“Okaeri, Papa” - Ch. 23 - Escape

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Exactly. There is no excuse to cheat, because you can break up/separate first (and the dumbass reasoning of staying for your kids is AWFUL) but the REASONS to look elsewhere still exist either way, and people forget that when they just look at "wow you got cheated on you're the victim" even if they're super fucking awful people.

Japan still sees divorce as "taboo" and the mother is so old school. She kept wanting her son to find a woman instead of wishing for her own children's happiness. I think cheating is bad but let's remember this is a manga about a 16 year old girl who wants her step father's baby.

Do I think the sister should leave? Hell yeah. Her mother is toxic af and her brother won't listen to her anymore for reason. I think she is a blockhead . However, I do remember how society treats marriage in Japan
 
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She literally met the daughter once and she already traumatised the sister 🥲..

Also i guess she's cheating on the deadbeat father, if i interpret the last message?..

And her holding what she was holding was sketchy to say the least
 
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Damn, there's no good folks in this manga huh. I mean the dad is just very unlucky and his mom, unless shes been hanging with milkman here n there, she's fine. But yeah this is just depression central. Good stuff.

Thanks for the chapter.
 
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Everyone is fucked lmao. Every single one of them. Do they all have mental issues or something? Not one person is of clear mind lmao. Well, except the MC's mother. She's fine.
 
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So the step daughter didn't do anything, and yet the sister is ruining herself alone.
Good job!
Thanks for the chapter!
 
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So the sister is in an unhappy marriage; she's been having an affair, it seems; and there are suggestions that she is pregnant with her affair partner's child. Meanwhile, she's also trying to come to terms with her brother not being "hers" anymore.

If I squint, I can see an incest route. But the tone of the story tells me the sister is headed a bad way of her own making. Her brother is going to cut her out of his life (if he didn't do so already) because of the sister's wariness towards his wife and his stepdaughter. The sister's mom will react poorly to the affair and likely disown her in some manner. The friend won't help her, because the sister is likely pregnant (again) in the worst context (whereas the friend can't get pregnant).

The sister will have no one except her affair partner, who will likely kick her to the curb when the bill arrives.

It feels like everyone will be miserable in this manga except the wife and the stepdaughter.
Poor baby, kid did nothing wrong yet are being throw into a future with either a mentally unstable single mom, a deadbeat, outright useless father, a grandma who is old and might not be able to raise him, an uncle who most likely will be dead soon.
 
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Be real now; you make it sound like her cheating is the worst thing when she basically saw AND heard a teenage girl wanting to jump at her STEP-FATHER'S DICK who is her OWN BROTHER. No one IRL would justify her cheating. I am saying in plot wise, she has the least amount of issues and wrongful actions when she has an idea what is going on.

The sister has admitted she doesn't want her child to grow up without a father. Don't forget that Japan still sees divorce as "taboo"
We literally had people here in those threads several chapters that straight up wrote that marrying woman with a kid is wrong move and that MC's family was right in trying criticizing him for that choice. If sister divorced her husband, she would be in exact same position as MC's wife, and she could expect same treatment from any potential boyfriend and his family.

Which is why all those stupidly conservative mores against divorcing and remarrying are so harmful, because they actually result in more cheating as less socially dangerous (since it's easier to hide, especially if common enough in society to be treated discreetly by others) replacement for divorce.
 
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Everyone is fucked lmao. Every single one of them. Do they all have mental issues or something? Not one person is of clear mind lmao. Well, except the MC's mother. She's fine.
I mean, the more people around have their own issues, the more likely you are to develop your own issues, since you have less people to rely on and to get advice.
 
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Yup.... I would say it's awful to be a cheater but imagine you got a sister in law who has your whole family going against you, his step daughter wants to jump on his dick, your brother hates you, your friend says you're selfish when you can't tell her about your awful husband, and feel like you got no place you belong
You get a divorce then like an adult
 
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Yup.... I would say it's awful to be a cheater but imagine you got a sister in law who has your whole family going against you, his step daughter wants to jump on his dick, your brother hates you, your friend says you're selfish when you can't tell her about your awful husband, and feel like you got no place you belong
Her family isn't against her, only her brother and that's because she really did fuck up. We the audience know that the wife and step daughter are coocoo but that doesn't change the fact that the sister is "right for the wrong reasons". Even the friend talks about her possessive relationship with her brother.
 
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You get a divorce then like an adult

How ironic that you read manga when it's mainly based on Japanese culture without understanding how CONSERVATIVE Japanese culture is.... smh. My dude, I suggest you do research about how Japan sees divorce in their culture. It's no different than how other Asian cultures see it.

Even more ironic how you and others are so angry about her cheating when there are actual hints of incest along with the step daughter watching her parents have sex.

Her family isn't against her, only her brother and that's because she really did fuck up. We the audience know that the wife and step daughter are coocoo but that doesn't change the fact that the sister is "right for the wrong reasons". Even the friend talks about her possessive relationship with her brother.

I'm not denying she fucked up. I think she is stupid and wrong. However, I'm not changing the fact that she has a lot going on. As my favourite term of words "I understand but don't agree." It's so pitiful how this is a "psychology" manga despite the vocal comments have black and white thinking. After all, it's obvious she doesn't have the best communication. She tried to explain to her mother how creepy the mom and daughter are to only have it shrugged off.

I don't think she was possessive. She admitted in her thinking she is co-dependent on him. She relied on him to solve all of her problems. Now she doesn't have him and making her own decisions.
 
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I'm honestly surprised-

No, I'm not surprised. I can no longer say that.

We've got a textbook failed marriage here where the wife is starved for attention and is forced to do everything around the house as well as work(how do I know she's working? She's cheating with her manager). Of fucking course she's cheating on him, she can't be more obviously unhappy and the dude seems totally unaware of her obvious dissatisfaction. Should she divorce him? Yeah, obviously. But she also has his kid, and that's complicated to do, and shit man, I don't even know if Japan has no-fault divorce laws. "He sucks" may not count as a reason for divorce, and he'd have to file for infidelity. She says she wants the child to have a father and that's why she doesn't want a divorce, but she also hasn't realized yet that he doesn't in this marriage. She's been raising the kid all on her own, basically just living with someone providing child-support. Not a husband and father.

What's most interesting to me is a little bit of consistent characterization that shows a level of writing sophistication I didn't quite expect yet: she's got a habit of putting her foot in her mouth around unstable people. While she did literally nothing wrong in that interaction, honestly just trying to get her friend to see the upside of not having a kid yet, she accidentally stepped on the ONE landmine she shouldn't have: the idea that she's jealous of her. Because her friend is trying very very hard to have a child, but hasn't been able to. Since the sister isn't a gossip and honestly feels like she's too tight-lipped about her struggles for her own good, her friend has no idea that the reason she's always bringing her baby when they meet is because her husband is asleep and won't watch him. So to her friend, she's always parading around that SHE'S got a kid, and her friend can't help but feel like she's being made fun of.

This makes her feel like she's driving everyone who cares about her away. She's lonely already with her basically absent husband who sucks, but we've watched her accidentally step on the kid landmine twice and we have proof of her saying the thing she shouldn't have to her brother about his new wife, saying that a divorcee is too much trouble for him and that he should just go after a young girl at the office. A skillful bit of premature characterization there, too: a reader who remembers things will recall that when they see her own failed marriage. Why no divorce? Well, who'd want her after she divorced her husband?

Honestly, poor woman. I can only hope the manager isn't terrible, but I bet he is. What kind of asshole would fuckin' come inside a married woman having an affair, who was clearly turning to you because of emotional distress? Even if it got out of control and he ended up sleeping with her because of actual romantic tension and emotional intimacy, that's just ridiculous. It complicates everything.

I wish she was able to talk to her brother. She needs someone. He needs someone too, although I don't know who other than a reader would be able to figure out what the fuck he's trapped in. Even we don't actually know and after last chapter it seems like an occult ritual.
 
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