and most obvious issue of the step-daughter apparently trying to fuck him.

You know what we didn't do? Throw what seems to be an actual tantrum in a public space that people would dare to discuss matters of morality, common sense, and family. Like, the moment you start calling everyone "LUNATICS", you're liable to get shunned, or worse, beaten. Because this isn't the behavior of a civilized Human being: nobody would tolerate you picking fights like this.

If you get like this over a discussion about a story... on the discussion thread for the story... then I can only imagine you go into actual rage seizures when you find out there are entire channels dedicated to making essays about anime that don't strictly discuss the specific main conflict involved.

Like this one.

"NO, JESUS CHRIST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATTACK ON TITAN. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT HOW BIG MONSTER EAT LITTLE PEOPLE WITH NOM NOM!"

Do me a favor: Go out and call someone a Lunatic, then tell me how long it took that conversation to end after that.

 

[TentacleUser]

Honestly feeling he deserves a bad end at this point. Mid 30s is a weird time to start going "NO YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ME MOM". Like everything he remembered them saying this chapter was genuinely good advice, no matter how much it makes single mothers seethe. But he's holding on to some resentment over his childhood, which wasn't even bad, and literally crying that they just don't respect the supposed only decision he has ever made(yeah right).
Add that to the previous chapter of him somehow being unable to comprehend why his sister would be so furious over them losing her BABY and it just makes him unlikeable. At least the daughter is cute, hope we get some sexytimes before they fuck him over.

 

[phorx]

It’s hinted at a couple of times that the new wife’s health is somewhat frail. If that’s true, it’s quite unlikely that she could successfully carry a pregnancy to term even if she wanted to.

Maybe she has some trauma/history around that which has led to the mother/daughter duo’s current way of life?

I’m not justifying anything, just kinda grasping at straws to try and understand wtf is actually happening.

 

[RringeCetard]

Like, the moment you start calling everyone "LUNATICS", you're liable to get shunned, or worse, beaten. Because this isn't the behavior of a civilized Human being: nobody would tolerate you picking fights like this.

this is so fucking funny

 

[Teornado]

i hate them so much i actually cant read this these women are evil, and this dude stupid asl god wth i might drop this ngl

 

[EchoGirl]

It’s hinted at a couple of times that the new wife’s health is somewhat frail. If that’s true, it’s quite unlikely that she could successfully carry a pregnancy to term even if she wanted to.

Maybe she has some trauma/history around that which has led to the mother/daughter duo’s current way of life?

I’m not justifying anything, just kinda grasping at straws to try and understand wtf is actually happening.

given how young she seems wouldn't be surprised if she gave birth around the same age her daughter is now, if not 'barely legal' but i feel like there'd prolly be some kinda arrest/hospital record if a teen/minor gives birth or so

Someone did say she was trying to 'recreate' the dynamic with her own stepfather tho i imagine in a more positive way otherwise they'd look for 'crappy' men who'd abuse ppl versus someone falling in love